Initial test showed Kurt Busch was far below legal limit

Um, I'd heard that the tester was "not functioning correctly". and that "specifically" he was not being charged with driving while intoxicated. He was "specifically" in trouble for driving recklessly.
 
N2racin88 said:
So why the hell did this not come out until Monday night?!?!?:

Atlanta Journal Constitutional news link


This still does not make up for Kurt being a jerk but man this Sheriff's Department gets a big thumbs down in my book.
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Guess Kyle was right.."what is reported isn't always accurate""..this police department needs some looking into...... false information......
guess they wanted their 15 minutes of fame......
 
That was the second tester. As I said the above info did not come out until Monday evening.
 
Whatever his BAC, his belligerant mouthy attitude reflects poorly on the sport.
Just ask Tony what he has been thru and look at how much HIS attitude has changed for the better.
Besides, just because it was reported in a reputable newspaper, doesn't make it any more true or false.
 
dsdjtlts said:
this police department needs some looking into...... false information......
guess they wanted their 15 minutes of fame......
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Yeah, what are they thinking for stopping poor ole Kurt after he almost caused an accident and he ran from them. Get real.
 
fergy1370 said:
Yeah, what are they thinking for stopping poor ole Kurt after he almost caused an accident and he ran from them. Get real.
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I reread what I wrote...I did NOT say they shouldn't have stopped him....
 
kat2220 said:
Whatever his BAC, his belligerant mouthy attitude reflects poorly on the sport.
Just ask Tony what he has been thru and look at how much HIS attitude has changed for the better.
Besides, just because it was reported in a reputable newspaper, doesn't make it any more true or false.
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Agreed...what you read in the media is not always accurate...but folks sure jumped
all over Kurt and were more then willing to believe what they read without waiting for any further information....and yes his attitude sucks and reflects badly on the sport and his family....
 
Did anyone here watch WindTunnel Monday night? That police(?) department has a rather extensive history of grandstanding. I am not a Bush fan by any means but from what I have seen he's getting shafted. Yeah he got mouthy and he was speeding but I think what he got was too harsh or the "crimes."
 
From Last Lap:

brianh: I do not. I am probably the furthest from being a KB fan, and am sick he is replacing a classy legend like Rusty Wallace, but in this country we are innocent until proven guilty!!

That's how it's supposed to be, Brian Harmon, but the court of public opinion is often quick to judge -- including me. I assumed Busch had popped off to authorities and turned a bad situation into a worst-case scenario.

But later Sunday evening, my opinion changed dramatically while watching "Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain" on SPEED Channel.

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During the broadcast, a lady called in with information that she and her teenage sons, USAC midget racers in Phoenix for the Copper World Classic, were pulled over and detained for half-an-hour by a Maricopa County deputy.

According to her account, the deputy realized she was an attorney and began badgering her for her defense strategy. Eventually, she said, she looked at the officer and requested arrest or release.

There also are Web sites dedicated to the sensationalist tactics used by sheriff Joe Arpaio. According to the Web site, which cites a list of "Top-10 reasons to recall Joe," the No. 1 reason given is that "real law enforcement takes a backseat to publicity stunts."

No. 2, you ask? "He lives in a fantasy world of self-importance."

Interesting, to say the least ...
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The Sheriff is a well documented publicity hound. His antics get national press and the guy loves the attention. I've seen a few stories on him here in Houston on the local news. Most police departments would have deferred comment until all the facts were in. In this case, it seems that the "facts" were released as he (Joe) saw them. But the damage has already been done.

I'm not a big Kurt fan, but he's being unfariley railed on by the media and fans.
 
he was speeding about caused some wrecks and ran from the cops. Then he was an jerk to the officers and REFUSED to take the test, Now if i got pulled over in the state of KY and Refused to take the test i would auto be charged with a DUI. Im not sure what AZ has but they need to lookin in to something like this. Drinking and Driving is nothing to joke about, even if you just have one beer. I think NASCAR needs to step in like they did with Shane and make him really think about his actions.
 
I still don't agree, he still had some alcohol and was driving recklessly enough to get pulled over exiting a race. IMO driving with just 1 drink through traffic with people around in excess of the speed limit isn't very smart to say the least. I'm not letting him off this easy, i don't like the guy and given his track record i'd say he got off easy so far. Of course this is just my opinion, but if you go to some of the blogs on www. thatsracin.com you will read some interesting stuff on Kurt and the incident. I formed my opinion of the kid after the Spencer incident, so far he has done nothing to change that, only re-inforced the fact that i think he is an unappreciative, arrogant, classless punk. Ok got that off my chest, sorry for the rant, but people who act like this with talent like he has just really ticks me off.
 
Lap3Forever said:
he was speeding about caused some wrecks and ran from the cops. Then he was an jerk to the officers and REFUSED to take the test, Now if i got pulled over in the state of KY and Refused to take the test i would auto be charged with a DUI. Im not sure what AZ has but they need to lookin in to something like this. Drinking and Driving is nothing to joke about, even if you just have one beer. I think NASCAR needs to step in like they did with Shane and make him really think about his actions.
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And like they did Scott Wimmer who actually was drunk as heck, flipped a truck end over end and ran from the scene and hid at home under the bed??

I can't stand KB, he is an arrogant SOB, but he got tickets for his reckless driving and will have to appear in court for that.
He didn't refuse the BAC test, he refused the FST (which you can do demanding the BAC) The FST is walking on the line etc. etc. with NO scientific basis.
However. his blood alcohol was .017, less than 25% of the legal level yet you want him crucified??

Earlier this year Tony Stewart gat a reckless driving charge for driving his "Lambo" in excess of 100mph. How come no outrage there?
 
Our legal system sucks anyway, so how about this idea. Let the faceless people with made-up nick names on the internet issue the verdict. They know what really happened.

;)
 
Are you refering to me? My name is Jim and i'm not faceless, so if you have something stupid to say like your above post say it in a pm.
 
Eagle1 said:
And like they did Scott Wimmer who actually was drunk as heck, flipped a truck end over end and ran from the scene and hid at home under the bed??

I can't stand KB, he is an arrogant SOB, but he got tickets for his reckless driving and will have to appear in court for that.
He didn't refuse the BAC test, he refused the FST (which you can do demanding the BAC) The FST is walking on the line etc. etc. with NO scientific basis.
However. his blood alcohol was .017, less than 25% of the legal level yet you want him crucified??

Earlier this year Tony Stewart gat a reckless driving charge for driving his "Lambo" in excess of 100mph. How come no outrage there?
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Eagle gets the post of the year award if you ask me. This is the best summary on this entire subject by far.
 
KB has a track record just as bad as Stewart, Stewart got warned many times, he was also at risk of losing his ride and his sponsor. Home Depot warned him if he acted up 1 more time they wanted him out of the car during the championship season. Was there alcohol involved in Stewarts' Lambo incident? Was there a lot of traffic, with people walking and exiting a track area? Two very differnt scenarios, 2 very different personalities. If you want to argue that Tony is above the law fine, we aren't talking about him , we are talking about KB. Maybe he is totally innocent, but i doubt it. Until i see something reported on TV that KB got the shaft or read it from a reputable source contradicting everything i have read and seen in the last 3 days, then i might give him the benefit of doubt
 
Kurt Busch = Attitude.........negative, arrogant, belligerant, self important

VS

Law Enforcement......LAW

equals IDIOT

A local County Representative is now serving 90 days more because of his attitude after a traffic stop (YES, he was DUI) and claiming Immunity because of his "status", than the test resuts. IDIOT
 
Mopardh9 said:
KB has a track record just as bad as Stewart, Stewart got warned many times, he was also at risk of losing his ride and his sponsor. Home Depot warned him if he acted up 1 more time they wanted him out of the car during the championship season. Was there alcohol involved in Stewarts' Lambo incident? Was there a lot of traffic, with people walking and exiting a track area? Two very differnt scenarios, 2 very different personalities. If you want to argue that Tony is above the law fine, we aren't talking about him , we are talking about KB. Maybe he is totally innocent, but i doubt it. Until i see something reported on TV that KB got the shaft or read it from a reputable source contradicting everything i have read and seen in the last 3 days, then i might give him the benefit of doubt
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C'mon now, who said Tony was above the law? I was pointing out another case of motor vehicle moving violations. The FACT is, KB was cited for reckless driving, NOT DUI. Why is alcohol an issue in this case? KB took the BAC and it showed he had .017 BAL, that's less than 25% of the legally allowed limit, he was NOT drunk.
An interview with the sherriff printed in the Atlanta journel isn't a reputable source? Funny, the reputable sources you've been taking their word for it have changed the story several times and have printed false information according to the sherriff.
Chagolla said. "And it's important to note that never at any point did the sheriff's office say he was impaired."
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The only point I was making is that Scott Wimmer was indeed drunck driving, wrecked a vehicle, and ran away and what did NASCAR do to him??

Aside from being an arrogant little #rick, which we've all know for a few years now, but THAT is NOT a criminal offense.
The only thing KB is charged with is motor vehicle violations, pretty serious, but none the less that's what he's going to court for.
The only reason for bringing in Tony was because he also got a motor vehicle violation, and a pretty serious one too. Did he hurt anyone while speeding? I don't think so, but going over 100mph he certainly could have and very seriously.
Did KB hurt anyone with his speeding? NO he did not. Granted, same as the excessive speed in the other case it is extremely possible he could have. How do you KNOW there were people walking in the area he was stopped? The sherriff said it was 3 miles from the track and it has been said the truck race was just about to get over. Which is why KB was hurring, to get inrto the track before the traffic started coming out. No excuse granted but NO ONE has reported there were alot of people walking about in that area. The only place I've read that is in your post, so WHY is that an issue?

BUT coulda, woulda, shoulda don't count, KB has been cited and has to appear in court for reckless driving. He did NOT hurt anyone, and the BAC and sheriffs dept. proved he was NOT intoxicated and made a statement saying so.
 
This whole thing got blown out of proportion, because it's K.B. I live in Madison, wi. If you arn't doing 20 over the speed limit and weaving in and out of traffic, You are in the way. I am in the way alot. I go to chicago and Milwaukee both cities are the same, Hell I went to Yellowstone last summer, All the way there I felt like I was in the fricking way!!! Jack Rousch was pissed at him for leaving, so the canned him for the year to get back at him. Everyone has there own opinions tho.
 
The only reason i bring up the alcohol issue is because it is just that an issue, his sponsor was and now is a company that makes an alcholic beverage, so it is very pertinent to the situation. Maybe there were not people wandering around as he was exicting the track , either way the kid was wrong, something we have all established. I guess the way i really feel is: Busch should be made an example of, strip him of his top 10 finish in points this year , put him on probation for a couple of years, make him do community service time, then maybe he might smarten up. I'm tired of these guys getting off easy, happens all the time just because of who they are. I can see if this was KBs' first indiscretion, the first time he really _ _ _ _ _ _ up, but it is not. So throw the book at him!
 
Miller Brewing stands by Busch, Homestead doesn't
The ups and downs for Kurt Busch continue this week.

Roush Racing suspended Busch on Sunday, just hours before the start of the Checker Auto Parts 500 at PIR when they learned of Busch’s belligerence and abusiveness toward authorities and that alcohol was alleged to have been involved in the Friday traffic stop. Authorities pulled him over near PIR after witnessing him speeding, swerving to miss hitting a vehicle and running a stop sign.

Monday, Arizona authorities reported that the initial breath and physical tests given to Busch seemed to indicate that there was very little alcohol involved, the breath test registered a 0.017. In Arizona the limit for impairment is .08.

Tuesday Miller Brewing Co. said it would stick with the embattled Busch and sponsor him next season in the No. 2 Miller Lite Dodge for Penske Racing South.

"We’ve spoken with Kurt and we’re confident he truly understands the significance of his behavior, particularly regarding the fact we cannot and will not tolerate any behavior that demonstrates a lack of responsibility in the consumption of alcohol," Miller Brewing Co. officials said in a prepared statement to the New York Times. "We’re going to stand by Kurt, but we made it clear to him that we expect him to also stand by us by demonstrating behavior befitting a true champion."

Busch was to have been formally honored as the 2004 Nextel Cup champion on Tuesday at Homestead-Miami Speedway, but track officials canceled the ceremony that included raising his championship banner.

Roush Racing will again have Busch Series driver Kenny Wallace replace Busch in Sunday’s race. Wallace finished 16th, driving the No. 97 Ford, and earned himself another chance to drive the car this weekend in the season-ending Ford 400 at Homestead-Miami Speedway.

"We’ve asked Kenny to return for an encore performance. He did a really nice job in a car that was not set up for him and he didn’t have any practice in the car," Roush Racing president Geoff Smith said in a statement on Wallace’s official Web site. "We think Kenny deserves a chance with a car that is set up for him and with an entire weekend of work with the team."
 
Bucky Badger said:
oh god no.....
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Why not? he is in 11th points. so its ok for a guy to run less races and still get a top 10 and more money at the end of the year? The chase has to many down falls for me to be able to like it.
 
Bucky Badger said:
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Things got a bit racy over at Speed and I ain't talking about the kind that happens on the track. It got deleted. :(
 
Lap3Forever said:
Why not? he is in 11th points. so its ok for a guy to run less races and still get a top 10 and more money at the end of the year? The chase has to many down falls for me to be able to like it.
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what position do we put Kurt in?
 
Lap3Forever said:
where ever he would end up in the old system.
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there is no old system, only this system ;) Serously tho, thas never gonna happen to any one. Jack is pissed Kurt wanted to leave Rousch, this was his was of getting even. This whole thing got blown out of proportion. JMO.
 
If I as an employer have an employee who tells me to "kiss his Azz", then that person will soon be an ex-employee. What would you do.
 
Some comments from Knowyournascar readers:



from Bob S
Kurt Busch screwed up, and earned what he got.
The Roush organization saw an opportunity, cut their ties, and sent a message.
However, hypocrisy is running rampant.

I can count dozens of race drivers who have done far worse, some getting charged, many more covered up.I won't mention most names, but still I'm chuffed that cheap shot "journalists" compare thugs like Terrell Owens to Busch. It's like comparing cutting class to a violent prison break.
Get serious!
DW is in no position to be tut-tutting, but in his early days he misappropriated a new car from a dealer, ran from the police at high speeds, and turned it over in a girl friend's yard!
A whole bunch of race drivers have had DWIs negotiated down to allow them to keep competing. An Indy champ escalated a minor speeding ticket into an arrest by mouthing off and shoving a woman cop. A well loved NASCAR champ killed his political career by bump drafting a left lane blocker. I was with a top F1/Indy driver who got pulled over for running up the shoulder trying to get to Riverside on time. The highway patrolman greeted him with: "Who do you think you are, Mario Andretti?"
Which brings to point, as I mentioned previously when some Cal Speedway cops tried to arrest Robby Gordon in error, that while many cops will bend over to give a celeb a break, a lot of them will push the other way to gain their own noteriety. I can't help believe that there was testosterone and attitude flowing both ways at that Maricopa traffic stop. Too much quick backing away from wild charges for it all to be on the up and up. I applaud Sheriff Joe for his tough attitude, but he does love the limelight.
Nuff said, and we don't need any more posturing.

from Jack
Wondering what would the outcome had been if the Busch fiasco had occurred at a relatively earlier time in the season. It sure would have stirred up the musical chairs thing if the same decisions had been made. I just can't feel even a little bit sad about the decision to fire this egocentric, overbearing, inconsiderate jerk. To counter Kyle's comment, Kurt is definitely and underachiever when it comes to filling the role as CHAMPION. It also appears that maybe the two of them would not be so obnoxious if they had a few more head slaps while they were growing up. Unfortunately, I think they are just now starting to come out of adolescence.

BTW, the tactic taken by NASCAR to delay the choice for museum STINKS! In the 11/14 edition of the Orlando Sentinel on the OPINION page they say: "Certainly, Daytona, the birthplace of the world's premier motorsport, is where the museum belongs, - - -".
I thought it had all started in the Carolinas, GA and KY. Besides, they're using a play on words, i.e., Ormond Beach, Daytona's neighbor has forever been known as the 'Birthplace of Speed'. The museum belongs in Charlotte, no questions!

BTW #2: Where in the world did SPEED get those two high school kids on their Back Seat Drivers waste? Smarty Smith acts and looks like they just dragged him out from under the overpass. Holy smokes, don't they ever look at his appearance or watch or listen to his presentation? He's a mad man! NASCAR. COM should be ashamed also. Tonight 11/16 the two of them wasted 15 minutes ranting and screaming and hollering about Busch's 'speeding ticket.' No mention of the fact that he insulted and degraded the arresting officers and tried to elude them and DID smell of alky. Programs like this make me happy I have the music channel.
Smilin' Jack
 
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