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This is total BS how the media and NASCAR have tried to sweep this thing under the rug. Initially they said the fans were "not seriously injured". I guess as long as the broken jaw is not yours, then it's not serious. Surgery and a wired shut jaw, in my book, is serious. Me having to suck blended baby food and juice through a straw for a few weeks is serious...

Fans injured in Edwards wreck UPDATE 2: Seven spectators suffered injuries at the end of the Aaron's 499 Sunday when the #99 Ford of Carl Edwards went airborne and slammed into the catchfence on the frontstretch. "None of the injuries are dangerous or life-threatening," said Dr. Bobby Lewis, medical director at Talladega Superspeedway. "It's mostly bumps and bruises with possible minor fractures." Two women were airlifted to an area hospital, but Lewis said that was for traffic concerns and not because of the severity of their injuries. "One has a lacerated lip and possible broken jaw," Lewis said. "The other person was not injured, but has unrelated medical problems." When the car hit the catchfence, pieces exploded off the car as catch fencing bent back severely, but did not break. "I'm not sure if it was pieces of car or pieces of debris from the fence that hurt the spectators," Lewis said.(ESPN)(4-26-2009)
UPDATE on fan: A woman who was injured during a wreck at Talladega Superspeedway is listed in fair condition at UAB Hospital. Another woman who was taken to Brookwood Hospital in Birmingham for treatment of a medical condition after the wreck was discharged Sunday night. Her name was not released. A spokesman for UAB Hospital said the fan still being treated, Blake Bobbitt, was in fair condition Monday afternoon. Seven fans sustained minor injuries caused by flying debris Sunday when Carl Edwards' car went into the safety fence on the final lap of the Aaron's 499 at Talladega Superspeedway. The other injured fans received treatment at the track and did not have to go to a hospital.(ESPN/AP)(4-27-2009)
UPDATE 2: A teenager from the Shoals area was among the spectators injured in a crash at the Talladega Super Speedway. Blake Bobbitt, 17, of Rogersville, was one of seven NASCAR fans injured when Carl Edwards' car went into the safety fence on the final lap of the Aaron's 499 at Talladega on Sunday. WHNT News 19 spoke exclusively with Bobbitt's father, whose grateful that his daughter is still alive. Terry Bobbitt owns the Minnow Bucket convenience store in Rogersville. He works long hours and does not get many days off. He saw Sunday as the perfect opportunity to take a break, have a good time and escort his teenage daughter to Talladega. "It was her first trip," says Bobbitt. Bobbitt and his daughter, Blake, landed seats on the second row. It was an exciting race. However, as it neared the end, the fun came to a crashing halt. "Basically, it was headed to us," says Bobbitt. Carl Edwards' race car flipped into another car and slammed into the metal safety fence - only a few feet from stunned and scared spectators. Metal debris flew everywhere. Terry and Blake took cover, but it wasn't quick enough. "When it actually happened, I turned and I pointed to her to make sure she saw the car that was coming in the air," says Bobbitt. "All in that same motion, I grabbed her and it took her down. I didn't know she'd been hit at all until we got up." A piece of metal broke Blake's jaw. Emergency responders rushed her to UAB Hospital. Doctors performed reconstructive surgery and had to insert two plates into her jaw. As a result, her mouth will be wired shut for the next six weeks. Blake Bobbitt attends Lauderdale County High School. Her 18th birthday and graduation are both within the next month. Her parents say it's bad timing, but still a big blessing. Terry says it's a miracle that Blake wasn't hurt worse. "She's alive. I'm alive," says Bobbitt. "That's the main thing. We had a guardian angel over us, no doubt." Terry Bobbitt and his wife both say that the community has been extremely supportive. Beyond that, Carl Edwards even called the hospital to check on Blake after the surgery. Terry says they're expecting doctors to release Blake from the hospital on Wednesday.(whnt.com)(4-29-2009)
 
Ive been hit by rocks at dirt tracks. I one hit a girl and busted her knee cap and a racer i know one hit his finger and broke it. I hate to say its part of it. but there are signs at race tracks, even where the fans are that say things like this can happan. I think it sucks for the people that got hurt but its not NASCAR nor the tracks falght.
 
I'm not really understanding this outrage today 4 days later and lord only knows how may threads, several discussing the injured fans.
Almost from the very first report they were saying that a woman had suffered a broken jaw, so I sure don't understand this post appearing to claim NASCAR and the media are guilty of a big cover up. :confused:
It was even discussed in another thread about the cost and possible lawsuit, plastic surgery because of the scaring on a womans face.

I reread what you posted and what I got them saying was that no one was in danger of dying from their injuries, not that they were trying to diminish the seriousness of what did happen.:confused:
 
They have also been talking about it on the SIRIUS/XM NASCAR channel all week. That's would be a lousy way for NASCAR to sweep it under the rug. Same goes for CNN. I followed a link to a interview on CNN with Carl Edwards. He mentioned it and also said that he had contacted her.
 
What I'm saying is why do they claim that the injuries are "not serious". A broken jaw requiring being wired shut, to me, is serious.
 
Because they want it to go away as quickly and quietly as possible. As I said in a previous thread it's better to kill a old man than scar a young woman's face. Na$car is going to be digging deep, real deep, into their pockets.
 
What I'm saying is why do they claim that the injuries are "not serious". A broken jaw requiring being wired shut, to me, is serious.


When it first happened, the injuries were reported as not serious --- most probably because they did NOT KNOW what those injuries were.

It is very likely that the broken jaw was not discovered until the woman was transported to the hospital.
 
When it first happened, the injuries were reported as not serious --- most probably because they did NOT KNOW what those injuries were.

It is very likely that the broken jaw was not discovered until the woman was transported to the hospital.

I agree, and it may also have been out of respect to the family's privacy, which would have been the right call.
 
Nascar is going to get the living caca sued out of them, and will be forced to settle out of court, or have it's reputation damaged more than it already is. They want to downplay this as much as possible. Both Nascar and Talladega are going to be out some major cash after this is all settled.
 
Hippa Petty Blue, no one can release detailed info without the patients or guardians permissiion. That's how it was several years ago, it might have changed since but I doubt it.
 
This is total BS how the media and NASCAR have tried to sweep this thing under the rug. Initially they said the fans were "not seriously injured". I guess as long as the broken jaw is not yours, then it's not serious. Surgery and a wired shut jaw, in my book, is serious. Me having to suck blended baby food and juice through a straw for a few weeks is serious...

Fans injured in Edwards wreck UPDATE 2: Seven spectators suffered injuries at the end of the Aaron's 499 Sunday when the #99 Ford of Carl Edwards went airborne and slammed into the catchfence on the frontstretch. "None of the injuries are dangerous or life-threatening," said Dr. Bobby Lewis, medical director at Talladega Superspeedway. "It's mostly bumps and bruises with possible minor fractures." Two women were airlifted to an area hospital, but Lewis said that was for traffic concerns and not because of the severity of their injuries. "One has a lacerated lip and possible broken jaw," Lewis said. "The other person was not injured, but has unrelated medical problems." When the car hit the catchfence, pieces exploded off the car as catch fencing bent back severely, but did not break. "I'm not sure if it was pieces of car or pieces of debris from the fence that hurt the spectators," Lewis said.(ESPN)(4-26-2009)
UPDATE on fan: A woman who was injured during a wreck at Talladega Superspeedway is listed in fair condition at UAB Hospital. Another woman who was taken to Brookwood Hospital in Birmingham for treatment of a medical condition after the wreck was discharged Sunday night. Her name was not released. A spokesman for UAB Hospital said the fan still being treated, Blake Bobbitt, was in fair condition Monday afternoon. Seven fans sustained minor injuries caused by flying debris Sunday when Carl Edwards' car went into the safety fence on the final lap of the Aaron's 499 at Talladega Superspeedway. The other injured fans received treatment at the track and did not have to go to a hospital.(ESPN/AP)(4-27-2009)
UPDATE 2: A teenager from the Shoals area was among the spectators injured in a crash at the Talladega Super Speedway. Blake Bobbitt, 17, of Rogersville, was one of seven NASCAR fans injured when Carl Edwards' car went into the safety fence on the final lap of the Aaron's 499 at Talladega on Sunday. WHNT News 19 spoke exclusively with Bobbitt's father, whose grateful that his daughter is still alive. Terry Bobbitt owns the Minnow Bucket convenience store in Rogersville. He works long hours and does not get many days off. He saw Sunday as the perfect opportunity to take a break, have a good time and escort his teenage daughter to Talladega. "It was her first trip," says Bobbitt. Bobbitt and his daughter, Blake, landed seats on the second row. It was an exciting race. However, as it neared the end, the fun came to a crashing halt. "Basically, it was headed to us," says Bobbitt. Carl Edwards' race car flipped into another car and slammed into the metal safety fence - only a few feet from stunned and scared spectators. Metal debris flew everywhere. Terry and Blake took cover, but it wasn't quick enough. "When it actually happened, I turned and I pointed to her to make sure she saw the car that was coming in the air," says Bobbitt. "All in that same motion, I grabbed her and it took her down. I didn't know she'd been hit at all until we got up." A piece of metal broke Blake's jaw. Emergency responders rushed her to UAB Hospital. Doctors performed reconstructive surgery and had to insert two plates into her jaw. As a result, her mouth will be wired shut for the next six weeks. Blake Bobbitt attends Lauderdale County High School. Her 18th birthday and graduation are both within the next month. Her parents say it's bad timing, but still a big blessing. Terry says it's a miracle that Blake wasn't hurt worse. "She's alive. I'm alive," says Bobbitt. "That's the main thing. We had a guardian angel over us, no doubt." Terry Bobbitt and his wife both say that the community has been extremely supportive. Beyond that, Carl Edwards even called the hospital to check on Blake after the surgery. Terry says they're expecting doctors to release Blake from the hospital on Wednesday.(whnt.com)(4-29-2009)

Injured fans! :eek:

What about the injured gopher over here? :(
 
Injured fans! :eek:

What about the injured gopher over here? :(

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What I'm saying is why do they claim that the injuries are "not serious". A broken jaw requiring being wired shut, to me, is serious.

You still lose me.
You watch the same local news as I do probably and even in their reporting they use the words "Serious injurys" to imply very serious injuries that are life threatening. And "critical condition" for injuries NOT expected to pull through.

From the very beginning they have reported (first) suspected broken bones, (second) shortly after, possible broken jaw, but by the time they went off air for the night as we got updates during Victory Lane and Wind Tunnel they were ALL reporting that a woman had a broken jaw.
Nobody was hiding a thing or trying to misrepresent anything.


What's next, are you going to complain how they cut their meat?

There's been some pretty petty complaints posted here this week, but I think this one takes it.
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Y'know ... if you went to an Elvis concert, you could expect to be on the receiving end of a stinky sweaty towel. Attend an evangelist, and you'd look to be getting smacked on the forehead. Go to an Ozzy concert ... bat's blood. Why are people freaking out that front row spectators at a 200 mph race took bruises from flying debris. Hell, if it wasn't for the blood sucking lawyers lining up, half of them would probably be showing off the injury at work the next day like a trophy.
 
Y'know ... if you went to an Elvis concert, you could expect to be on the receiving end of a stinky sweaty towel. Attend an evangelist, and you'd look to be getting smacked on the forehead. Go to an Ozzy concert ... bat's blood. Why are people freaking out that front row spectators at a 200 mph race took bruises from flying debris. Hell, if it wasn't for the blood sucking lawyers lining up, half of them would probably be showing off the injury at work the next day like a trophy.

Depends on the degree of injury doesn't it? When a car went into the stands at Stafford Speedway back in 1986, I was there with my dad, they red flagged that race. Oner person died as a result, there were other injuries too. The severity of the incident at that race changed the rules for the cars, this being the modifieds at that time in 1986. Here at Dega , Edwards car coming oh so close to ripping through the fence and being deposited in the stands will bring a change to Dega and to Daytona most likely. To what degree, at this point, that is only a guess. IMO if I were one of those fans on Sunday, I'd wouldn't be gloating about my injuries, I'd be thinking maybe I got pretty lucky that I can go to another race some day. While it is true there is more of a risk sitting close to the track, most if not all fans consider this a safe place to sit. They put their trust in the track and Nascar that nothing will happen. Call it a freak incident, but it happened in the past with Bobby Allison in the late 80s at Dega when there were no plates, and now it has happended with the restricted IROQ cars we call Nascar today. So, clearly nascar has not solved the problem. That is the bottom line and until the problem is addressed properly Nascar will have this hanging over their heads.
 
Nascar is going to get the living caca sued out of them, and will be forced to settle out of court, or have it's reputation damaged more than it already is. They want to downplay this as much as possible. Both Nascar and Talladega are going to be out some major cash after this is all settled.

See if Nascar was smart they'd offer her lifetime front row seats at Talledega not to sue...
 
There are varying degrees of "injuries" and different medical terms that are used to describe these injuries. Normally, any injury involving a fracture is listed as a "serious" injury. This was adopted because lawyers want to get as much money in their lawsuits as possible. They recently came up with a new term: "Critical, but not life threatening". The worse they can make it sound, the more they collect. Basically a "Critical but not life threatening" injury is what once was considered a "serious" injury. This is just another money grab.
 
So, it was lawyers and not medical doctors that adopted the terminology to describe the extent of injury and/or condition.:sarcasm:

I honestly did not know that. You'd think they'd teach that in med school wouldn't you?

It's all a money grab you say. Really? Well I'll be.:sarcasm:
 
There are varying degrees of "injuries" and different medical terms that are used to describe these injuries. Normally, any injury involving a fracture is listed as a "serious" injury. This was adopted because lawyers want to get as much money in their lawsuits as possible. They recently came up with a new term: "Critical, but not life threatening". The worse they can make it sound, the more they collect. Basically a "Critical but not life threatening" injury is what once was considered a "serious" injury. This is just another money grab.

BD you are a tad wet behind the years on this statement. No one ever died of a broken bone. The associated injuries incurred during a fractured bone however can cause a death. A broken pelvis or femur can cause a person to lose up to two pints of blood because of the large vascular network within those and close to those structures.

I have never seen a person with a broken jaw listed as serious or critical and I have worked as a paramedic for thirty years.

On a side note, I have gone faster than most cup drivers, in a Dauphine!:D
 
BD you are a tad wet behind the years on this statement. No one ever died of a broken bone. The associated injuries incurred during a fractured bone however can cause a death. A broken pelvis or femur can cause a person to lose up to two pints of blood because of the large vascular network within those and close to those structures.

I have never seen a person with a broken jaw listed as serious or critical and I have worked as a paramedic for thirty years.

On a side note, I have gone faster than most cup drivers, in a Dauphine!:D

My daughter was. They flew her to UT in Knoxville, Tn by Lifestar helicopter.
We was in PICU for over a week. She had her mouth wired shut. We had to wear scissors attached to a ribbon around our neck until the wires were taken off.

Her injuries also included the joint and socket were pressed up to the skull. They missed that at first.
 
Back to the issue at hand...my question to y'all, did the safety measures work? I say they did. Yes, seven or eight people in the stands got hurt, a couple of them serious enough to be taken to the hospital, but none had life threatening injuries. Also, am I the only person who was amazed at what the driver of the car that was hurled into the fence did when his car came to rest, i.e. hop out of the car and trot to the start/finish line. If this isn't a testiment as to the safety of not only the cars, but to the spectators as well, then I'm in the loony barn. Maybe I'm just an old fogey on this, but I remember many times when a car went airborne and into the stands and people killed, not to mention the driver of the car. Just think about this, this week in the Netherlands, a nut drove his car through police barriers, into a crowd of people while trying to do what he could to smash into the queen and her family, all the while killing seven people. If that guy had a restictor plate and there had been a catch fense with safer barriers, would anyone had died? The point is, there will be no doubt studies done to see what could have been done to prevent any injuries, but will it change anything? NASCAR as any other intity, won't use knee jerk reactions for any changes. If there are any that will be made, they certainly will make them, but it will take time before any, if there are any, changes made.
 
Back to the issue at hand...my question to y'all, did the safety measures work? I say they did. Yes, seven or eight people in the stands got hurt, a couple of them serious enough to be taken to the hospital, but none had life threatening injuries. Also, am I the only person who was amazed at what the driver of the car that was hurled into the fence did when his car came to rest, i.e. hop out of the car and trot to the start/finish line. If this isn't a testiment as to the safety of not only the cars, but to the spectators as well, then I'm in the loony barn. Maybe I'm just an old fogey on this, but I remember many times when a car went airborne and into the stands and people killed, not to mention the driver of the car. Just think about this, this week in the Netherlands, a nut drove his car through police barriers, into a crowd of people while trying to do what he could to smash into the queen and her family, all the while killing seven people. If that guy had a restictor plate and there had been a catch fense with safer barriers, would anyone had died? The point is, there will be no doubt studies done to see what could have been done to prevent any injuries, but will it change anything? NASCAR as any other intity, won't use knee jerk reactions for any changes. If there are any that will be made, they certainly will make them, but it will take time before any, if there are any, changes made.

great post Buck. :beerbang:
 
There are varying degrees of "injuries" and different medical terms that are used to describe these injuries. Normally, any injury involving a fracture is listed as a "serious" injury. This was adopted because lawyers want to get as much money in their lawsuits as possible. They recently came up with a new term: "Critical, but not life threatening". The worse they can make it sound, the more they collect. Basically a "Critical but not life threatening" injury is what once was considered a "serious" injury. This is just another money grab.

And now you're a medical expert.:sarcasm: This medical professional has some significant doubts
 
BD you are a tad wet behind the years on this statement. No one ever died of a broken bone. The associated injuries incurred during a fractured bone however can cause a death. A broken pelvis or femur can cause a person to lose up to two pints of blood because of the large vascular network within those and close to those structures.

I have never seen a person with a broken jaw listed as serious or critical and I have worked as a paramedic for thirty years.

On a side note, I have gone faster than most cup drivers, in a Dauphine!:D

Then you have never been to, or worked in California. I have no idea where you work, but it is not in this state. I worked for a law enforcement agency in California for many years, and I am well aware of the terminology used to describe injuries in this state.
 
Holy Krap, a fast race car driver, an expert in injuries and medical terms and now has worked for a law enforcement agency too. You sure are special bd.:sarcasm:

Come next December I'd like to introduce you to my Christmas goose, seems you two have a lot in common.

<edit> I just saw you're an expert in advertising too, your Mom must be proud. :)
 
Back to the issue at hand...my question to y'all, did the safety measures work? I say they did. Yes, seven or eight people in the stands got hurt, a couple of them serious enough to be taken to the hospital, but none had life threatening injuries. Also, am I the only person who was amazed at what the driver of the car that was hurled into the fence did when his car came to rest, i.e. hop out of the car and trot to the start/finish line. If this isn't a testiment as to the safety of not only the cars, but to the spectators as well, then I'm in the loony barn. Maybe I'm just an old fogey on this, but I remember many times when a car went airborne and into the stands and people killed, not to mention the driver of the car. Just think about this, this week in the Netherlands, a nut drove his car through police barriers, into a crowd of people while trying to do what he could to smash into the queen and her family, all the while killing seven people. If that guy had a restictor plate and there had been a catch fense with safer barriers, would anyone had died? The point is, there will be no doubt studies done to see what could have been done to prevent any injuries, but will it change anything? NASCAR as any other intity, won't use knee jerk reactions for any changes. If there are any that will be made, they certainly will make them, but it will take time before any, if there are any, changes made.

And now it comes out that the girl who suffered a broken jaw was not due to debris from the car but an ill placed elbow as people scrambled to get out of the way.

I suppose if they ever get the technology down the cars could be holograms going around the track while the drivers are safely ensconced in a Barcalounger with the controls firmly in their laps. That way we will have a safe sport, a very safe sport. Maybe we also need the tracks to put in people movers to get the fans to their seats. I'd surely hate for some of you to stump a toe...
 
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