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dragonlady424

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I just got our tickets for June 26th and Turkey Night
in November today!!!!!!!

Look out, De_W2 and Cutiepie and W.O.P., We're
Goin racin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YaaaaaaaaaaaaHooooooooooooooo!!!!!!! LOL
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Right on... i will be going to Turkey Night, but I will be in the middle of the track shooting the race.

Not sure when I will be going there again.. Maybe next weekend for photos.. not sure.. I will let you know
 
the dillema...do i let irwindale's association with nascare interfere with my desire to go to turkey night?
 
Uh, first of all, it's NASCAR, not nascare. Second, are you really against NASCAR?
 
Originally posted by racefan against nascare@Jun 16 2004, 05:54 PM
the dillema...do i let irwindale's association with nascare interfere with my desire to go to turkey night?
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Hell NO!!
 
TRL, we will, we will!!!!! LOL And thank you!!!
You c an come and stay at my house anytime and go with us!!!!!
You know you would be more than welcome!!

The gal that is one of the top table servers at Cedar Creek Inn
Restaurant and her finance will be there both nights too.
Sure hope IF can make it with us!!!!
 
Originally posted by racefan against nascare@Jun 16 2004, 05:54 PM
the dillema...do i let irwindale's association with nascare interfere with my desire to go to turkey night?
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H*** NO!!! LOL :XXROFL:




Dragonlady, you mean Joannie? Does IF live out there?
 
3 wide...i don't mean to offend you. yes, right now i am against nascar. the "e" i put at the end is for entertainment, as in when brian france stated nascar was an entertainment company...nascare is short for national association of stock car automobile racing entertainment.

i am a long time fan of stock car racing, and continue to be one, but i am fully against nascare's recent changes. i am not talking about rule changes, i am not against rules that are changed out of necessity.

i was already getting aggitated with nascare before brian took over (long story), but when he stated that the best driver over the course of the entire season would not be guaranteed the championship so that nascare would get more media attention and better ratings during the football season, followed by the statement that nascar is an entertainment company, it signalled a shift in the philosophy of nascare (at least in what they attempted to show the fans).

considering the attendance and ratings had been steadily increasing, and nascar racing was gaining respect throughout the sports world and mainstream media, it seemed like shifting everyone's focus from being a legitamate sports sanctioning body to an entertainment oriented company was not needed...and turned me off, as i love the sport angle. racing cannot always be good entertainment, but with compitent officiating and a clear set of rules that work, it can always be good sport.

right now, i don't find nascare to be entertaining enough to enjoy as a show, and i feel they are doing a lousey job at running things as a sport.

what does all that have to do with turkey night at irwindale? irwindale was a penske track, and penske merged with nascare's sister company, isc...literally sister company, since isc's ceo is the nascare ceo's sister...i don't know for sure if irwindale was part of the merger, or if it somehow didn't become part of isc, but it doesn't matter. i am opposed to giving the france family any of my money. i have wrote letters and i complain on the internet, but i follow that up with not supporting them.

i saw many turkey nights at ascot while i was growing up, and went to irwindale a couple years ago (when stewart was violently introduced to the turn 3 wall)...so i know what i'll be missing, but it's a small price to pay for not supporting the organization that has turned me off from watching the best stock car drivers in the world.
 
racefan,

I hate to bring this to your attention, but all professional sports are nothing more than an entertainment business with the sole purpose for their being to show a profit for the owners.

NASCAR is not now, and never has been anything more or less than just another entertainment business.

Sorry 'bout that!
 
3 wide...no problem...

boB...your concept of what sports is about and my concept are apparently different. i'm not gonna sit here and argue semantics with you. i think bill france, sr., started nascar with the idea that running a quality sport would attract enough people to make it profitable, and he was right...to me, brian france seems to have the idea that racing should be made more interesting for the masses and major media, regardless of what changes has to be made to the competition rules, and i think that's wrong and will not be healthy for either the sport or the entertainment value over the long run.
 
Originally posted by racefan against nascare@Jun 17 2004, 09:10 AM
boB...your concept of what sports is about and my concept are apparently different. i'm not gonna sit here and argue semantics with you.
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Would you care to share with us what your concept of "this sport", Nascar, is? And, just an FYI, boB was not (IMHO) trying to argue with you. He is actually one of the few members here that have actually spent many years in and around the sport.
 
from dictionary.com...

sport: 1. a.
Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
b. A particular form of this activity.
2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
3. An active pastime; recreation.

entertain: 1. To hold the attention of with something amusing or diverting. See Synonyms at amuse.
2. To extend hospitality toward: entertain friends at dinner.

a. To consider; contemplate: entertain an idea.
b. To hold in mind; harbor: entertained few illusions.

---when i think of sport, i think along the lines of the first 2 meanings, that it's a physical activity that is governed by a set of rules and customs and engaged in competitively. as such, i see nascar, and sports companies in general, as existing to organize and enforce the set of rules for their particular activities to promote competition.

i do understand that, as a company, they have a responsibility to their owners and investors, but as a sports company, i feel they also have a responsibility to the sport they organize. when the company looks to increase the entertainment value separate from or in opposition to the the set rules and customs of the sport, the sport ends up suffering.

the custom in nascar had been to award the championship to the team that performed the best for the entire season. brian france has turned his back on that custom in order to attept to make more money. they weren't losing money, they were already fulfilling their business responsibility by turning a profit, and a good profit at that. but the rules were changed and the custom ignored to make MORE money.

for one example in another sport of what can happen when the company decides to place too high of a premium on entertainment, one only has to look at the last superbowl. it used to be that the superbowl was just a football game at the end of the year to determine the champion. over the years, the nfl decided to allow more and more entertainment to be thrown in. as a result, the halftime has gone from being a regulation halftime to a 45 minute long platform for the music industry. this year, even though the game was good, the non-football entertainment overshadowed the sporting event it was supposed to merely accompany...and it would never had happened if they had been content with allowing the football game to just be a football game.

will that happen to racing someday? who knows. my point is that bad things happen when rules are ignored and customs are changed without regard to what those changes mean in the big picture. for me, the sport has suffered too much and it's just not fun for me any more...since i have spent the majority of the past 30 years being passionate about racing, it shouldn't be that much of a surprise that i resent the person that has decided that the established rules and customs that i loved need to be changed.
 
According to the definition you posted I'm not sure stock car racing would fit the mold. Physical activity, activity involving physical exertion, and active pastime all imply human activity. The vast majority of activity on a race track is generated by non-human vehicles of some sort. :) Sure human make the vehicle do what it does.......but, most of the work is done by the non-human machine. So it's iffy at best that stock car racing could really be considered a sport. There has been (and it still remains) an argument about this being a sport.......broaden the definition a little and it works, but in it's truest definition, it falls a little short. Of course that is my opinion so take it for what it's worth. :D

So stock car racing (or any other form of vehicular racing) is loosely a sport.......that's conventional wisdom anyway. But it does fit the bill for entertainment nicely. It's a spectacle put on by people who love to race for people who love to watch them race. That pretty much fits the definition of entertainment for me. :)

But, no matter.........I love stock car racing. No matter what it is (sport or entertainment). You claim you do too.........somehow I find that hard to believe. But I do have a possible solution for you. Don't watch it. And I'll ask a favor along with my suggestion........stop trying to spread your hatred of the "sport" to us who do.
 
fair enough, de...i do love the sport, and i still like asa, arca, usar, irl, etc. my only beef is how nascare operates. i have continued to watch on tv, since i don't have a nielsen box, but i have decided to stop until they stop having so much controversy. i am not trying to spread hate...i only merely went on a thread about turkey night because i felt an urge to voice my opinion about wanting to go to turkey night, but that i don't want to go to isc tracks or nascar member tracks, then i defended various positions i have.

i'm not trying to change anyone's opinions. i will consider viewpoints that are counter to mine, because i know i don't always think of every angle, no matter how objective i try to be. i don't appreciate being questioned as to how much i enjoy the sport of racing, or being told that i'm wrong by thinking that a sport is more than just a show...but i don't take offense because i know how the internet communications work. if something seems to be offensive, just assume that's not the intention of the poster.
 
Uhhhhhhhhhh, Eagle1, this thread seems to have gone off on a tangent! LOL
And yes, I did mean Joanie, thank you. Give an ole grey head a break, huh???
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Consensus is..................Yes!!! :D Cutie's daughter's staying with us for a while so there'll be three of us!! :D
 
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't wait till racin again. That was really fun!!!!!
And the more, the merrier!!!!! :bounce: :bounce:
 
That's great DE_W, can't wait. :D Atleast we know where to meet up now. LOL
 
if i remember correctly, they put the vintage cars outside the entrance...so maybe i will be around checkin' out the cool cars. maybe i won't even be in this frame of mind by then and i'll watch the races.

i missed out on turkey nights from the time they closed ascot...and i've seen one at irwindale. i wish i woulda seen the one at saugus speedway.

anyways, i do enjoy sprint cars, and i guess it wouldn't be right to make usac pay for my dissatisfaction with brian france.

i'm not being wishy washy...just still sorting out my feelings.
 
besides...it's been awhile since i've seen joanie and the gimp...lol
 
Joanie is gonna meet us all at the Funnel Cake Place!!! LOL
 
I think that's what he's saying, can't be sure cause don't sound like he is either. LOL

Of course if he's willing to understand that we love NASCAR racing but it isn't really all about NASCAR, that we love racing and making new friends and sharing some time with people we like and was able to meet through the board, I'd like to meet him.
 
Bet he's every bit as nice and you, Dragonlady, WOP and his daughter!! :D You can't tell by posts on a forum what people are like really. :)

So.........Nascare!! Come with us...........it'll be fun!! :cheers:
 
Oh DE_W I think so too, I guess what I was trying to say is to me these boards ain't NASCAR, it's more about friendships either cyber or if lucky enough like we were to actually meet. So by all means if nascare would like to meet and make friends with some great people :D :lilangel: come on, we'd love to meet you. :cheers: :cheers:
 
i am nice...but i can be rather passionate, and i sometimes don't come across right on the internet. i really came to racing-forums to find out more about open wheels, and only came in the nascar room because i saw irwindale in the 'recent topics' on one of the front pages.

i'm sure many of you already know a bit about me...some might have even realized it was me by the all-small letters and "nascare." some others might have read where i said it in the irl board.

i'm 4z, aka 4pontiac, aka 4chevy at just racin'/nascar fanatics/old speed vision board...kevin in "real life"...

not being able to make up my mind is a habit of mine...kinda why i generally wait until the last minute to do stuff. if i try to plan things, i never know if i'm still gonna wanna do it when the time comes...LOL

anyways, i'm sure joanie will vouge for me...but whatever she says about the hair and goatie ain't true...i cut them off.
 
Actually I've read your posts and posted with you at JR"S, and I believe the Dargonlady has too. I haven't been there in quite awhile though.

The invitation is still open though. :) If you decide to come let us know so we can be looking for ya. :cheers:
 
4Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good heavens!!!!!!! Haven't seen you for a long time.
I am Maire24 in disguise too. LOL
Sooooooooooooooo nice to "see" ya friend.
Would love to meet you also at Irwindale.
Put a face to the names! So to speak.
Will look forward to hopefully meeting you too at the Funnel Cake place!!
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Looks like all but racefan against nascare, are ready and eager to go. :bounce:
 
I should be there shooting the race. i will see you guys on the track for the autograph session, but I have the best seat in the house.... Inside turn 4
 
Unfortunately something has come up.........we won't be able to come!! Darn!! :( But we will do it again soon!! :)
 
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