It isn't that there is lack of rides for young talent...

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If anything there's too much pressure on many young stars to get up to cup and kick ass. Many drivers are being moved up to cup rather quickly. You know what the issue is and why ultra talented drivers such as Ross Chastain, Johanna Long, and Chrissy Wallace are out of a ride (or in an awful one in the cause of Johanna)?

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RIDES IN NW AND TRUCKS

People shouldn't necessarily be worried about being stuck in NW because they will never get to cup, they should be worried about that because before long they are gonna be ousted in favor in new talent, which may not be better than old talent, besides the fact that it is new. But it isn't the drivers fault, its the fact there isn't enough open rides. That isn't the owners faults either, that's the sponsors fault. But you know why the sponsors are not investing?

BECAUSE THE CUPPERS ARE IN NW AND DRIVING OUT THE YOUNG TALENT

They figure they may as well just sponsor the unrisky package as opposed to gambling a bit. This leaves little opportunity for rookies, unless they have money or connections. And this all could be fixed by limiting the cuppers presence in NW. Cmon NASCAR, this is the only way to get young talent, this is the only way to get popularity from middle class america, NASCAR has no future other wise.

DO IT FRANCE

/endrant
 
I think you're missing the possibility that some sponsors are only in NNS and CWTS because they have a chance to sponsor Cup drivers at a discount.
 
I wouldn't go as far as calling the likes of Chrissy Wallace, Johanna Long, and Chastain ultra talented. That's far more than a stretch.

Also its the Sponsors themselves that are keeping the Cuppers in NW. They're the ones who say who runs where and what.

It is up to NASCAR to say no but they wont do that because they need any sponsor they can get at this current stage the sport is currently undergoing.
 
where have you been this is the way its been pretty much all along. The other thing is quit complaining about cup drivers in the NW series, the reason anyone even watches these races is because there are cup guys in the race. Go to a local short track sometime the promoters there have been known to pay cup drivers appearance fees just to show up. cup drivers fill the seats. otherwise it might was well be ARCA how many people are watching those races?? as for sponsorship lets say you have 5 million to spend are you going to spend that on kyle busch or brad k to run and win in a NW car or ross chastain?? its clear your going to spend that on a car that runs up front and wins. Your business also gets to rub shoulders with and hangout with the team and driver. Its rare anyways that a driver gets a shot in NW without some sort of connection in the first place. Either they have alot of money and buy the ride OR they bring a sponsor OR they are a women or minority. when was the last time a guy with no family connections that essentially raced their way to the top, denny hamilin or clint bowyer come to mind.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
where have you been this is the way its been pretty much all along. The other thing is quit complaining about cup drivers in the NW series, the reason anyone even watches these races is because there are cup guys in the race. Go to a local short track sometime the promoters there have been known to pay cup drivers appearance fees just to show up. cup drivers fill the seats. otherwise it might was well be ARCA how many people are watching those races?? as for sponsorship lets say you have 5 million to spend are you going to spend that on kyle busch or brad k to run and win in a NW car or ross chastain?? its clear your going to spend that on a car that runs up front and wins. Your business also gets to rub shoulders with and hangout with the team and driver. Its rare anyways that a driver gets a shot in NW without some sort of connection in the first place. Either they have alot of money and buy the ride OR they bring a sponsor OR they are a women or minority. when was the last time a guy with no family connections that essentially raced their way to the top, denny hamilin or clint bowyer come to mind.
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Nope.
 
Mike Helton closes the door on banning Cup drivers from lower series.

From MRN:

“We believe that it's in NASCAR's best interest currently to have an open model for its three national series and not restrict who participates in them,’’ Helton said. “As we go forward we always look at what's next as far as possibilities are concerned.

“But our general philosophy is to make our products be competitive and open, and we want to have the best competition, if it's for 400 miles or 300 miles, and the guy who ends up in Victory Lane is the guy who deserves to be there. If the guy that wins the championship deserves to be the champion, whether he has a win or not, the emphasis was on him earning the championship as opposed to earning a win.’’
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OP is just wrong and doesn't understand the economics of Nascar and media.

We have a feeder series without Cup drivers. It's called ARCA. And nobody watches it.

Nationwide and Trucks need *more* Cup drivers. Not less.

The fans want Cup drivers. The track owners want Cup drivers. The TV partners want Cup drivers. The sponsors want Cup drivers.

A small minority of fans don't want any Cup drivers at all. They should not be listened to. They were happy when Nascar was a small regional series. They'd be happy if Nascar went back to being a small, regional series.

That's clearly not in Nascar's best interest, the track owner's best interest, their TV partner's best interest, the sponsor's best interest, or the fan's best interest. Which is why Nascar always has, and always will, ignore their advice.
 
It's called a position paper because it's a document about taking a certain position on an issue.
 
While I don't like it when the top 15 positions on the grid are occupied by Cup regulars at a NW race, I understand it. It is marketing 101, although I must say I don't see the stands filling up much differently for NW Saturday race when their are Cup regulars entered, outside of the first race at Daytona, it doesn't seem to make a hell of a lot of difference. The tv side though where that advertising money really counts is the most important factor.
 
When I go to a race, which is several times a year, I camp for four or five days and attend ALL of the races offered that week. If the Truck or NNS races have cup regulars racing in them I still go but don't like it and pay attention as always to where the action is. I have noticed no difference in attendance at the NNS races whether with or without cup regulars except for the standalone races without cup drivers which tend to draw a much larger crowd.
 
StoneTown said:
OP is just wrong and doesn't understand the economics of Nascar and media.

We have a feeder series without Cup drivers. It's called ARCA. And nobody watches it.

Nationwide and Trucks need *more* Cup drivers. Not less.

The fans want Cup drivers. The track owners want Cup drivers. The TV partners want Cup drivers. The sponsors want Cup drivers.

A small minority of fans don't want any Cup drivers at all. They should not be listened to. They were happy when Nascar was a small regional series. They'd be happy if Nascar went back to being a small, regional series.

That's clearly not in Nascar's best interest, the track owner's best interest, their TV partner's best interest, the sponsor's best interest, or the fan's best interest. Which is why Nascar always has, and always will, ignore their advice.
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Thank you sir !!!
 
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