Jimmie Johnson qualifying time thrown out

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Speedchannel reporting that the car was found to have an illegal track bar adjuster which led to the left rear tire rubbing the fender.
 
N2racin88 said:
Speedchannel reporting that the car was found to have an illegal track bar adjuster which led to the left rear tire rubbing the fender.
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It didn't take that team long to pick up where they left off...... :eek:
or..mabey the car "settled" too much
 
They are saying the adjuster in the right rear tilted the rear glass up a little. I assume that would take air off the rear spoiler. Could you imagine taking the pole had the tire not rubbed and then getting your time thrown out. An embarassment either way but that would have been a bigger black eye.
 
UPDATE: been told that Jeff Burton's #31 Cingular Chevy passed inspection and there is no issue with the motor. BUT have been told the #96 DLP Chevy's time has been disallowed due to an unapproved carberator modification, so Terry Labonte will start from the rear at the Gatorade Duel's.(2-12-2006) :AHHHH:
 
Not only did Knauss cheat but it was deliberate no doubt about it. He put an instrument in the car to make the window height change. NASCAR says they are not going to use his past against him, which is crap!!! This guy is a cheater and his past proves it. They also say Johnson will prbably not be fined, also crap. Do they really think JOhnson did not know the instrument wa sin there? Not to mention if it needed to be used, who do they think used it???
 
Johnson's qualifying run disqualified MORE Burton and Gordon cars also being looked at AND #96 also disallowed: on Speed Channel's Victory Lane show, Bob Dilner reported that #48-Jimmie Johnson's Daytona 500 qualifying run has been disqualified due to an illegal traction control adjuster on the right rear of the car. Johnson had qualified 5th on Sunday with a speed of 188.762mph and the rear tires were rubbing and smoking during his run. So Johnson will not have his speed to fall back on if he has a bad run in the Gatorade Duel race on Thursday, but since he is in the top-35 2005 owners points, he is guaranteed a spot in the Daytona 500. Could be a fine and/or points penalty coming.
AND Jimmie Johnson qualified 5th on Sunday in Daytona 500 time trial runs. He has been disqualified. Johnson had an illegal off-set track bar adjuster in the right rear of that car. If you remember during his time trial run, the #48 was smoking out on the racetrack in the left rear. With this illegal adjuster, it boosted up the back glass and actually made the left rear rub a little bit so that time has been disallowed by NASCAR. There are a bunch of other issues in the garage area. In fact, some issues with the #31 team of Jeff Burton. That's right. Your Daytona 500 polesitter. Those issues have to do with the engine, and that's being hotly discussed in the garage area right now. In the media center after the Budweiser Shootout, NASCAR said it is researching several things from post-500 qualifying tech, including Burton's car as well as the #24 car of Jeff Gordon.(FoxSports).
UPDATE: been told that Jeff Burton's #31 Cingular Chevy passed inspection and there is no issue with the motor. BUT have been told the #96 DLP Chevy's time has been disallowed due to an unapproved carberator modification, so Terry Labonte will start from the rear at the Gatorade Duel's.(2-12-2006)
UPDATE 2: NASCAR officials late Sunday disqualified the Daytona 500 qualifying times set earlier in the day by Jimmie Johnson’s #48 Hendrick Motorsports Chevrolet and the #96 Hall of Fame Racing Chevy driven by Terry Labonte. According to NASCAR, in post-qualifying inspection Johnson’s car failed a template inspection, while Labonte’s car had a carburetor violation. Both cars had cleared pre-qualifying inspections. As a result, both cars will have to start in the back of the field during next Thursday’s Gatorade Duel 150 qualifying race, which will set the final field for the Daytona 500. NASCAR Vice President of Corporate Communications Jim Hunter said Sunday night that additional penalties could be forthcoming. Those penalties could include points taken away from the teams, monetary fines or both. Hunter said that although NASCAR had not confiscated Johnson’s car, that is also a potential option at the sanctioning body’s disposal. “These were serious infractions,” Hunter said, adding that the sanctioning body was treating them as such, given that they occurred prior to the first and most visible race of the season, the Daytona 500.(Speed Channel)
UPDATE 3 - Suspension?: #48 Crew chief Chad Knaus faces possible suspension for altering the height of the rear window in driver Jimmie Johnson's car before Sunday's qualifying for the Daytona 500. The biggest penalty could come as early as Monday against Knaus, according to a NASCAR source. According to the source, an instrument was placed inside the car that raised the rear window after it went through pre-qualifying inspection to provide an aerodynamic advantage. The height difference was discovered during a post-qualifying inspection and considered a flagrant attempt to gain a competitive advantage.(NASCAR.com)(2-12-2006)

I guess they need to cheat to be competitive.
They did say they were trying something new. Cheating is nothing new to these guys.
 
Almost Last!

So, does anybody have anything to say about Jimmie Johnson and his crew's chief's trickery. How will this affect him in the race?
 
On a side note: Jayski must be asleep today. He still has not picked up the story!!!
 
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UPDATE 3 - Suspension?: #48 Crew chief Chad Knaus faces possible suspension for altering the height of the rear window in driver Jimmie Johnson's car before Sunday's qualifying for the Daytona 500. The biggest penalty could come as early as Monday against Knaus, according to a NASCAR source. According to the source, an instrument was placed inside the car that raised the rear window after it went through pre-qualifying inspection to provide an aerodynamic advantage. The height difference was discovered during a post-qualifying inspection and considered a flagrant attempt to gain a competitive advantage.(NASCAR.com)(2-12-2006)
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I'm all for trying to find new ways to win, but Knaus is getting rediculous.
 
My issue is with it being an obvious infraction that someone (knauss I suppose) knowingly tried to cheat. The intent was there. Hammer down I say. Suspend him from any contact with his driver and team while at the track for at least 6 races. If NASCAR wants to get its point across make it 10 races. I sure it will be appealed and then dropped to 2 races though.
 
surfcowboy said:
So, does anybody have anything to say about Jimmie Johnson and his crew's chief's trickery. How will this affect him in the race?
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You may want to check the thread "Jimmie Johnson qualifying time thrown out".
 
Jeepers guys! The name of the game has always been getting an advantage over the other cars.. It is not cheating as much as it is trying to win! All of the great ones in the past had an advantage over other cars..
If all of the cars were exactly the same we would see all races zackly the same as restrictor plate races.. Nobody could get ahead of the pack.
The problem is the NASCAR rules themselves. The rules have made all cars so equal that there can only be an accidental winner...not a better car/driver that wins.
Did nobody listen to Smoke and Jeffy after the race yesterday? Both (probably the best drivers NASCAR has) want the rules relaxed and did you hear Smoke say somebody would be KILLED with these rules?
Betsy
 
Cheating the rules has been a time honored NASCAR tradition ever since the sport ran on the beach at Daytona.

In fact, NASCAR hired the most successful cheater to be the head inspector!

Richard Petty did not dominate all those years by following the rules to the letter.

The problem is the amount of money that is now at risk. And not the winning money---the sponsors dollars. I would be willing to bet a lot of the newer sponsors---in the last 10 years----put a lot of pressure on the teams to succeed----much more than normal.

"We will sponsor you for two years, but you bettter win something, or we will seriously rethink our commitment."

At the cost of fielding a competitive team in Nextel cup today-----that is a death knell from the start.

Not to mention now having to find a driver who is media friendly, can drive from race one, and will have a forseeable future---that in itself can be incredibly expensive. Catch Driver X on Discovery channel, for instance. ;)

Part of the job.
 
Per nascar.com, Knaus has been ejected from all activities for the Daytona 500 and other penalties to follow after the completion of the Daytona 500.
And, other penalties will be assessed to the 96 team after the 500.
 
they cant take points away becasue they dont have them...which is why i bet they wont annouce further penalties until after the Daytona 500..when teams will have points.

i bet JJ looses points over this after the 500 as will the 96 team.
 
I think this is a good call by Nascar, afterall this isn't the first rules infraction by the 48 team. I can see if they were squeaky clean over the last few years, but they have been far from that, hope they get docked 50pts and Knauss is sat a few more races.
 
Handymac, Betsy, I'm in agreement with you on this one. Going back as far as I can remember, these guys have tried everything to get an edge. Sometimes they get away with it and sometimes they don't. Hell, in the real old days, the drivers themselves would do everything they could to win, including intentioally running the competition into the wall, or at least wrecking them, ala Dale Earnhardt. :)

Ya gotta do what ya gotta do to win.
 
yea, at this point, sponsorships and on track performance has a direct link ( i heard the army goes by 1 year "contracts" with MB2). Heck, i think teams beat the rules just to make it in the paper more times. Being in the paper more times = Lowes logo is in almost every house. Even the houses where people dont watch racing, so it's a form of advertising. Good idea, bad approach.
 
I fail to see what honor there is in cheating.

Seriously, what if someone here had a kid whose baseball team had to play a team with corked bats? If Nascar is going to insist it be called a sport then they need to treat it as one. How anyone can brag, boast and strut around when they KNOW they've cheated to win is beyond me.

Now that I'm done bawling and crying, get out the Jet Dryers 'cause the tears are about to really start flowing.
 
Patrick9999 said:
I fail to see what honor there is in cheating.
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There is none.

These people advocating for it fail to remember that, yes, there has always been cheating. But, there has also always been penalties for cheating.
 
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