Jimmie Johnson to cruise to the Final Four Of the Playoffs

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The new "enhancements" NASCAR implemented last night will return the advantages of the old Chase system (prior to elimination rounds) back to Jimmie Johnson.

Jimmie Johnson should easily cruise to the Final Four in most years he has left.

These changes will reward the top teams even more. It seems the top 5 or 6 drivers will build up a large enough lead with "playoff points" that it will relegate the rest of the 16 drivers in the Playoffs to window dressing.

This "sport" has become more gimmicky with each enhancement and change since 2004.

I'll watch but NASCAR has helped turn me into an even more cynical bastard.
 
AuzGrams said:
Isn't rewarding the regular season what people want?
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Correct. That's exactly what the pre-Chase era did. Too many rules, gimmicks and machinations now to try to "massage" Brian's beloved Playoff system into something resembling the sport that once was and still you get a lottery at Homestead. All this to try to create "moments."
"Moments" should come organically and not be artificially created and manipulated.
 
NJJammer said:
Correct. That's exactly what the pre-Chase era did. Too many rules, gimmicks and machinations now to try to "massage" Brian's beloved Playoff system into something resembling the sport that once was and still you get a lottery at Homestead. All this to try to create "moments."
"Moments" should come organically and not be artificially created and manipulated.
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Then your gripe isn't with the new points system, it's still with the Chase. I'm with you there, but don't lose track of the forest for all the newly sprouted trees.

But the Chase is here and, bitch all we like, there ain't a goldurn thing we can do to change that. If NASCAR insists on maintaining the Chase, I think this format does a better job of rewarding season-long performance than the version we used the last two years.
 
From the title of this thread I'm guessing that NASCAR now loves Jimmie Johnson. Remember the days when they used to hate him?
 
Michfan said:
NASCAR is always trying to benefit. It can't just be that he's the best driver in the garage and would excel in any format, nope no way.
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I have no problem with Jimmie Johnson or his and Chad's abilities. I know he is one of the best drivers PERIOD and am not a hater. I am a Kyle Busch fan but also recognize that while his title in 2015 was won legitimately within the rules in place at the time, the championships won during the Chase Era are a little less "earned" than the titles won by Petty, Earnhardt, Gordon, etc. especially the last three elimination seasons.
 
NJJammer said:
I have no problem with Jimmie Johnson or his and Chad's abilities. I know he is one of the best drivers PERIOD and am not a hater. I am a Kyle Busch fan but also recognize that while his title in 2015 was won legitimately within the rules in place at the time, the championships won during the Chase Era are a little less "earned" than the titles won by Petty, Earnhardt, Gordon, etc. especially the last three elimination seasons.
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Man, am I relieved to read that someone else gets it.

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Drop the playoffs and playoff points, and run the full season with the new rules and top ten points for segments and crown a season long champion. I am not opposed to the segments to keep the races more intense and to provide commercial time for the networks who paid billions to broadcast the races.
 
NJJammer said:
I have no problem with Jimmie Johnson or his and Chad's abilities. I know he is one of the best drivers PERIOD and am not a hater. I am a Kyle Busch fan but also recognize that while his title in 2015 was won legitimately within the rules in place at the time, the championships won during the Chase Era are a little less "earned" than the titles won by Petty, Earnhardt, Gordon, etc. especially the last three elimination seasons.
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dpkimmel2001 said:
Man, am I relieved to read that someone else gets it.

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I concur ! :)
 
NJJammer said:
I have no problem with Jimmie Johnson or his and Chad's abilities. I know he is one of the best drivers PERIOD and am not a hater. I am a Kyle Busch fan but also recognize that while his title in 2015 was won legitimately within the rules in place at the time, the championships won during the Chase Era are a little less "earned" than the titles won by Petty, Earnhardt, Gordon, etc. especially the last three elimination seasons.
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All they can do is aim for the target as NASCAR has defined it for that season. Some rule sets wind up rewarding different forms of performance than others. If winning the first 35 races won't get you the big trophy, then there's no reason to work toward that goal. There's not much the teams can do about that, just try to take maximum advantage of what they have to work with.
 
NJJammer said:
The new "enhancements" NASCAR implemented last night will return the advantages of the old Chase system (prior to elimination rounds) back to Jimmie Johnson.

Jimmie Johnson should easily cruise to the Final Four in most years he has left.

These changes will reward the top teams even more. It seems the top 5 or 6 drivers will build up a large enough lead with "playoff points" that it will relegate the rest of the 16 drivers in the Playoffs to window dressing.
This "sport" has become more gimmicky with each enhancement and change since 2004.

I'll watch but NASCAR has helped turn me into an even more cynical bastard.
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JJ won the championship by being the best car in the last 10 chase races. That no longer is the case.
 
Team Penske said:
JJ won the championship by being the best car in the last 10 chase races. That no longer is the case.
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Wins still tromp points though as far as advancing goes so the driver ranked 16 could go on a run and win the championship. I like the playoff though even before these changes.
 
No use in me or anyone else crying for the elimination of the playoffs (or Chase as it was called) because that clearly won't happen but can someone enlighten me on how best to explain this entire (convoluted, imho) system to crown a champion in NASCAR to a newbie who flips on the channel for the first time during the Daytona 500?

It may not sound so complex to those of us who have followed the sport but to someone with fresh eyes who wants to get into the sport (as NASCAR claims they're trying to attract) it can seem complicated, to say the least.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It was..... until they got it. Now it's a bad thing I guess.
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I am assuming you have your tongue in cheek as the longtime traditional fan would have much rather seen every race matter in the pre-2004 model with some tweaks to it. I don't know a soul that wanted the regular season to count with a playoff system intact.
 
Have no fear as I am sure Chad had the changes digested prior to the announcement and already has a solid plan in place to capitalize.
 
NJJammer said:
No use in me or anyone else crying for the elimination of the playoffs (or Chase as it was called) because that clearly won't happen but can someone enlighten me on how best to explain this entire (convoluted, imho) system to crown a champion in NASCAR to a newbie who flips on the channel for the first time during the Daytona 500?

It may not sound so complex to those of us who have followed the sport but to someone with fresh eyes who wants to get into the sport (as NASCAR claims they're trying to attract) it can seem complicated, to say the least.
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If you're serious, explain that points are awarded to the top 10 at the 25% and 50% mark, and to everyone at the end. The teams with the most wins get into the playoffs, and the rest of the 16-car field is filled by the teams with the most points (think of them as 'wild cards'). Frankly, I'd spend more time letting a newbie know how Daytona and plate racing differs from the rest of the schedule, or explaining terms like 'tight', 'loose', 'Lucky Dog', 'aero push', etc. Once he or she has seen Atlanta and the 'West Coast swing' and decided he's still interested, then you can go into the championship details.

The key to enjoying almost any activity is to have someone experienced explain it to you. I'd probably like basketball if I understood the rules. Hell, there's a lot of terms used by football broadcasters that I still don't understand. (Where's 'the flat'? The field looks level to me.) On the other hand, I suspect very few fans really understand how player rankings are calculated in golf. That doesn't keep people from enjoying watching it.
 
NJJammer said:
No use in me or anyone else crying for the elimination of the playoffs (or Chase as it was called) because that clearly won't happen but can someone enlighten me on how best to explain this entire (convoluted, imho) system to crown a champion in NASCAR to a newbie who flips on the channel for the first time during the Daytona 500?

It may not sound so complex to those of us who have followed the sport but to someone with fresh eyes who wants to get into the sport (as NASCAR claims they're trying to attract) it can seem complicated, to say the least.
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No more difficult than explaining how baseball's 2 wild card teams in each league, irrespective of which division they're in, get into a 1 game elimination to decide which of them makes it to a five game playoff so they can play a seven game playoff in order to compete in the World Series which has nada to do with the world outside of North America.

People either get racing or they don't. Those that do will quickly science out the arithmetic.
 
Michfan said:
NASCAR is always trying to benefit. It can't just be that he's the best driver in the garage and would excel in any format, nope no way.
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Right? I accepted this after Edwards 2008 loss.

In fact, look at those last two laps at Homestead. Larson had the field covered, definitely the fastest car of the race. Could anyone else have taken a 6 place car and just out drive the dominant car the last two laps? I'd think not.

That's what separates Jimmie from his competitors. The same thing that separates Brady from his active competitors, Jordan from his, and Kobe from his. That killer instinct, the intangibles, the relentless will to win which guides, and transcends talent. Jimmie has that more than any driver I have seen since I've been watching. Much respect.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I just reran all the numbers back to 2004. Had this new system been in place since then, Jimmie Johnson would be a 13-time Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Champion.

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I find this to be absolutely hilarious
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I'm astonished. Not that Jimmie would have 13 titles, but that you were motivated / bored enough to do the numbers.
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But the numbers don't tell how everyone would have been racing different if that was the case.
I think Jeff Gordon would have wrecked him more.:D
 
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