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Dale Earnhardt Jr. has been an outspoken critic of the two-car drafting tandems that have become commonplace at Daytona and Talladega this season. He has maintained from the get-go he much preferred the racing in large packs.

Earnhardt came up on the short end last Sunday, running much of the race in the back of the pack with teammate Jimmie Johnson. The two failed to make a planned run to the front late in the race, frustrating Earnhardt again.

Friday at Martinsville Speedway, Earnhardt was asked for his suggestion to NASCAR to change the tandem drafting. This was his response:

"Well, we need to go test, we need to take a lot of race cars out there and test a lot of things and get creative and unique in the ideas and get everybody on the same packaging and go thoroughly through it. We have three days of testing in Daytona and to be honest, you don’t really do a lot while you are testing in Daytona. You have three days, so you fill it up with ideas and gimmicks and carry on, but you don’t really find things that bring a lot of speed," Earnhardt said.

"You have a rules package in the back of the car as far as shocks and springs and you have such a stringent guidelines on the bodies, but there are not a lot of things to do in three days, so really it is just your burning fuel and wasting a lot of time. When we go to Talladega, we put the car together, you unload it, you make a couple of laps, make sure nothing falls off and you are ready to race. There is not much to it. We could take those three days or invent another test sooner, and take 15 cars or whatever, go down there and go to Daytona or Talladega and try smaller spoilers.

"I think the spoilers are way too big, when I look at that spoiler, I can’t imagine there was a lot of study that went behind how effective it would be and what it would do, it is just a big square piece of steel, as wide as it could possibly be, and pretty tall. Make the spoiler more narrow, or smaller, run some softer springs in the back to get the cars a little lower. They have to make the hole that we punch in the air a little smaller. Right now, it is so giant it is very easy for another guy to fit up in that void and draft and push all the way around the race track. They need to bring the ceiling down that the car creates by the hole it pushes in the air, the car just punches a hole in the air and they need to bring that hole closer to the ground. Get a little bit more air on the second car’s windshield cause a little more drag on that car. I think the spoiler is just way too big. The corners on the ends, they could cut those off and round that spoiler off, going back to anywhere from 1998 to 2004, that type of spoiler was a little bit better, even smaller than that."

Earnhardt's proposed change wasn't limited to the spoilers.

"We have de-tuned the cars so that they go very slow and we have also resurfaced the race tracks to where they have a lot of grip so you could really take quite a bit away from the spoiler on the back of the car before I believe you would start to feel the handling effects of that. Otherwise, that entire thing does is really try and drag it down. Hopefully, we will get fortunate and the fuel injection will throw a few curve balls in the positive aspect that will change the drafting and change the ways the cars work in the draft. You never know and it might not change anything but maybe those going to fuel injection might have some positive effects," he said.

"I think we can take the spoiler away, get the back down with softer spring or whatever and different shock package in the back of whatever, and make the cars a little tougher to connect to, when you do those two things it will create a little bit of a beach ball effect in between the cars, like it is an imaginary beach ball in front of you. When you drive up to a guy, you kind of push him away. We will be able to open up the motors a little bit, get the qualifying faster, have a little more response in the cars when we are racing and driving them, but yet, we probably will not draft faster than we do now."
 
Right on Jr., I couldn't agree more. That's exactly what I e-mailed to NASCAR after 'dega too.
 
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However, I'm with Junior.

TRL do you require a link with all news stories if so can we get something to automatically post the link
 
TRL do you require a link with all news stories if so can we get something to automatically post the link

FFF, a poster got us into some hot water about a month ago, when he posted some material. It had been lifted without permission and the owner complained -- and rightly so.

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I find it easier just to post the link, and maybe an opening paragraph. If anyone is really interested, they can click the link and read.
 
FFF, a poster got us into some hot water about a month ago, when he posted some material. It had been lifted without permission and the owner complained -- and rightly so.

To be safe, ALWAYS post the link, or, at the very least, give credit to writer.
I find it easier just to post the link, and maybe an opening paragraph. If anyone is really interested, they can click the link and read.

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Jr is saying much of what I've been wishing nascar would do since the advent of the new car, but not just for RP races. Less aero, more suspension. I also want to see softer tires with more grip to go along with all of it. Don't stop with the rear suspension either. Lose the splitter and change the spring and shock rules.

The cars will have to slow down more in the turns, but then they could allow more power for the straights and average speeds wont drop much at all.
 
Right on Jr., I couldn't agree more. That's exactly what I e-mailed to NASCAR after 'dega too.

And it went right in the deleted folder.


Just bring back the car from 2005 and that will solve lots of problems.
 
And it went right in the deleted folder.


Just bring back the car from 2005 and that will solve lots of problems.

Yea, but that would also take away many of the safety features that the COT has, which are really needed in order to protect the drivers better.
 
Can't Imagine why Junyer wants to change the rules at restrictor plate tracks???

Junyor @ plate tracks 2011:

Feb. Daytona, Started Pole finished 24th? Really?

April Talladega, Started 4th finished 4th hey look at that!

July Daytona, Started 6th finished 19th? What happened?

Oct. Talladega, Started 6th finished 25th damn Jr......

And he's supposed to be good at restrictor plate tracks?
 
Can't Imagine why Junyer wants to change the rules at restrictor plate tracks???

Junyor @ plate tracks 2011:

Feb. Daytona, Started Pole finished 24th? Really?

April Talladega, Started 4th finished 4th hey look at that!

July Daytona, Started 6th finished 19th? What happened?

Oct. Talladega, Started 6th finished 25th damn Jr......

And he's supposed to be good at restrictor plate tracks?

True, but looking at his performance before this new car, I think the man has a pretty firm grasp on this drafting thing. :D He had the best professor in the
business, so I think he earned a "degree in drafting".
 
True, but looking at his performance before this new car, I think the man has a pretty firm grasp on this drafting thing. :D He had the best professor in the
business, so I think he earned a "degree in drafting".

All the more reason for him to want to go back to the"old style racing" ;);)
 
In a different thread, Bobby Allison was quoted as saying the he felt that the spoilers should be eliminated on plate tracks and that the tires should have less grip (narrower or harder compounds).

I have suggested taking that a step further by reducing or eliminating the splitter and the restrictor plate. The key is to make it impossible for drivers to hold the throttle wide open thru the turns. That will separate the field without doing away with the drafting that made NASCAR Superspeedway races so interesting over the years.
 
Yea, but that would also take away many of the safety features that the COT has, which are really needed in order to protect the drivers better.

Most could be implemented on the old car couldn't they? I don't know, I'm no expert but I'm thinking that if the cot were more aerodynamic we would probably see better racing at 1.5s and up. They are fine at short tracks I think.
 
Most could be implemented on the old car couldn't they? I don't know, I'm no expert but I'm thinking that if the cot were more aerodynamic we would probably see better racing at 1.5s and up. They are fine at short tracks I think.

The COT has a larger greenhouse (taller and wider), energy-absorbing foam in the driver's side door area and the driver was moved more towards the center of the car. The car also has mandated crumple zones built into the chassis. Not features found on the pre-COT car.

Elliott Sadler probably would have been seriously injured if he had been driving a pre-COT car at Pocono last year when he crashed into that guard rail and dirt embankment.

I think that the cars need to be LESS aerodynamic. The dependence on airflow and downforce is what causes the cars to become "aero-tight" when they don't have clean air on the nose.
 
In a different thread, Bobby Allison was quoted as saying the he felt that the spoilers should be eliminated on plate tracks and that the tires should have less grip (narrower or harder compounds).

I have suggested taking that a step further by reducing or eliminating the splitter and the restrictor plate. The key is to make it impossible for drivers to hold the throttle wide open thru the turns. That will separate the field without doing away with the drafting that made NASCAR Superspeedway races so interesting over the years.

My concern is if you eliminate the splitter's/spoilers your impacting the safety aspect of the car. Without the rear spoiler and "sharkfin" the roof/hood flaps do not operate as efficiently and then where back to "Flying cars"...... not good.
As much as I don't like seeing the cars "pinned down" on the super speedways there is a safety aspect involved in it.
 
True, but looking at his performance before this new car, I think the man has a pretty firm grasp on this drafting thing. :D He had the best professor in the
business, so I think he earned a "degree in drafting".

How true. Junior Johnson may have discovered the draft 50 years ago but Dale SR. perfected it. Nobody was better at it.
 
My concern is if you eliminate the splitter's/spoilers your impacting the safety aspect of the car. Without the rear spoiler and "sharkfin" the roof/hood flaps do not operate as efficiently and then where back to "Flying cars"...... not good.
As much as I don't like seeing the cars "pinned down" on the super speedways there is a safety aspect involved in it.


Just put a bigger lip on the roof flap so that it would open more easily. I don't want to see flying cars either...
 
True, but looking at his performance before this new car, I think the man has a pretty firm grasp on this drafting thing. :D He had the best professor in the
business, so I think he earned a "degree in drafting".

How true. Junior Johnson may have discovered the draft 50 years ago but Dale SR. perfected it. Nobody was better at it.

In No Way where my comments meant to be disparaging to Either of the Earnhardts....Always have and always will respect both Sr. and Jr.
 
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The whole piece sounds more like Knaus than it does Earnhardt.
 
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