jr "thinks" he caused the sadler crash

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Well he did cause it IMO from what I saw he didnt need to come down and do what he did and for that Sadler who was in what 4th? went off in a stretcher

But all in all a great race and I hope He is ok Sadler is my sons favorite driver(Cause of the M&Ms Sponsor last year his favorite was Schrader Hes 4 yrs old)and I hope Sadler is ok
 
I dont beleave it was his fault. I knew people would blame it on him :rolleyes:
 
he was coming down to block sadler and spotter said "38 inside 38inside". I think sadler overreacted to jr. coming down to block. As they say just one of them racin deals.
 
You don't believe it was Jr's fault?

You weren't paying much attention to his driving were you!
He tried his best to put the 48 car out but the kid was able to hang on and got lucky that nobody hit him. He was driving like a complete madman when he got his lap back and came from the rear and very plainly came down on the 38 car to try and block him. Seems to me another Earnhardt tried that same move at Daytona a couple years ago. Sport's biggest star!! Yeah, and also the sports most dangerous drivers. Like father, like son.

Jr is a threat to every other driver on the track with him. He always has been and probably always will be. He's living off Daddy's big name and doing his very best to be just as dirty a driver as Daddy was.
I only hope that NASCAR will recognize facts when the little twerp's dirty driving kills someone and will give the kid the boot.
That stuff certainly doesn't belong in the top tier of the sport of racing today and would never be tolerated anywhere except in NASCAR and then only if you have the right surname.

But that's just my own opinion based on seeing both daddy and son since the old man started bashing, banging and pushing his way around a race track.
Now that I think about it, I wonder if any Earnhardt ever made a clean pass on the race track?
 
Although this does not change the outcome of the accident, Kurt Busch was also drifting up ever so slightly.
 
Originally posted by boB@Sep 28 2003, 05:41 PM
Now that I think about it, I wonder if any Earnhardt ever made a clean pass on the race track?
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:rolleyes:
 
Who ever was at fault, it was nice to read (from Nascar.com) that Sadler was evaluated and released from the UAB-Birmingham Medical Center. :bounce:
 
Originally posted by Lap3Forever@Sep 29 2003, 12:35 AM
it was a racing deal, relly no one persons falght.
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Actually it is someones fault....NASCAR! They know damn well what these guys have been doing on he plate tracks for years, which is blocking and bumping like no tommorow. If they could get this crap right, Jr wouldn't have had to worry about blocking Sadler, cause hell if he didnt try to he'd loose 10 spots in an instance.

So you see If Nascar gets it right, the drivers will get it right...therefore...a win win situation. Ooops but wait, the fans wouldn't like that much now would they....no horrific wrecks for them to cheer about anymore.
 
Originally posted by boB@Sep 28 2003, 06:41 PM
You don't believe it was Jr's fault?

You weren't paying much attention to his driving were you!
He tried his best to put the 48 car out but the kid was able to hang on and got lucky that nobody hit him. He was driving like a complete madman when he got his lap back and came from the rear and very plainly came down on the 38 car to try and block him. Seems to me another Earnhardt tried that same move at Daytona a couple years ago. Sport's biggest star!! Yeah, and also the sports most dangerous drivers. Like father, like son.

Jr is a threat to every other driver on the track with him. He always has been and probably always will be. He's living off Daddy's big name and doing his very best to be just as dirty a driver as Daddy was.
I only hope that NASCAR will recognize facts when the little twerp's dirty driving kills someone and will give the kid the boot.
That stuff certainly doesn't belong in the top tier of the sport of racing today and would never be tolerated anywhere except in NASCAR and then only if you have the right surname.

But that's just my own opinion based on seeing both daddy and son since the old man started bashing, banging and pushing his way around a race track.
Now that I think about it, I wonder if any Earnhardt ever made a clean pass on the race track?
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That was a quite ignorant statement in my opinion.
 
Originally posted by boB@Sep 28 2003, 06:41 PM
You don't believe it was Jr's fault?

You weren't paying much attention to his driving were you!
He tried his best to put the 48 car out but the kid was able to hang on and got lucky that nobody hit him.  He was driving like a complete madman when he got his lap back and came from the rear and very plainly came down on the 38 car to try and block him.  Seems to me another Earnhardt tried that same move at Daytona a couple years ago.  Sport's biggest star!! Yeah, and also the sports most dangerous drivers.  Like father, like son. 

Jr is a threat to every other driver on the track with him.  He always has been and probably always will be.  He's living off Daddy's big name and doing his very best to be just as dirty a driver as Daddy was.
I only hope that NASCAR will recognize facts when the little twerp's dirty driving kills someone and will give the kid the boot.
That stuff certainly doesn't belong in the top tier of the sport of racing today and would never be tolerated anywhere except in NASCAR and then only if you have the right surname.

But that's just my own opinion based on seeing both daddy and son since the old man started bashing, banging and pushing his way around a race track.
Now that I think about it, I wonder if any Earnhardt ever made a clean pass on the race track?
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This is simply amazing. :bslfag:

Oh, by the way, your favorite driver must have ran like chit today.
 
I watched my tape several times.

Junior did not come close to Elliott. It looked as if the 38 simply reacted to the movement, and, unfortunately, the 97 was there.

It wasn't anyone's "fault". Except, maybe, the aero package that forces 43 cars to run in a giant wad.
 
Jr didnt cause the wreck today and he is not a trouble starter. And this is coming from someone who really dislikes jr.
 
Originally posted by boB@Sep 28 2003, 06:41 PM
You don't believe it was Jr's fault?

You weren't paying much attention to his driving were you!
He tried his best to put the 48 car out but the kid was able to hang on and got lucky that nobody hit him. He was driving like a complete madman when he got his lap back and came from the rear and very plainly came down on the 38 car to try and block him. Seems to me another Earnhardt tried that same move at Daytona a couple years ago. Sport's biggest star!! Yeah, and also the sports most dangerous drivers. Like father, like son.

Jr is a threat to every other driver on the track with him. He always has been and probably always will be. He's living off Daddy's big name and doing his very best to be just as dirty a driver as Daddy was.
I only hope that NASCAR will recognize facts when the little twerp's dirty driving kills someone and will give the kid the boot.
That stuff certainly doesn't belong in the top tier of the sport of racing today and would never be tolerated anywhere except in NASCAR and then only if you have the right surname.

But that's just my own opinion based on seeing both daddy and son since the old man started bashing, banging and pushing his way around a race track.
Now that I think about it, I wonder if any Earnhardt ever made a clean pass on the race track?
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:bslfag:
 
how about this: no plates and you can't put any tape on the front nose open up all the ducts and get rid of the side window. Less downforce then slow down .
 
I can't believe this guy hasn't been put in the corner yet. Whether it's SilverRam or not, he needs to be edited out.
 
boB I certainly am not a big Earnhardt fan, but I do think that the the 38s wreck was just a product of reacting and wrecking. I have a little more of a problem with the JJ wreck, but not with the 38.
 
Originally posted by Oldgoat@Sep 29 2003, 12:45 PM
boB I certainly am not a big Earnhardt fan, but I do think that the the 38s wreck was just a product of reacting and wrecking.   I have a little more of a problem with the JJ wreck, but not with the 38.
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Elliott Sadler did over-react and partially created his own situation ( understandable after watching Junior run) as Junior was trying to block Sadler, a game played by many yesterday. It was interesting to note however, Junior was like a train wreck waiting to happen. He was all over, up, under, over, around and into everybody, beyond aggressive, trying to get a lap back and it continued once on the lead lap. The driving demonstration put on by Dale Earnhardt, Jr. yesterday was as bad as the demonstration Jeff Gordon put on last fall at Martinsville.

As for the 48 car wreck, that was Junior' fault, plain and simple.

The first rule of bump drafting is never do it in a turn (how many times during the telecast did Wally and Benny mention this specifically? ) yet Junior bumped Waltrip going into the turn with Jimmy on the inside. Seems I recall the senior member of the family and the elder Waltrip doing this a few times in his history so it might not have been accidental. Especially in view of the location where the bump draft took place.

After all, Johnson had as fast if not a faster car than anyone else and it seemed to stick on the bottom and top. If circumstantial evidence were used to convict, this is a slam dunk for guilty as charged.
 
man this guy really don't like jr. does he. i'm new here so i won't say to much on the subject, but to wish someone harm is just wrong. :boxing:
 
Thanks, Whizzer. I too feel that Jr. was not to blame for the Sadler crash. He was, however, responsible for JJ's spin. I guess he felt he needed to get back past JJ in the Championship standings and that was the only way to accomplish it. :angry:
 
Yeah, I'm sure Jr. hit Mikey knowing that Mikey would get loose and drive into the side of JJ knowing that he couldn't keep from spinning and then he knew that he would blow an engine and not be able to finish the race. Hell yeah, it was all part of the master plan. He couldn't outrun him so he wrecked him. C'mon, ya'll know it wasn't intentional. :angry:
 
bowtie, can you honestly disagree that Jr. was driving like a madman? He knew full well that if he got up that close to the rear end of Mikey's car that it wouldn't loosen up the rear end? Wrong place, wrong time! And JJ was the loser in this one. I think he actually had a car as good as Jr's.
 
I think part of Jr. running into the back was the closing rate. Almost every driver said the closing rate was so much faster than it had been --- that it caught them all a bit off guard.
 
Originally posted by majestyx@Sep 29 2003, 09:45 AM
bowtie, can you honestly disagree that Jr. was driving like a madman? He knew full well that if he got up that close to the rear end of Mikey's car that it wouldn't loosen up the rear end? Wrong place, wrong time! And JJ was the loser in this one. I think he actually had a car as good as Jr's.
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No, I don't disagree, but everybody was bumping and bump drafting not just Jr., I think alot of you hated to see him get his lap back and get back to the front because you all knew he could win. But all this crap about wrecking JJ intentionally is absurd. I expected more from you Maj.
 
I don't think that Jr. intentionly wrecked JJ, but I do think that the place and timing was a accident waiting to happen. If JJ hadn't been there I think there would have been the 'big one' from Mikey spinning out. This plate racing sucks big time, but I don't think it is going away anytime soon. Doubt that are even very many of the drivers that really like it either. Might have been the cause of Tony's headaches more than anything.
 
Originally posted by majestyx+Sep 29 2003, 10:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (majestyx @ Sep 29 2003, 10:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--bowtie@Sep 29 2003, 09:58 AM
I expected more from you Maj.
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So, I can't be upset that my driver got spun out??? Give me a break! [/b][/quote]
I didn't say that, but saying Jr spun JJ on purpose to get ahead of him in points is kinda crazy.
 
Originally posted by bowtie+Sep 29 2003, 02:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bowtie @ Sep 29 2003, 02:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--majestyx@Sep 29 2003, 09:45 AM
bowtie, can you honestly disagree that Jr. was driving like a madman?&nbsp; He knew full well that if he got up that close to the rear end of Mikey's car that it wouldn't loosen up the rear end?&nbsp; Wrong place, wrong time!&nbsp; And JJ was the loser in this one.&nbsp; I think he actually had a car as good as Jr's.
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No, I don't disagree, but everybody was bumping and bump drafting not just Jr., I think alot of you hated to see him get his lap back and get back to the front because you all knew he could win. But all this crap about wrecking JJ intentionally is absurd. I expected more from you Maj. [/b][/quote]
Bowtie, think about it. Junior is an experienced driver on restrictor plate tracks. It was mentioned several times over, you do not bump draft in the turn. Even Wally Dallenbach knew that !!!!

Junior tapped Waltrip as they entered the turn, a no-no. Junior did not hit Waltrip hard enough to dump him, but he did hit him hard enough to unsettle him. Something any experienced driver can do.

Did Earnhardt think it was going to break the engine in Johnson's car ???

Not even in the most remote thought.

No way Junior was innocent here. He drove like a a madman all day long and committed the most egregious of errors by violating the one cardinal rule of bump drafting going in a turn. That was not an error, stupidity or inexperience. That is overly aggressive driving.

And the closing rate ??? Run up the b.s. flag. After coming from the back to the front more than once, Earnhardt had enough experience and had been running long enough in this exhibition to know what the closing rate would be.

Of course, there is another scenario here. Junior ran into the rear of another car on pit road under caution.
Giving Earnhardt the benefit of the doubt here, perhaps he wasn't cognizant of the closing rate.
Perhaps his awareness of the closing rate was why he hit Waltrip later in the exhibition.
Under those conditions, it would not be unreasonable for the ABJr'ers to think Earnhardt was not capable of driving as a result of his head injury.

But that is a stretch and really speculation!!!!!!! I don't buy that scenario. :D
 
I you'll look I never said what he did was right, but I did say intentionally is :bslfag: Come on, to think Jr. would hit Mikey trying to spin JJ is crazy.
 
Mostly tongue in cheek on the intentional part, but it WAS Jr's fault that JJ spun. I'm done.
 
Originally posted by boB@Sep 28 2003, 05:41 PM
You don't believe it was Jr's fault?

You weren't paying much attention to his driving were you!
He tried his best to put the 48 car out but the kid was able to hang on and got lucky that nobody hit him. He was driving like a complete madman when he got his lap back and came from the rear and very plainly came down on the 38 car to try and block him. Seems to me another Earnhardt tried that same move at Daytona a couple years ago. Sport's biggest star!! Yeah, and also the sports most dangerous drivers. Like father, like son.

Jr is a threat to every other driver on the track with him. He always has been and probably always will be. He's living off Daddy's big name and doing his very best to be just as dirty a driver as Daddy was.
I only hope that NASCAR will recognize facts when the little twerp's dirty driving kills someone and will give the kid the boot.
That stuff certainly doesn't belong in the top tier of the sport of racing today and would never be tolerated anywhere except in NASCAR and then only if you have the right surname.

But that's just my own opinion based on seeing both daddy and son since the old man started bashing, banging and pushing his way around a race track.
Now that I think about it, I wonder if any Earnhardt ever made a clean pass on the race track?
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Hey Bob, tell us how ya really feel! ;) :lol:
 
I was listening to mikey's in car and you could hear him lift off right before jr. hit him. Hmmmm maybe that's why jr. hit him going into the corner, You got to admit that was an awful hard hit fo a bump draft.
 
Originally posted by bowtie+Sep 29 2003, 09:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bowtie @ Sep 29 2003, 09:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--majestyx@Sep 29 2003, 09:45 AM
bowtie, can you honestly disagree that Jr. was driving like a madman?&nbsp; He knew full well that if he got up that close to the rear end of Mikey's car that it wouldn't loosen up the rear end?&nbsp; Wrong place, wrong time!&nbsp; And JJ was the loser in this one.&nbsp; I think he actually had a car as good as Jr's.
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No, I don't disagree, but everybody was bumping and bump drafting not just Jr., I think alot of you hated to see him get his lap back and get back to the front because you all knew he could win. But all this crap about wrecking JJ intentionally is absurd. I expected more from you Maj. [/b][/quote]
Man...just send me a note and say PLEASE thread-jack this one!!This is almost to good to pass up,Maj and Bow..... :p

The Chevy guys are fighting for --ahem---SECOND in the points while My boy Matt rides into the sunset.... :lol: :lol:
 
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