KDB's Tires Sabotage ?

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3. Kyle Busch's tires
Busch blew two left rear tires early in the race, sending him several laps down. What happened?

No one seems to know. Goodyear said it was neither a puncture nor a manufacturing issue.

Goodyear's Greg Stucker had this to say with about 20 laps left in the race: "They were pretty much identical [issues]. We see nothing else like that up and down pit road. We have guys with twice as many laps on tires. ... It's not obvious to us that there was any sort of cut or anything else. It didn't look like a tire rub. It didn't have that appearance. It just looked like the tire was getting overworked. We just need to understand what could contribute to that."

Busch's crew chief Adam Stevens: "I can tell it wasn't setup and it wasn't air pressure, the two things I'm in control of. Beyond that, I don't know. We didn't change left sides in the clash or in the duel with the same setup and the same air pressure [as the 500]. And now we can't go 20 laps, but yet we didn't change anything after that and ran the rest of the race. So I don't have a darn clue what's going on. We had teammates that were multiple pounds lower on air [pressure] than us, and it was not even a concern at all. ... There were no rubs on the tire. None."

Goodyear will take the tires back to Akron to see if its engineers can tell them anything more.

http://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/s...in-dillon-kyle-busch-tires-yellow-line-debate
 
maybe they were able to crank down the track bar for the corners and the body rubbed the tire..they good about that with the pit gun motors.
 
StandOnIt said:
should be something to discuss besides the Zombie Dodge headlines. KDB and tires go together like bees and honey, I think they were trying out something with the car to get around the new rules and it didn't work myself.
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We will never know. Adam says not the set up/pressures, and Goodyear isn't about to admit that it could have been a **** couple of tires. Tires are essentially handmade, no? Always room for error. My guess is that you are right, but the tire should have been consistent enough to handle it if there were no problems during Speedweeks.
 
StandOnIt said:
maybe they were able to crank down the track bar for the corners and the body rubbed the tire..they good about that with the pit gun motors.
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Didn't think the track bar was able to move that quickly....
 
I'm not sure all tires are equal. I remember a long time ago with the #8 car, Junior talking about they liked certain codes and would look for those codes. I don't think the teams choose their tires any more? true? Nascar selects and hands out the tires now??
 
Another thing pretty fishy, Kyle has not one but two failures. We know there was a swarm of pit reporters waiting to talk to Kyle when he got out of the car. Nothing. Kyle doesn't miss too many opportunities to blame Nascar, Goodyear, the track, whatever, and he doesn't say a word
 
I'm never one to defend Goodyear, but for two bad tires to show up on the same corner of the same car in a row, and not effect anybody else, it would HAVE to be a car issue or a #18 crew issue. Short of somebody shooting the tires out (which would have left a hole) I can't think of anything else.
 
StandOnIt said:
Another thing pretty fishy, Kyle has not one but two failures. We know there was a swarm of pit reporters waiting to talk to Kyle when he got out of the car. Nothing. Kyle doesn't miss too many opportunities to blame Nascar, Goodyear, the track, whatever, and he doesn't say a word
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...and Kyle Busch never walks away from an interview when he is pissed, right? Certainly, you can find me four pages of bitching about this, right? You have a solid skill set in accumulating such information I understand.
 
Formerjackman said:
I'm never one to defend Goodyear, but for two bad tires to show up on the same corner of the same car in a row, and not effect anybody else, it would HAVE to be a car issue or a #18 crew issue. Short of somebody shooting the tires out (which would have left a hole) I can't think of anything else.
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Sir, you said HAVE to...and I can't think of anything else in the same post. Is it "HAVE to" or maybe?
 
The 18 team might be the new Jimmie and Chad for all I know..It's fishy when two tires blow out on the same corner of the car and Goodyear doesn't see nothing, and Stephens is saying wha I don't know:idunno: and Kyle is silent.
 
StandOnIt said:
The 18 team might be the new Jimmie and Chad for all I know..It's fishy when two tires blow out on the same corner of the car and Goodyear doesn't see nothing, and Stephens is saying wha I don't know:idunno: and Kyle is silent.
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It is with 100% certainty that I am sure there is absolutely NOTHING that Kyle could say that would make you less suspicious. I also am 100% certain that you are smart enough to know that a Crew Chief isn't going to say a word about set up. Additionally, I am 100% certain that you know Goodyear will call a tire problem a set up issue at the drop of a hat....unless it is Indy or something. Am I wrong?
 
Revman said:
It is with 100% certainty that I am sure there is absolutely NOTHING that Kyle could say that would make you less suspicious. I also am 100% certain that you are smart enough to know that a Crew Chief isn't going to say a word about set up. Additionally, I am 100% certain that you know Goodyear will call a tire problem a set up issue at the drop of a hat....unless it is Indy or something. Am I wrong?
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you can argue until you are blue in the face. Two tires failing on the same corner of ANY car is going to raise eyebrows when nobody else is having problems
 
Nascar closed a whole lot of loop holes this year, can't wait to see how they race at Atlanta next week in all three series.
 
StandOnIt said:
you can argue until you are blue in the face. Two tires failing on the same corner of ANY car is going to raise eyebrows when nobody else is having problems
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There's a big gap between 'raising eyebrows' and 'conspiracy'. A crew chief running a questionable set-up, and a driver who doesn't want to air that disagreement in public, make a lot more sense than Outside Forces of Evil.
 
I've watched my fair share of races over the past thirty plus years. It is peculiar to me that a car would have tire problems that early, on the same corner that early in a race. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, unless it gets buried. I'd like to know what happened.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
There's a big gap between 'raising eyebrows' and 'conspiracy'. A crew chief running a questionable set-up, and a driver who doesn't want to air that disagreement in public, make a lot more sense than Outside Forces of Evil.
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rule it out then. It is one of the outside possibilities, it could be done, Newman's crew got away with it for awhile what they did. I wonder what regular air instead of nitrogen would do to a right rear tire
 
StandOnIt said:
rule it out then. It is one of the outside possibilities, it could be done, Newman's crew got away with it for awhile what they did. I wonder what regular air instead of nitrogen would do to a right rear tire
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It's not sabotage when you do it to yourself.
 
StandOnIt said:
you can argue until you are blue in the face. Two tires failing on the same corner of ANY car is going to raise eyebrows when nobody else is having problems
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Not really. My son and I looked at each other, and said, "Set up." .....I think that realistically most people feel that way, and would expect Kyle to **** on Goodyear because he would want the tire to hold up under a set up he wants. I know. Unreasonable bastard.
 
I'm still trying to figure out when he changed his middle name to "Damn?"
 
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