Kevin Hammond made some interesting comments

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4xchampncountin

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I just watched an interview on the Best Damn Sports Show Period. When asked about the Busch v Spencer incident he basically said he more or less agreed with what Spencer did. He said that "this is what the sport was founded on". He said you had to earn your respect so you don't have guys beatin' on you at 190 mph. He also said the NASCAR may have shot themselves in the foot by suspending Spencer for this as guys will be afraid to duke it out and will instead settle it on the track where someone can get killed and some very expensive cars are going to get trashed as a result. I don't really agree totally (especially since Jimmy sucker punched him).

But I was very surprised to hear Hammond make comments like that.
 
Kevin Hammond ???? who is that ????

Jeff Hammond

or

Kevin Harvick
 
Sorry <_<

Jeff Hammond...of the Fox Sports race broadcasting team. I posted this when I was very sleepy and didn't catch that I said Kevin. Sorry. ^_^
 
Most old school NASCAR folk will agree with Jeff. I can see where he is coming from.
 
I don't doubt that there is a lot of truth to what Jeff said. Nascar doesn't want to get its hands dirty with the drivers that are driving reckless, but if another driver finally goes to a physical confrontation then Nascar gets the guy trying to settle it. Jimmy should have at least waited to get Kurt when he was out the car, but I don't fault him for going after him. Trouble is trying to settle it on the track will not only risk the two drivers and cars, but also the rest of the field.
 
Originally posted by Oldgoat@Aug 22 2003, 08:00 AM
I don't doubt that there is a lot of truth to what Jeff said.&nbsp; Nascar doesn't want to get its hands dirty with the drivers that are driving reckless, but if another driver finally goes to a physical confrontation then Nascar gets the guy trying to settle it.&nbsp; Jimmy should have at least waited to get Kurt when he was out the car, but I don't fault him for going after him.&nbsp; Trouble is trying to settle it on the track will not only risk the two drivers and cars, but also the rest of the field.
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I just don't understand this attitude, did you teach you kids to settle things with violence?
 
Much rather it be settled face to face than use a car to settle it. Sorry, but sometimes I think that violence is what then end result will be. What I raise my kids isn't any of your business for one thing, but I don't expect them to run away and apologize when they are in the right either.
 
Originally posted by Brand X Guy@Aug 22 2003, 02:15 PM
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I just don't understand this attitude, did you teach you kids to settle things with violence? [/quote]
Actually, I teach my kids to avoid violence when it is possible. I also teach them that if violence is unavoidable that they need to strike first and with force. I don't seek, nor do I expect some kind of socialist utopia where if they don't start trouble there won't be any. Sometimes you have to pop a bully in the mouth to stop the aggression.
 
Originally posted by 4xchampncountin@Aug 22 2003, 07:36 PM
I just don't understand this attitude, did you teach you kids to settle things with violence?
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Actually, I teach my kids to avoid violence when it is possible. I also teach them that if violence is unavoidable that they need to strike first and with force. I don't seek, nor do I expect some kind of socialist utopia where if they don't start trouble there won't be any. Sometimes you have to pop a bully in the mouth to stop the aggression. [/quote]
Amen. :angry:
 
Remember what I said "Let ye who is without sin, cast the first stone"

Does that quote even work for this situation?
 
Watched Jeff repeat this philosophy on "Trackside" tonight. I can't believe he says it with a straight face. He worked for Junior Johnson and CC'd for DW.........he knows better.

It don't work that way. Just because you had a fist fight after a race absolutely does not mean you will not use the chrome horn on a driver in the next one. Matter of fact if ya lose the fight you almost have no choice, you have to put the bumper to the guy on the very next oppportunity, or you have to run scared of him for the rest of the season. A driver must not ever ever let it be thought he can be intimidated out of contention be it in the pits with fists or on the track with the car.........

Jeff proclaimed himself "old school". Does he honestly expect anyone who was around for the old school days of guys like Curtis Turner, Junior Johnson, Little Joe, and so on did less banging on the track because they had fights in the pits......stupidest thing I ever heard.
 
See that (what Jeff Hammond said) is what I have been talking about all along here on this board.

You kids here who are so offended that we would condone settling things with violence aren't seeing what is being said between the lines.

In baseball your team expects the pitcher to protect them by the threat of beaning the other hitters. If your pitcher throws hard, then you can go to the plate knowing that you won't be thrown at, thus you can dig in for a good hit.

Jimmy Spencer actually was protecting the other drivers on the track by nailing that little prick in the garage. That is why the other drivers are behind Spencer in a secret way.

Kurt Busch never played baseball I would guess.

He is nothing more then a loser who should get the @#@%$%%# out of the drivers seat.

He will pay for sure you just watch the rest of the season.
 
Don't get too carried away there hoss....

Spencer was protecting (I guess) and acting for Spencer. He , and none of the other drivers, are exactly white knights in shining armor off to slay the great evil dragon threatening the kingdom.
 
Originally posted by 4xchampncountin@Aug 22 2003, 07:36 PM
I just don't understand this attitude, did you teach you kids to settle things with violence?
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Actually, I teach my kids to avoid violence when it is possible. I also teach them that if violence is unavoidable that they need to strike first and with force. I don't seek, nor do I expect some kind of socialist utopia where if they don't start trouble there won't be any. Sometimes you have to pop a bully in the mouth to stop the aggression. [/quote]
I feel sorry for your kids.
 
Originally posted by Oldgoat@Aug 22 2003, 09:00 PM
Personally I could care less what you think.
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Whatever happened to sportsmanship, if you lost you lost you try to win the next week.

I guess if nascar is gonna allow them to hit each other on purpose on the track they need to let them settle the after effects too. Stop it before it starts or dont get involved.
 
Originally posted by SilverRam@Aug 22 2003, 06:32 PM
See that (what Jeff Hammond said) is what I have been talking about all along here on this board.

You kids here who are so offended that we would condone settling things with violence aren't seeing what is being said between the lines.

In baseball your team expects the pitcher to protect them by the threat of beaning the other hitters. If your pitcher throws hard, then you can go to the plate knowing that you won't be thrown at, thus you can dig in for a good hit.

Jimmy Spencer actually was protecting the other drivers on the track by nailing that little prick in the garage. That is why the other drivers are behind Spencer in a secret way.

Kurt Busch never played baseball I would guess.

He is nothing more then a loser who should get the @#@%$%%# out of the drivers seat.

He will pay for sure you just watch the rest of the season.
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Sorry dude but last I checked, NASCAR isnt another term for WCW.
 
Originally posted by Brand X Guy@Aug 23 2003, 01:57 AM
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I feel sorry for your kids.

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Thanks, but my kids don't need your pity. Now if I was choosing to spout the falicy that is Atheism and trying to teach them that if they just cower in fear that everything will work out, then I could see a need for pity.
 
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Thanks, but my kids don't need your pity. Now if I was choosing to spout the falicy that is Atheism and trying to teach them that if they just cower in fear that everything will work out, then I could see a need for pity.


I know you think you're clever and all that but there are countless studies linking violent behavior and low IQs. Your hit first and hard is bad parenting. Your personal attacks are also a form of verbal aggression which is linked to lower IQ.
 
Hum what's that suppose to mean?

Now if I was choosing to spout the falicy that is Atheism and trying to teach them that if they just cower in fear that everything will work out, then I could see a need for pity.


If a person doesn't believe in religion there cower in fear? LOL

I believe the exact opposite, people that do believe in religion fear the unknown

:lol:
 
Originally posted by eeff@Aug 23 2003, 08:29 AM
Hum what's that suppose to mean?

Now if I was choosing to spout the falicy that is Atheism and trying to teach them that if they just cower in fear that everything will work out, then I could see a need for pity.


If a person doesn't believe in religion there cower in fear? LOL

I believe the exact opposite, people that do believe in religion fear the unknown

:lol:
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Eeff...with all due respect you took two comments and combined them. The Athiest comment was entirely seperate from the cower in fear comment. If you re-read the post I'm fairly certain that it should make more sense to you.
 
Originally posted by Brand X Guy@Aug 23 2003, 05:33 AM
My "iq" is likely substantially higher than you might expect. But, I certainly do not feel the need to defend myself to a troll who is quite certain that they already know everything. I remember when I knew everything and there was no reasoning with me at that time either.
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Not sure where this topic is heading, but can't quite make the conncection between atheism, parenting, and racing.............not too bright I guess.

The first personal attack I believe I see is a question of someone's IQ, or rather an assertion of what it probably is. None of which is relevent to anything, about anything, remotely associated with what Jeff Hammond had to say.

Do not allow this, or any other discussion on this board, to deteroriate any further. Argue the issues, and other stuff associated with favorite drivers, non-favorite drivers, teams, races, racetracks, sanctioning bodies, team owners, sponsors, manufacturers, and such to your heart and mind's content.

No one is making any kind of valid point about those subjects by trying to demonstrate the shortcomings of anyone else's intent, IQ, religeous beliefs, philosphical bents, testicular fortitude, spelling skills, typing skills and yada yada yada.

Speaking strictly as a mod.......I have no interest and less patience with trying to play baby sitter.
 
4x made comments negative and untrue about my beliefs that had not even been shared in this thread, I feel he was just trying to throw mud instead of talk facts. You're right we're getting nowhere and I myself had dropped this but yet again somebody starting making excuses for poor Jimmy.

My final thought on this is how would you ever know if violence could have been avoided if you strike first. I'm not meaning this as an actual question just something to think about.
 
Originally posted by Oldgoat@Aug 22 2003, 07:26 PM
Much rather it be settled face to face than use a car to settle it. Sorry, but sometimes I think that violence is what then end result will be. What I raise my kids isn't any of your business for one thing, but I don't expect them to run away and apologize when they are in the right either.
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Reminds me of the Harvick/Biffle confrontation in the Busch series.
 
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