Kyle Busch and the shootout.

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First, lets make sure KB fans don't take this the wrong way. This thread isn't about taking glory from Kyle, because he ran one hell of a race. He's one of the guys who actually raced the whole night, and I respect that.

I started this thread because I like to really understand what ACTUALLY happened after all the emotions settle. Often, we hear the announcer blame a driver for a wreck, but when you replay it on the DVR, reality is completely different. Lots of people are amazed by Kyle's SECOND save of the night while I'm not overly impressed with his car control, even though he did save the car from getting bent up.

I'm much more impressed with the first save where he gets turned further and over corrects twice (turns too far back up, then turns too far down and hits the apron again) but kept the tires on the car. 20 seconds in.

In the second save, he doesn't get turned as far to the left (20 seconds) but over corrects 3 or 4 times, turning himself more to the left each time he hits the apron, and finally spins down to the grass. He pits for 4 tires ( 2 minutes) and restarts 8th. He survived, but IMO, he displayed better car control in the first save.

When Kyle was giving his post race interview, he said that the first save was luck, but he learned what to do for the next time. He went on to say that the second save was all skill, because he learned what to do in his first "lucky" save earlier in the race.

Both saves allowed him to continue and get an epic win, so which save do you think shows better car control?
 
"He went on to say that the second save was all skill"...................:sarcasm:

Blind squirrels find nuts all the time...
 
"He went on to say that the second save was all skill"...................:sarcasm:

Blind squirrels find nuts all the time...

There's no question Kyle is one hell of a driver. I just think he did beter when he simply went with his reactions and then did too much thinking the second time.

Just my opinion.
 
Ok so he did get tires after the second save, I wasn't sure about that. Explains why he was able to do what he did at the end of the race. I heard him say that the second time he was glad that he was out of camera angle at one point, because he didn't do as good a job as the first time. Either way he drove an outstanding race and never gave up.
 
Most of the saves drivers make are mostly luck. I remember once someone asked a driver how he managed such a miracle save and he said ' donno I had my eyes closed the whole time' Kenny Schrader ,maybe?
 
Ok so he did get tires after the second save, I wasn't sure about that. Explains why he was able to do what he did at the end of the race. I heard him say that the second time he was glad that he was out of camera angle at one point, because he didn't do as good a job as the first time. Either way he drove an outstanding race and never gave up.

OK, I guess that makes Kyles comments about pure skill just a little self promotion.

Most of the saves drivers make are mostly luck. I remember once someone asked a driver how he managed such a miracle save and he said ' donno I had my eyes closed the whole time' Kenny Schrader ,maybe?

It's great when Schrader is in the booth. One of the funniest lines I've ever heard came after some crybaby driver was complaining about getting bumped around. "He's mad? We didn't get upset until we were upside down and burning". Funny, and sadly true.
 
No doubt he did a better job saving his car the 2nd time than the 24 (who was trying to take him out) did in saving his. But I also felt like what he did after saving his car and with the smoke coming from the tires he probably had his hands full. No doubt Kyle has the potential to be one of the greatest but as I have said before he just needs a better attitude to go with it.
 
It looks like everyone, including Kyle, thought the first save was pure luck, and the better save of the two. Finally Kyle and I agree on something. I'll have to call him and share the happy news. :D
 
First save was better, the only reason anyone could say the 2nd was a good save was because he wasn't the car on his roof.
 
Maybe it's just me but I find it pretty amusing that there is a debate going on as to which of Kyle's saves were better, the first or the second. This season can not get started soon enough. Oh, and that's not a slam at anyone as I actually have been following what people think. How much does that say about me? :D

Boogity, Boogity, Boogity, Let's Go Racin Boys & Girl!
 
There are very few drivers in the history of NA$$CAR who could have made EITHER of the saves that Pee Wee made during the course of the Bud Shootout. IMO, asking which save was "better" is like asking which of Jimmie-Chad's Championships is "better"...

Interesting question, FB.
 
It seemed that everyone was gaga over the second save and ignored the better save. Some people even thought he saved the tires and finished the race without pitting. Take it as a lesson in how TV camera angles and missed shots mess up peoples impressions. It's also why the talking heads get so much wrong. The truck feeds some playback to a tiny screen as quick as they can, and TV personalities who should know better decide they know EXACTLY what happened. Even when the truck gets it right with the footage to play back, guys like DW refuse to change their mind from their first incorrect impression.

We have the luxury of DVR's, and I sure use it to figure these things out. Sometimes what REALLY happened goes directly to something that happens later in the season between 2 drivers.
 
There's a lot of fans out there that do cheer for the wrecks. I'd rather see a caution free event myself.
 
I like wrecks when it gets the 48 or 88 back on the lead lap. And I hate wrecks when they get Carl, Kyle, or Kevin back on the lead lap.
 
I like wrecks when it gets the 48 or 88 back on the lead lap. And I hate wrecks when they get Carl, Kyle, or Kevin back on the lead lap.

You must really love it when Carl, Kyle, or Kevin wreck and JJ or Jr get back on the LL.
 
Funny thing is, I have a friend who is the spitting image of Carl Edwards from 10 feet away. He's a good guy, but I never go over his house because of his wifes yapping freakin' Chiwawa. He calls it bobby tippy. I asked him why, and he says "The dogs a retard, so he deserves a retarded name". lol Pisses his wife off to no end.
 
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