Kyle Busch needs to GROW UP!!

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Once again KB showed his true "Busch" heritage this weekend by throwing his HANS device at Casey Mears for an accident that was completely a "racing thing" When will KB learn to control his emotions and look at replays before he goes off half-****ed and does something dumb like throwing stuff at cars. Mears simply lost it and collected KB, it was not intentional but try and tell KB that.

The classy thing to do would have been to apologize on ceamera when he was interviewed since I am sure he would have seen the vieo replay by then but did he....Nope...because he has no class obviously.
 
I wouldn't throw the HANS device if I was a racecar driver, why would KB do that?
 
I was hoping Kyle would have more class than Kurt when he moved up from Busch. So much for that......I guess it runs in the family.
 
Is it just me, or what? I've seen this action many times before and it's never gotten the response that it gets when a Busch is doing it. Through the years, it's been funny to watch the guys loose their tempers and throw things at the passing car they felt were responsible for taking them out of the race. Hell, even Bobby Labonte has done this sort of thing. Now when a Busch does it, and to some extent Tony Stewart, it's like they are the worst of the worst. I guess it's the personality of the thrower and not the throwee that really counts. When Kurt Busch was the recipient of a fist to the helmet, he was the bad guy. I know for a fact that had Kurt thrown that fist, he would have still been the bad guy.

So I guess we all know who really is the bad guys here and it really doesn't matter what they do. Just showing up at the track makes them the ogre and that really makes them try harder, whether to make people more mad at them or as in Kurt's place, to try and turn things around. Rusty Wallace interviewed about this situation and tells of how he was really disliked during the early time of his carreer and it took him years to change things. I imagine that sort of thing will happen with Kurt and Kyle, if they are able to continue in their carreers for many more years.
 
Well Kyle has two things working against him. 1st he's a Busch so he's going to be judged by his brother's actions as well. 2nd he's a Hendrick driver. That combination will not allow him to be judged fairly.
 
I think it is funny to see drivers throwing things at other race cars...whoever the thrower is!
Think about it a minute or two. I betcha you could stand flat-footed and beat on a race car for 5 minutes with a hans device and not leave a mark! So what does it say when one is thrown? What danger is there?
I like the thought it left in my head about Kyle. He thought he could win that race and someone elses stupidity took him out.. I would have been a bit outraged too.
Betsy
 
The Busch boys have earned their reputations through nothing but their own actions - on and off the track. Adults throwing things at one another is immature and childish.
 
Yeh that is true, but both those boys bring stuff down on themselves, it is not just us the fans giving them the guilty verdict before they are judged. I was in Charlotte getting a connecting flight to Vegas for the race this year. I had a long delay because of weather so i had time to waste. Clint Bowyer and one of the XM radio hosts were chatting about Nascar 2 seats down from me, i couldn't help overhearing their conversation. When the topic of the Bush Boys came up, Bowyer pulled no punches by saying they are 2 of the most arrogant drivers in the garage, not liked by many of the other drivers, in the Cup and Busch. Clint is a pretty laid back guy , for him to say that kind of surprised me. I think if the 2 of them grow out of this attitude of thinking they are better than everyone else, they might just be liked some day by the masses rather than the few.
 
buckaroo said:
When Kurt Busch was the recipient of a fist to the helmet, he was the bad guy.
Rusty Wallace interviewed about this situation and tells of how he was really disliked during the early time of his carreer and it took him years to change things. I imagine that sort of thing will happen with Kurt and Kyle, if they are able to continue in their carreers for many more years.
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Ah, but look beyond the surface. Kurt was reviled for his attitude. Kurt expressed arrogance over Spencer. People dislike an arrogant attitude.

Rusty. Recall how Rusty fell into disfavor ?? He earned it ! He replaced Darrrell Waltrip, who for years was the driver fans hated most because of his mouth and arrogance. Until "The Winston" when Rusty dumped Darrell in the last turn, and the fans instantly made Rusty, a driver with reasonably high popularity, "the bad guy". This error in judgement removed Darrell from the "bad guy" list to becoming a more popular driver.
Rusty has since admitted if he had it to do all over again, he never woulda dumped Darrell. Rusty's reason, because of the cost to him in fan base and overall popularity.

Shortly after that incident, Roger Penske hired the "****y" Rusty Wallace and brought him from "the bad guy" back to fan popularity. Roger will do the same thing with Kurt Busch.

Both Kurt and Kyle Busch are exceptionally talented drivers and they know it.
Kurt and Kyle seem to invite fan disgust through thier attitude and for those who dislike the Busch Brothers, they are here to stay so get used to it. Let's all hope age will mellow the arrogant attitude. :)
 
I think in the case of Bobby Labonte and Tony Stewart, the "anger" was justified. The "action" was a trilfe childish, but they were in the heat of "battle" so to speak. Bobby and Tony were really taken out needlessly by a careless drivers actions. In this case, with Kyle, he was NOT deliberately taken out, and his childish tantrum was not justified. This has been typical of the Busch brothers. Kurt has improved in the last year, but Kyle still has to "grow up". Both are "spoiled brats", in my opinion.
I listened to Kyles interview after his meeting in the "oval" trailer, and was dismayed that he did not apologize to Casey. Again, a lack of maturity.
 
dragonlady424 said:
I listened to Kyles interview after his meeting in the "oval" trailer, and was dismayed that he did not apologize to Casey. Again, a lack of maturity.
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Mabey he's going to apologize after the race, in person, which mens a heck of a lot more.
 
The whole point I was making is that at the moment, it doesn't matter who or what is in the right when it comes to either of the Busch boys, the masses will not go for it.

Some people love to be in the middle of this type of situation. Here in WS, we have a six time track champ who revels in the fact that he is probably the most booed driver at the track. He even boasts that one time the late Dale Earnhardt told him that if he was booed so much that he must be doing something wrong.

We need charactors like the Busch boys, if only to add to the excitement of the sport. For those who dislike the two boys, doesn't it feel great when something happens to them and they are taken out of the game? Or even better, they are passed at the last moment and don't win? If they weren't in the race, you would miss this sort of thing...and btw, for you Busch haters, you were treated doubly so Sunday. Ain't life great? :)
 
As far as throwing the HANS device, sure it was childish. Am I going to revile him for it, no. Too many others have done the same thing, for the same reasons.

Mears and Kyle have a history this year and that may have set Kyle off. I'm hoping that he will realize that upon further review, the accident was not intentional --- just a racin' deal.
 
i didnt get a chance to watch the race, did Busch get fined or deducted points?
 
So what? How many drivers have pitched a hissy fit and thrown everything from a fist to a helmet?
Let's face it people, they are RACERS first and foremost and don't live in glass houses.
 
I didn't see anything that was out of character here so what is the big deal?...lol What comes around goes around that is what usually happens. :growl:
 
I wonder what would happen to any one of us if we showed up for work and starting throwing stuff around? Just because they drive a race car doesn't mean they get a free ride to be an ***.
 
I've seen most of those guys make an ass of themselves, so this isn't the first time and it certainly won't be the last time. Their job isn't like most of ours and is highly stressful and the adrenalin flows freely almost all the time. We've seen it happen time and time again that when someone is taken out of the race, that person opens his mouth and inserts his foot. Some guys flap their jaws while others do other things. Throwing something at a car is much better than using that said car to do damage.

I do believe that this thing is being way overblown. I think that our own biases are getting in the way.
 
buckaroo said:
I do believe that this thing is being way overblown. I think that our own biases are getting in the way.
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Couldn't agree more, buckaroo!
 
He is young and stupid. That's all it is. I'm sure he felt like an idiot when he saw the replay and calmed down.
 
kam said:
He is young and stupid. That's all it is. I'm sure he felt like an idiot when he saw the replay and calmed down.
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Well I have been reading all the posts before I responded again and Kam's response is one of the main points I was trying to make. KB was obviously wrong in his assessment of the situation but even after having the opportunity to review the video and learn this fact he still failed to "grow up" and acknowledge that he was wrong in thorwing the HANS and that it was not an intential act by Mears.

Yes, other drivers have done this but like Dragonlady said
I think in the case of Bobby Labonte and Tony Stewart, the "anger" was justified. The "action" was a trilfe childish, but they were in the heat of "battle" so to speak. Bobby and Tony were really taken out needlessly by a careless drivers actions. In this case, with Kyle, he was NOT deliberately taken out, and his childish tantrum was not justified.
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, which was the whole point of my intial post. And oh by teh way I only posted because I thought it would make for good conversation and debate, I guess I was right. :cool:
 
If people want to give him a free pass and let him off the hook by saying he's young, fans are biased...go ahead. Let's be honest here, who among us can go out in public, act that way and get away with it?

The only thing blown out of proportion is the idea that we, the fans, should simply look the other way whenever one of these spoiled brats think it's okay to pitch a fit everytime something doesn't go their way.

Maybe someone could explain how it's any different when someone on this forum starts calling other members names and insulting them. Then again, it's pretty hard to throw stuff on the internet.
 
Seems like Kyle wasn't the only Busch Brother in trouble at Lowes:

http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/hea...owes/index.html

CONCORD, N.C. -- Memorial Day weekend was not kind to either of the Busch brothers at Lowe's Motor Speedway.

Even though older brother Kurt ran very well on Saturday night in the Busch Series race, he had a run-in with a Lowe's Motor Speedway security guard on Friday night. On Sunday, he spun and crashed on Lap 67, damaging his No. 2 Dodge. He eventually finished 39th.

Later in the race, younger brother Kyle was involved in a crash on Lap 314 that saw him get tagged by a sliding Casey Mears off Turn 4. The contact turned Busch's Chevrolet into the frontstretch wall and out of the race. The two had been running in the top 10 when the incident occurred.

An obviously annoyed Busch slammed the window net down, grabbed his HANS device and headed toward the track while being restrained by NASCAR officials. As one NASCAR official kept a hold of his right arm, Busch threw his HANS device at Mears as he went by on the track.

For the record, the $1,750 head-and-neck restraint bounced harmlessly off Mears' car.

Upon being released from the infield care center, Busch chalked up his reaction to frustration.

"There's not much I could have done different," Busch said. "Casey lost it off Turn 4 and I was trying to turn down, but I didn't want to spin myself out in the process. He collected me and sent me into the fence.

"You've got to be frustrated at somebody for taking out such a great racecar like that," Busch continued. "It was capable of winning the race, really. We were coming along right there at the end of the run, kind of clicking them off and coming through the field. I was very happy with the handling, and then Casey just lost it."

For his actions, the younger Busch was summoned to the NASCAR trailer, along with crew chief Alan Gustafson. Results of that discussion will be released Tuesday. NASCAR officials had no comment Sunday night.

Mears continued on in the race with a damaged car, eventually finishing two laps down in 23rd.
 
From NASCAR.com

CONCORD, N.C. -- Casey Mears made up 45 points on Kyle Busch in the Nextel Cup point standings during Sunday's race at Lowe's Motor Speedway.

He expects to make up a few more when NASCAR penalizes Busch for throwing a HANS device at his car during the race.

Kyle Busch had to be restrained from going after Casey Mears. Credit: AP

"It's one of those things where in the old days, when somebody would react like that you could go back and deal with it in another way, maybe behind the garage or in the truck,'' Mears said Tuesday during a break in the Car of Tomorrow test at LMS.

"Nowadays, guys like Kyle realize they can get away with doing things like that and know you can't retaliate. NASCAR realizes that and I think they're going to do something about it.''

Robin Pemberton, NASCAR's vice president for competition, said officials may not announce sanctions until Wednesday.

Such incidents in the past have resulted in a fine and loss of points. Robby Gordon was fined $25,000, 25 driver points and 25 owner points for throwing his helmet at Michael Waltrip's car last season at New Hampshire.

"One thing you shouldn't do is try to get on the racetrack,'' Pemberton said. "And the other thing is you shouldn't be throwing things at people. It's the way it is.''

Busch had to be restrained by a track official as he tried to walk onto the speedway to throw the HANS, which barely missed Mears' car.

He was reacting to being caught up in a spinout by Mears, who lost control about a car length ahead of Busch. Mears went on to finish 23rd, two laps down.

Busch was knocked out of the race and finished 39th, falling from seventh to ninth in points, only 63 ahead of Mears in 11th place.

"Obviously, I didn't try to do anything intentional,'' Mears said. "I had a pretty good car, and at that point it got really loose and got up high and I was trying to save it as best as I could.

"Kyle got caught up in a mess that really wasn't his fault. I can understand how he would get upset, but he definitely way overreacted.''

Mears said it was no different than at Phoenix when Busch bumped his car during a red flag situation after the two collided. NASCAR penalized Busch five laps for that incident.

"At Phoenix he ran into me on the straightaway and then he cut his left rear tire and crashed and then came back and hit me afterwards,'' Mears said. "I just happen to be the guy in the right place at the right time for all that stuff.''

Mears said Busch hasn't called to apologize or discuss the incident.

"I saw his interview after the race,'' he said. "Obviously, he was in the truck [NASCAR hauler] and they talked to him. He was Mr. Nice Guy after that, which everybody would be.

"But at the same time he's always Mr. Nice Guy after that. At some point he's got to learn how to carry himself a little better, grow up a little bit and not react like that.''

Rusty Wallace, in his weekly column for ESPN.com, said somebody needs to "kick his ass.''

"If I had been there I'd have stopped, backed up and got out of the car, and smacked Busch's face off,'' Wallace said. "Then I would have gotten back in the car and took off.

"That was a ridiculous and embarrassing move. Seriously though, the problem is he keeps doing this stuff. You would think he would learn, but he just keeps doing it. I don't like it when somebody disrespects the sport, and that's what he's doing right now. ''
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Yeah, Mister Wallace can say anything now that he's not in a car. That comment about how he would have stopped the car, got out and smacked Busch's face off was rediculous and about as immature as the actions of Busch. The only difference in what happened Sunday and in the past, way back is that NASCAR is trying to be something they weren't when they began. Sponsorship is everything and that means that the guys cannot act as though they are trailer trash fighting at the local Saturday night races. Personally, there are times in which these types of incidents are much more exciting than the race itself.
 
No fighting at our local track. If you do, you are escorted out, fined, and suspended for a few races. The other local tracks in East Tn have about the same rules on fighting. :)
I don't consider our local racers and myself trailer trash either. :rolleyes:
 
Whoa, I never said that people who go to local races are trailer trash. Fer cryin' out loud, I never miss a night at the local track and I certainly don't live in a trailer. Sorry I used the pajoritive, but I think that most people know what I meant. And, I wasn't really talking about the people in the stands. My track doesn't put up with any crap either and any fighting or anything like that, and the police will be there in a snap. I can tell you however, that the majority of the drivers out there on the track are not what we would call from the upper crust and are grease monkies who are mechanics first and love to race. Most probably don't own a suit and would never be seen in public with a tie. But when it comes to tuning an engine, these are the guys to call on and their love of the sport is second to none. The guys who make millions of dollars these days in NASCAR are the recipients of something that those early grease monkies made. Rusty is a throwback to those early years and when he came up through the ranks, he might have been known to throw a few punches. He was driving for his family and sponsorship was a minor thing even though they needed it. In those days, the sponsors didn't hold that much power over a team or a driver either. With Rusty's background and his greatness, had he done what he said he would do, he would have gotten into trouble for sure, but because of who he is, it most certainly wouldn't be as bad as a Kyle Busch from today.
 
My brother races at our local track, I guess I get a bit defensive. :) Nice to know that you weren't downing them. :) They work very hard.
 
One track i have been to in the drivers meeting they said "if you try to start a fight, the jail is just down the road, we will call the state police, and they said if they have to use the tax payers money, someone is going with them."
 
kelloggs5TLfan said:
No fighting at our local track. If you do, you are escorted out, fined, and suspended for a few races. The other local tracks in East Tn have about the same rules on fighting. :)
I don't consider our local racers and myself trailer trash either. :rolleyes:
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East TN? Where do you live and race at?
 
Busch knows he must keep emotions in check
Another tantrum like the one at Lowe's could result in suspension
By David Newton, NASCAR.COM
June 2, 2006
06:00 PM EDT (22:00 GMT)




DOVER, Del. -- Kyle Busch is a changed man.

NASCAR made sure of it.

Busch said the threat of suspension the next time he loses his temper as he did after crashing out of Sunday's Coca-Cola 600 makes it necessary for him to change the way he handles adversity.

The 21-year-old Busch was fined $50,000, docked 25 driver points and placed on probation for the rest of the season after tossing his HANS device at Casey Mears' car, which spun out in front of him to cause the accident.

"There won't be a next time, because I know what the consequences are going to be,'' Busch said before Friday's qualifying at Dover International Speedway. "You just have to basically go the Carl Edwards route: 'Oh, gosh darn. We wrecked. We're just going to have come back and get 'em next week.'

"You're going to lose a fiery side, but basically that's what this sport has to endure right now.''

That doesn't mean Busch will sacrifice his aggressive attitude on the track.

"The probation has to do with the off-the-track stuff,'' he said. "It doesn't have anything to do with on-track.''


Busch admitted his reaction at LMS had more to do with his history with Mears, who has been critical of Busch's aggressive driving since the opener at Daytona, than the accident.

"There's been some areas there where he's had words but he hasn't had words with me,'' Busch said.

The two also were involved in a crash at Phoenix that Mears said was Busch's fault. Afterward, Busch drove his car into Mears' under a red-flag situation to earn a five-lap penalty and trip to the NASCAR hauler.

Busch acknowledged he let his temper get the better of him at LMS, that the situation could have been avoided had he been able to drive the car to the garage, gone to his hauler and "probably torn up the lounge.''

"I was so worked up driving on my way home about the incident and what I had done, and then the day after you start worrying about what's going to happen,'' he said.

"At the time I'm thinking this isn't a very good idea, but I'll react later. I need to start switching my mind back and say the reaction is not going to be very good, so let's do something a little different.''

Busch has fallen from fifth and only 101 points behind leader Jimmie Johnson after six races to 10th and 449 points behind Johnson after 12. He is only 38 points ahead of 11th-place Mears, which has gotten his attention as much as NASCAR.

"I'm more concerned with missing the Chase by 25 points right now,'' Busch said. "We've got some ground to make up.''
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