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I give it a 9!! Taking a half point off because my guy didn't win...and another half point for the two hour rain delay before the race even started!! :) Otherwise, excellent racing all racing laps (can't count the green/caution laps at the beginning). No big one and no one could know who would win with 10 to go!! :D :cheers: :cheers:

Yeehaw...........another great restrictor plate race!! :bounce: :bounce:
 
I give a 8.8 only because Kenseth was wrecked and the whole rain delay part, and the fact that my guy didn't win...
 
I GIVE IT A BIG FAT 10

Way to go JEFF!!!!

"C" WHAT? CONGRATS TO PEPSI!!!!!

DEI so far has lost its reign of RP Tracks this year
 
I'll give it a .2 because it's a RP race and now I lost a bet and gotta buy a Jeffy T-shirt
 
Man that has got to hurt about having to buy a Jeffy shirt!! :(
 
I give it a 10 because my two guys finished 1 and 2!!!!
 
Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Jul 4 2004, 12:49 AM
Man that has got to hurt about having to buy a Jeffy shirt!! :(
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LOL!!!!

This race sure changed MY mind about Plate racing!!!!

Not just because MY jeff won, but necause it was clean, sometimes side by side, thrilling, and I give it a 9.5 (my best rating EVER)

I even enjoyed the fox interviews during the rain delay!!!!!
 
I just dont like rp races, didnt see anything tonite that was any diffrent. I give it a 4 only because jeff won his second pole and race in a row, not to mention getting back to 3rd in points pos.
 
I've bought more than one Jeffy shirt..........but, hey, it's all fun!! Even when Jeff climbs in the points standings!! Watch out Jr, the snake is in that clump of grass over there!! :eek: :eek:
 
I'll give it an 8.

Pretty good action, but it was brutal for me to sit through the rain delay and I absolutly hate starting the race under caution. If the track isn't race worthy, then don't start the race until it is.
 
Well i actually ended up watching 3/4 of the race , the local saturday night track got over kind of early. It was an ok race, i think Nascar needed it that is for sure ...no incidents that i could see. I'll give it a 5 only because it didn't have the big one , otherwise i'd give it a 1 because i hate RP racing.
 
I have to rate this one as a 8.5.
Took 1.5 away for the stupidity of starting the race under yellow again!!!
Like the poster above said, "if the track isn't ready,
DON'T start the race!" I always thought races couldn't start
without beung under Green anyway. This is the second time
NASCASH has done this.
The race itself, once underway, I rate a 10!!!!

And I am sooooooooooooooooo happy that Jeff
and the HMS team all finished in the top 10!!!
YAAAAAAAAA Hoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Happy Independance Day, America!!!!!
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Originally posted by dragonlady424@Jul 4 2004, 09:41 AM
"if the track isn't ready,
DON'T start the race!" I always thought races couldn't start
without beung under Green anyway. This is the second time
NASCASH has done this.
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I've seen races start under yellow before..........actually more than just a few times. Those cars with 1000 degree exhaust pipes just inches above the pavement do a lot to heat the pavement and dry the track. And it allows the jet dryers to run down pit road to dry that area........hard to do with 43 cars lined up there. And it gives the drivers confidence that the track is truly dry. There is reasoning behind the practice........pretty sound reasoning too. But, that doesn't make me like it any better. :)
 
I give it a 10........10.........10.............

happy that MY JEFF WON.......... :D
 

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DE-W2, I don't argue the reasoning behind allowing the cars to circle the track.
BUT!!!!! Don't count the dam laps!!!!! They are NOT racing till the race starts.
That's all I don't like about it.
 
Originally posted by dragonlady424@Jul 4 2004, 12:05 PM
DE-W2, I don't argue the reasoning behind allowing the cars to circle the track.
BUT!!!!!  Don't count the dam laps!!!!!  They are NOT racing till the race starts.
That's all I don't like about it.
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I'm with you, dragonlady. I understand it, but I don't have to like it. LOL

Don't count those laps.
 
Well that would play havoc with their fuel mileage calculations, huh? :D I never said I liked it, but that's the way it is. Besides, that would entail another rule change..........thought we were up to our ears with those!!! :D :bounce:
 
Consider it was plate racing, I'll give it a 8 (mainly cause of the last 30 laps).
 
I have to say I did not watch the whole race yesterday, and I did not give it a fair rating. Today I watched it again from the tape I recorded. Anyway I have to say after watching the entire race, and reading driver interviews after the race. I have to say daytona has came a long way from what it use to be (in a good way).

The main reason I did not like rp tracks was because of the danger of drivers wrecking, and getting seriously injured or worse. Nascar seems to have straightened daytona out to where the only way a big one is going to happen as if someone does something stupid on a restart.

Therefore I change my rating to a 7.

This has nothing to do with talladega though, for which I know it will be the same wreckfest as always.
 
Originally posted by TonyB@Jul 4 2004, 09:26 AM
I'll give it an 8.

Pretty good action, but it was brutal for me to sit through the rain delay and I absolutly hate starting the race under caution. If the track isn't race worthy, then don't start the race until it is.
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I agree TonyB,Jeff Gordon got 10 bonus points for that race,when He actually only earned 5 bonus points,as Jeff led 61 laps and Michael Waltrip led 57 laps,take away the 9 laps led under the green/yellow flags and Jeff would have had led just 52 laps and thus Michael would have rightfully received the 10 bonus points. ;)
Jeff's one of My fave drivers,but fair should be fair. :D
I've seen other races started under the green/yellow flags and do not think it's right,mainly because quite frequently the pole-sitter fails to lead lap 1 and indeed sometimes goes on to never lead one single lap for the whole race and therefore would receive no bonus points,except those 5 points awarded by NASCAR under the green/yellow laps led,it's not right IMHO. ;)
 
24thunder, are you drinking or on drugs?

1st off, to make what you're suggesting fair you would have to start not counting any yellow flag laps. The leader at the time always gets credit for leading laps under yellow. How about them races were they ran so many laps under yellow, the leader at the time got credit for leading those laps.
I don't like starting under yellow, as TonyB said "if the track ain't ready, don't start the race." BUT if they do start the race that way the pole sitter has to get credit for those laps.
 
Now that is a silly idea! How about all the times a race
is finished under caution and the leader is credited
with all those laps led???? Are you saying that we need
ANOTHER rule about NOT counting caution laps?????

In my post about startint the race under caution, I merely
stated that they should NOT start a race under caution.
That they really aren't even racing yet!!! Just out there to
facilitate drying thje track!

No. The points, under the present system were assigned per
the existing rules!!!
And there is no arguing that point!
 
i give matt kenseth a 9 because he was running good at the begining of the race and then because of ward burton he tore up matts car and that was the end of my man racing that night
 
Well, I don't think 24 thunder was suggesting another rule, just making a point that by starting the race as a green/ yellow situation, the outcome of the bonus points for the race were effected.

It's called an arguement to support your position. In this case the position is don't start races under green/ yellow conditions. One of the arguements against starting under green/yellow is that it can effect the bonus points awarded.

Here's my argument against green/yellow starts.

The only thing that happens when a race starts under green/ yellow conditions is that the laps start counting earlier on the clock. What possible benefit does that have? It makes it more likely that the race will get to the 1/2 way point and therefore be an official race. Case in point the 2003 Daytona 500. The start was moved up and several laps were run prior to the scheduled start. As a matter of fact, enough laps were run that had they not been run, the race would not have been 1/2 way over when it was declared an official race and it would have to have been completed Monday.

That's my arguement. The only purpose is to jip fans out of the possibility of seeing a full race run.
 
Tony, I don't think any of us are disagreeing about the starting under yellow flag. I personally hate it. I understand the need to dry pit road without the cars on it but if it takes nine or ten laps to dry it bring all the cars down pit road for a splash and go and reline them in the starting order for a proper green flag start.

The point I was making was to say those laps affected the out come of the points in one sense it is true. But no truer than to say all those laps led under caution when Ryan spun out on pit road a few weeks ago. Those laps were credited to whom ever was leading at the time. Go back through and check races, caution laps led and I'm sure you'll find it's made the difference many times of bonus points.
I think the NOT starting a race under caution is a very strong argument on its own merits
 
Originally posted by Eagle1@Jul 5 2004, 03:07 PM
Tony, I don't think any of us are disagreeing about the starting under yellow flag. I personally hate it. I understand the need to dry pit road without the cars on it but if it takes nine or ten laps to dry it bring all the cars down pit road for a splash and go and reline them in the starting order for a proper green flag start.

The point I was making was to say those laps affected the out come of the points in one sense it is true. But no truer than to say all those laps led under caution when Ryan spun out on pit road a few weeks ago. Those laps were credited to whom ever was leading at the time. Go back through and check races, caution laps led and I'm sure you'll find it's made the difference many times of bonus points.
I think the NOT starting a race under caution is a very strong argument on its own merits
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I was merely saying that NASCAR shouldn't start a race under green/yellow flag conditions,because of several reasons,other than the ones already correctly provided by TonyB-and thanks btw for Ur comments,the drivers in the back of the field have that much less time/distance to try and advance to the front,granted at a plate race this wouldn't be that big of a deal,but at a short track or road course especially it could essentially effect the outcome of the race.

Under the current rules,yes Jeff did deserves the 10 bonus points as those early 9 laps counted as green,I wasn't disputing that,I was basically saying that Jeff Gordon didn't lead the first ACTUAL GREEN FLAG LAP and if those yellow/green flag laps were never ran,then Jeff actually led 5 fewer laps than Michael Waltrip,actually Michael probably would have also led those 9 early laps and therefore had led 66 laps,instaed of 57.
Hope that explains it.No,I'm not on drugs and/or alcohol :p
 
If they took the plates off it'd be awesome, well the race deserves a 6.5 same ol RP race for me.
 
I'll give it a 7... Way to strung out... way to much follow the leader... not really racing...
 
Originally posted by Mrs.Nascar20+Jul 6 2004, 03:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mrs.Nascar20 @ Jul 6 2004, 03:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Eagle1@Jul 5 2004, 10:40 AM
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So are you Thunder? :D :D [/b][/quote]
Are U? :lol: I answered the Guy in My previous post,did U miss it?uummm... :lol: :D
 
Originally posted by 24thunder+Jul 6 2004, 05:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (24thunder @ Jul 6 2004, 05:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
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@Jul 5 2004, 10:40 AM
24thunder, are you drinking or on drugs?
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So are you Thunder? :D :D
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Are U? :lol: I answered the Guy in My previous post,did U miss it?uummm... :lol: :D [/b][/quote]
Relax, just joking with you <_<
 
Originally posted by Mrs.Nascar20+Jul 6 2004, 05:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mrs.Nascar20 @ Jul 6 2004, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
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@Jul 5 2004, 10:40 AM
24thunder, are you drinking or on drugs?
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So are you Thunder? :D :D
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Are U? :lol: I answered the Guy in My previous post,did U miss it?uummm... :lol: :D
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Relax, just joking with you <_< [/b][/quote]
I know,I was also j/k.Hence the grin and laugh icons. ;)
 
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