Lets Stir The Pot

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1. Mark Martin thought that perhaps Nascar did not have to throw a caution when Harvick stalled on pit road. They could have easily pushed him off. Your opinion.

2. Do you think that Edwards should backed off a bit for Jr. Keep in mind that Edwards wasn't going anywhere with only 2 new tires and Jr was in the hunt. Your opinion again.
 
On the first: Mark was dead wrong.

On the second: Carl did nothing wrong.......he was racing for position.
 
On the first, Mark is wrong. They HAVE to wave the caution when a car is stopped on pit road!!!! They did when Jeff G. stalled too. Stay consistant withthe rules!!!!

On the second, Carl did lift a bit; but as HE sais, not enough. What did you want????? Should Carl have parked it so Jr could safely cut him off?????????
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What DEW said....Mark needs to stop whinning again. And Edwards did nothing wrong.....Don't know if you could call it "cutting him off", like he did it on purpose, but what did the spotter tell him?
 
Mark was sure frustrated, but I can't agree with him.

Edwards tried to give JR. room, but if he had lifted anymore than he did he would have been in trouble himself. even JR. took the blame for that and could have really blamed the spotter.
 
1. If it wouldn't have been that Mark would have complained about something.

2. Carl didn't do anything wrong. JR moved up on him.
 
I'm in agreement with the rest of you here.
Really nothing to stir the pot about.

I'm sure if Mark was sitting on pit road as Kevin was and one of the accidents occurred where cars went sliding through the grass to pit road and one slammed into him his opinion would change. :rolleyes:
 
1. In one sense I can see Mark's point. But all season a car on pit road has been treated like one on the track. As badly as I would have liked to see Mark get this one, it was the consistent call, and I like consistency from TPTB. Ergo, right call. That wasn't what cost Mark the race anyway, was it Sammich Boy? :angry:

2. Junior cut Carl off, he admitted as much, and paid for it. End of story. Crucify the spotter if anyone is to blame.
 
was it Sammich Boy?
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No I don't believe it was. Mark made the decision not to pit and stay out with old tires. Biffle was doing just what a racer is supposed to do. Mark better get a beer and sit around crying about everyone picking on him.
Jr was man enough to admit he screwed up and wrecked himself.
Matt took the blame for his motor blowing cause of the gear he chose to run. Mark made a wrong call and is trying to blame the oputcome on anything or anyone but the one that made the decision.
 
Originally posted by dragonlady424@Oct 31 2004, 06:33 PM
On the first, Mark is wrong. They HAVE to wave the caution when a car is stopped on pit road!!!! They did when Jeff G. stalled too. Stay consistant withthe rules!!!!

On the second, Carl did lift a bit; but as HE sais, not enough. What did you want????? Should Carl have parked it so Jr could safely cut him off?????????
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Please understand the thread topic. I am not saying either way that the caution should or should not have been thrown. Same as Edwards and Jr. Only asking the question.
 
1. I see Marks point but thats the way the cards are dealt.

2. Idiotic move by Jr and/or his spotter. Carl did nothing wrong.
 
"Idiotic move by Jr and/or his spotter. "

I knew that was coming. :D

I wouldn't call it idiotic. More taking Carl for granted, thinking he would lift. I know, I know, he squeezed up on Edwards. But give the guy some credit, he had the balls to admit it was his fault. Not many drivers will fess up to that minutes after their race has ended from contact with a non points chase car.


On to next week.
 
Originally posted by Steve007@Oct 31 2004, 06:59 PM
"Idiotic move by Jr and/or his spotter. "

I knew that was coming. :D

I wouldn't call it idiotic. More taking Carl for granted, thinking he would lift. I know, I know, he squeezed up on Edwards. But give the guy some credit, he had the balls to admit it was his fault. Not many drivers will fess up to that minutes after their race has ended from contact with a non points chase car.


On to next week.
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I saw that coming too.......a couple here just can't go without the derogitory comments! Guess Jr should have just settled for 4th instead of trying to win in their minds. Got to admit that that would have the "wiser" thing to do...........if Jr was points racing!! Idiotic? To not go for it is idiotic........but when you hate someone so much, you just can't resist sometimes.
 
Lol! I'm just gonna keep in the back of my mind, the bump draft on Biffle on the front stretch at Lowes that sent him spinning last year.

They all make "idiotic" moves from time to time. They don't all admit to it tho.
 
Much as I like Mark---(DOH!!)----I cannot remember any time a disabled car was pushed off pit road by a wrecker. Frustration in his voice---not a whine. He defended Tryson's decisions and rightfully so. It was racing luck.

Jr. said in a post race interview he moved up into Long. Racing is racing.

I loved to boo Sr. Thought he raced dirty on occasion.

I respect Jr. more than Sr. already!!!!
 
Jr. said in a post race interview he moved up into Long. Racing is racing.

oops, A wee slip of the finger??? LOL

It was Carl Edwards, NOT Carl Long. (Just teasing), LOL
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"To not go for it is idiotic........but when you hate someone so much, you just can't resist sometimes."

Maybe for some. I personally dont hate the 5th place guy in points at all. The MOVE is what I refered to as 'idiotic' not neccesarily the driver. Of course, I guess it's sometimes hard to read with tears in your eyes. :p

Anyway, I have to agree with Steve---every driver has made his share. And some even more than their share it seems.
 
Jr made a mistake by pulling in front of Edwards too soon and admitted his mistake. All drivers sometimes make a mistake. Most drivers would recognize the mistake and let up some rather than cause an accident. I believe that Edwards could have shown a little more courtesy. If it had been Talladega there would have been a real mess. I particularly did not like Carl's comment that "Jr lost".

AND, I am not really a Jr fan. :mellow:
 
Ya know, we're all playing together very nicely on this topic. Our parents and Sunday School teachers would be oh so proud of us.

But let's get real for just one second...

A Roush car involved...another Roush car leading the points...he blew up, points lead now in jeopardy...the car squeezing up the track one of those who stands to gain tremendously...if said squeezer were to (in best Mafioso voice) have a little accident...

I don't think for a second Edwards would have backed off any more than he did. I ain't saying he acted on team orders because, quite frankly, there wasn't time for any orders to be given. Just pointing stuff out as I am wont to do sometimes.

In an era when a living legend (Brett Favre) takes a dive to allow someone (Michael Strahan) to set a record, and in return saving himself from a serious bell ringing if he doesn't dive, anything's possible. It wouldn't shock me to discover that Carl was thinking about a long term contract renewal very soon though...especially when another of Jack's boys didn't exactly play ball a few laps earlier.

There, that got the pot stirred up enough for y'all? :D
 
Okay so everyone seems to think MM is whinnign and that NSACAR was consistant. Got a question, IF NASCAR was going with the consistancy thing then why did they NOT throw a caution when Elliott Salder had problems in the pits. NASCAR allowed Salder who was perpendicular to his pit jack up the car and work on it UNDER GREEN
 
Sadler was IN his pit box and not in the MIDDLE of pit road as was Kevin Harvick. If, as was in the case of Harvick, had to get a wrecker out, then a caution would most likely had been flown.
 
I'm just tired of all this conspiracy stuff, 2nd guessing and speculation.
 
Originally posted by kat2220@Nov 1 2004, 02:56 PM
I'm just tired of all this conspiracy stuff, 2nd guessing and speculation.
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I'm just curious...ever been a racing fan before? I mean, speculation, second guessing and to some degree conspiracies have been around for as long as I have followed racing, which is right at 30 years. I know "conspiracy" stuff goes all the way back to Petty/Pearson if not before.

I am seriously not trying to hurt anyone's feelings here...if I were I could do better than this...but c'mon. Can't reinvent the wheel either. If Monday Morning quarterbacking were banned,sports as we know it would be dull and boring, and no reason to discuss it.

Just asking...nothing more. Put the guillotine away...
 
Actually I don't think that it is conspiracy, second guessing or speculating. My opinion is simply that I thought that Edwards should have let up a bit when Jr made his mistake. Drivers cut a little slack all the time to avoid an accident when other drivers make a mistake. Of course, there are a few drivers that don't give a darn. :) :p :lol:
 
I believe that Edwards stated that he DID lift, just no enough. They were going for the same piece of real estate, and Jr. just got the nose of Edwards car. As far as Edwards "giving way" just because Jr. is in the C4C, well that is not racing. This is just my opinion, and I would have the SAME opinion no matter what two drivers were involved. :cheers:
 
I thought that both parties involved agreed completely on what happened. I also think Edwards was under no obligation to lift and Jr. doesn't pack it in and race for 5th or 6th.

Edwards is definitely making some noise with that car and J.Burton seems to be doing well with RCR...good for both of 'em.
 
So then , the stage is set. No drivers should lift to avoid taking out another driver. :(
 
Originally posted by muggle not@Nov 1 2004, 06:05 PM
So then , the stage is set. No drivers should lift to avoid taking out another driver. :(
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Why should I lift if the guy cuts me off. FINISH THE PASS then move up.
 
Originally posted by muggle not@Nov 1 2004, 06:05 PM
So then , the stage is set. No drivers should lift to avoid taking out another driver. :(
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That's correct. Drivers have mirrors/spotters and should not attempt to take space occupied by someone else...especially when racing for position on the lead lap.

Kind of like butting in line at the ATM.
 
Muggle, didn't you read the post???????

Carl DID lift. Jr said he did, and Carl said he did. Was Carl supposed to come to a dead stop?????

Jr admitted it was his fault, and he DID say that Carl did lift. Jr just simply cut in too soon.

Gads!!!!!!! I'm done with this thread!!!!!
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If i'm not mistaken didn't Jr run into Carl Edwards at Martinsville? Could have been fresh on his mind! :huh:
 
Okay, both parties have agreed it was Jr's fault. The only place there seems to be an issue is here.

In hindsight, I'd like to take a stroll back in time and see who was whining that J Spencer and Brendan should have pulled over to the breakdown lane on the interstate and let Mark Martin by at Lowe's.
Besides Mark himself, of course.
 
But, Steve..........Jimmy's an idiot who shouldn't have a license!! We know because we were told so.............right here, as a matter of fact!! :eek:
 
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