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AndyMarquisLive said:
There are drivers I would put ahead of JJ, but not many. Five straight is a huge accomplishment regardless of the points system.
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I disagree, two of those easily should've been Jeff's.
It's difficult, if not impossible to compare today's drivers with those of yesterday.
 
It's difficult, if not impossible to compare today's drivers with those of yesterday.

Agree
 
Thing is jj and gordon are not finished who knows what will happen

Jeff could win 10 races in 2012
 
BobbyFord said:
I disagree, two of those easily should've been Jeff's.
It's difficult, if not impossible to compare today's drivers with those of yesterday.
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I disagree with that. Gordon raced against a higher caliber of drivers and pretty much shut down the Dale Earnhardt era. He has also won championships with different crew chiefs and would have won six if not for the welfare "made for television" points system. Johnson never had to race against Martin, Wallace, Labonte, Jarrett, Bobby Labonte or Rudd when they were at their peak and was never on the same track as Earnhardt or Waltrip. Honestly, had Gordon not come in to NASCAR, Earnhardt probably would've won 9 championships.

Not to mention Gordon shut Earnhardt down and didn't have to wreck the entire field to do it.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Pearson is the greatest ever IMO. Petty a close second. Then Gordon and Earnhardt.
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And to others, I agree this poll system was hateful to Jeff Gordon, and some got breaks, Lee Petty had good match up imo.


My biggest regret, not just using the original seeding throughout the rounds . In hindsight, I think the match-ups would have been better

Using the most votes created some imbalances that I didn’t foresee. Originally the idea was to empower the process by allowing votes counts to rule the day.

But I do regret seeing Gordon and Stewart eliminated between number and 9 and 16, or the second round,


This is not a defense; everybody has been kind and gracious with the feedback, just my own self critique.
 
Greg said:
And to others, I agree this poll system was hateful to Jeff Gordon, and some got breaks, Lee Petty had good match up imo.


My biggest regret, not just using the original seeding throughout the rounds . In hindsight, I think the match-ups would have been better

Using the most votes created some imbalances that I didn’t foresee. Originally the idea was to empower the process by allowing votes counts to rule the day.

But I do regret seeing Gordon and Stewart eliminated between number and 9 and 16, or the second round,


This is not a defense; everybody has been kind and gracious with the feedback, just my own self critique.
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I don't know, I think we all knew Earnhardt would win that round. You could put Dale Earnhardt against Jesus Christ or Mother Teresa for "Nicest, most charitable person in history" on a NASCAR site and Earnhardt would win.

I don't care how much crap people give me for it, but it takes a lot more talent to win races and championships by passing drivers clean than it does to wreck a driver.
 
Greg said:
And to others, I agree this poll system was hateful to Jeff Gordon, and some got breaks, Lee Petty had good match up imo.


My biggest regret, not just using the original seeding throughout the rounds . In hindsight, I think the match-ups would have been better

Using the most votes created some imbalances that I didn’t foresee. Originally the idea was to empower the process by allowing votes counts to rule the day.

But I do regret seeing Gordon and Stewart eliminated between number and 9 and 16, or the second round,


This is not a defense; everybody has been kind and gracious with the feedback, just my own self critique.
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In my opinion you did a great job with this thing man! There is gonna be little things along the way that not everyone is happy about no matter what you do. It doesn't matter who goes against Earnhardt in most polls they will lose, regardless of seeding and such.
 
It's amazing how some have such a twisted view of the NASCAR past especially when they weren't even around to witness it. They simply rely on a few YouTube highlights to form their opinion of the history of the sport. What's even worse is that those few have such an influence on others and their opinions as to the sports history. :(

Shout out to Greg and all of the hard work put in on this poll! Great job and fun to participate in. :beerbang:
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It's amazing how some have such a twisted view of the NASCAR past especially when they weren't even around to witness it. They simply rely on a few YouTube highlights to form their opinion of the history of the sport. What's even worse is that those few have such an influence on others and their opinions as to the sports history. :(

Shout out to Greg and all of the hard work put in on this poll! Great job and fun to participate in. :beerbang:
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You have hit on something that happens in just about all chat forums. I know when I first came on this forum it was for entertainment purposes only. But after I was here for a while and I got to reading everyones posts and figured out who seems to know what they are talking about, and who is here just to try and boast their image and boost their post count, It didn't take very long to realize that there are a lot of fans like yourself that have been around nascar racing for a long time and that have a lot of knowledge to offer.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It's amazing how some have such a twisted view of the NASCAR past especially when they weren't even around to witness it. They simply rely on a few YouTube highlights to form their opinion of the history of the sport. What's even worse is that those few have such an influence on others and their opinions as to the sports history. :(

Shout out to Greg and all of the hard work put in on this poll! Great job and fun to participate in. :beerbang:
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I couldn't agree more, that hits the nail right on the head.
Good job Greg

As for those who were just little babies at the time if even around.
Stop acting like your opinions are fact.:owquitit:
 
Hard to seperate yourself from the era that you are most familiar with..I thought that it was a great poll and hoped that it would come down to one driver from each era .. i.e. Petty , Earnhardt , and Gordon. From there , I thought it would be interesting to see who voted for whom and why. Personally , I could go with any of the three and all for their off track contributions as well as their on track contributions . I hate that this might become either a popularity contest or a stats contest , but those are likely to be the deciding factors . It was intersting though with great write ups on all the drivers.
 
Stewart Fan said:
Gordon wasn't a clean driver. Ask Rusty Wallace about that and see what he says.
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I think what he was getting at is Gordon didn't have to use the "chrome horn" nearly as frequently as Earnhardt did, and normally when Gordon did it, it was either at Bristol or in retaliation to something someone did to him. Now Earnhardt on the other hand seemed to do it for the sheer "fun" in it...which in a way...I can understand too! :growl:
 
Stewart Fan said:
Gordon wasn't a clean driver. Ask Rusty Wallace about that and see what he says.
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Oh come on! I could pull boxes of old races (most are probably on YouTube now) and could probably count on one hand how many times Gordon's used the chrome horn either for the win or intentionally. Earnhardt on the other hand, I would need three hands to count how many times he used the chrome horn to wreck other drivers in single races alone. 1995 Night Race at Bristol, Big E wrecked damn near everyone that night.

Gordon_Fan24 said:
I think what he was getting at is Gordon didn't have to use the "chrome horn" nearly as frequently as Earnhardt did, and normally when Gordon did it, it was either at Bristol or in retaliation to something someone did to him. Now Earnhardt on the other hand seemed to do it for the sheer "fun" in it...which in a way...I can understand too! :growl:
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Exactly. Earnhardt's entire reputation was being "The Intimidator", "move or I'll move you." It's not Earnhardt-bashing, I mean after all, his fans loved it. I can only think of three instances where Gordon intentionally moved or wrecked a guy for the win, two of them were at Bristol (and I'm sure Rusty Wallace still remembers both of them:growl:) and one was at Chicago where he retaliated against Kenseth for an incident where Kenseth intentionally wrecked him earlier that year.
 
Guido said:
Rusty also thinks his son Steven is a race car driver. :D
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Put Steven Wallace in a super late model and he can drive. Let's not forget that Chase Elliott is considered by many to be the next "Greatest Ever" because he won some of the same races Steven Wallace won. Steven just can't drive the bigger cars to save his life... and this is why I refuse to jump on the "Chase Elliott is going to be a multi-time Cup champion" bandwagon.
 
Just something for everyone to think about when making comparison's.

If Jeff Gordon had came into Cup in 1978 when the cars where bricks the bumpers where Really Steel Chrome Bumpers and tweaking your fender did'nt make your car drive like a dump truck or take .2 off your lap times.............

Do you think Jeff might have used the bumper a bit more???
 
FlFlash said:
Just something for everyone to think about when making comparison's.

If Jeff Gordon had came into Cup in 1978 when the cars where bricks the bumpers where Really Steel Chrome Bumpers and tweaking your fender did'nt make your car drive like a dump truck or take .2 off your lap times.............

Do you think Jeff might have used the bumper a bit more???
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I think iT is definitely possible that he would have...but I don't remember every driver of that era "driving" the way that Earnhardt did.....
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Oh come on! I could pull boxes of old races (most are probably on YouTube now) and could probably count on one hand how many times Gordon's used the chrome horn either for the win or intentionally. Earnhardt on the other hand, I would need three hands to count how many times he used the chrome horn to wreck other drivers in single races alone. 1995 Night Race at Bristol, Big E wrecked damn near everyone that night.



Exactly. Earnhardt's entire reputation was being "The Intimidator", "move or I'll move you." It's not Earnhardt-bashing, I mean after all, his fans loved it. I can only think of three instances where Gordon intentionally moved or wrecked a guy for the win, two of them were at Bristol (and I'm sure Rusty Wallace still remembers both of them:growl:) and one was at Chicago where he retaliated against Kenseth for an incident where Kenseth intentionally wrecked him earlier that year.
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Those are the three instances that I recall as well..and let's face it...Kenseth got paid back, and if someone was blocking rusty at Bristol he woulda done the same thing, so he has very little to complain about.
 
Gordon_Fan24 said:
Those are the three instances that I recall as well..and let's face it...Kenseth got paid back, and if someone was blocking rusty at Bristol he woulda done the same thing, so he has very little to complain about.
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1989 Winston Select anyone? Or should we look up his numerous run ins with Ricky Rudd, including the 2001 race (Dover I think?) where Rudd was contending for a championship and Rusty wrecked him from a lap down.
 
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