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eeff
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loudon will put us to sleep next week
paul
Team Owner
With the points race like it is?? No way! 
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HardScrabble
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Looks like there will be 6 drivers with a possibility of being the points leader after Loudon. Three of the contenders are less than 100 points behind leader Sterling.
Wonder who will bring their "A" game to New Hampshire?
Wonder who will bring their "A" game to New Hampshire?
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DE Wrangler 2
Guest
I'm thinking eeff was just funning us........he thoroughly enjoyed the race this evening and I bet he will thoroughly enjoy next week's race too.
paul
Team Owner
That wasscally eeff.
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Gordon Fan
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Louden will unseat Marlin, just don't ask by who:satisfied
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eeff
Guest
Loudon STINKS
The cars aren't desighed to race on that type of track! there to dam heavy & clumsy to race side by side there Richmond pushes the envolpe to it's max & Loudon crosses it big time.
After watching Derick slam the wall Friday night I don't look forward to the guys racing there.
I didn't like watching Tony slam the wall because he entered the corner a couple inches high either.
Jeff was lucky.
I don't like that type of racing.
I will watch cause I have it bad.
But I say bring in the doziers 9 / 16 / 2002 & get that track up to racing standards for the WCup cars or drop that track. That is my opinion of Homestead also!
Pheonix is right the also!
I don't know what to say about Pocono!
The other cookie cutters need fixed also!
Daytona & Dega are a case of there own.
But na$car will do nothing!
Lucky foe Derick he had a Hans on Or he'd be dead!
Sorry that's my opinion!
the banking makes the car squat into the surface ! the flat tracks the cars slide till a tire gives out!
The cars aren't desighed to race on that type of track! there to dam heavy & clumsy to race side by side there Richmond pushes the envolpe to it's max & Loudon crosses it big time.
After watching Derick slam the wall Friday night I don't look forward to the guys racing there.
I didn't like watching Tony slam the wall because he entered the corner a couple inches high either.
Jeff was lucky.
I don't like that type of racing.
I will watch cause I have it bad.
But I say bring in the doziers 9 / 16 / 2002 & get that track up to racing standards for the WCup cars or drop that track. That is my opinion of Homestead also!
Pheonix is right the also!
I don't know what to say about Pocono!
The other cookie cutters need fixed also!
Daytona & Dega are a case of there own.
But na$car will do nothing!
Lucky foe Derick he had a Hans on Or he'd be dead!
Sorry that's my opinion!
the banking makes the car squat into the surface ! the flat tracks the cars slide till a tire gives out!
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TN-Ward-Fan
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I hate Loudon, but I sure didn't mind the first race there this year. Ain't looking for a repeat though, I know luck when I see it.
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71Fan
Guest
My gosh folks, it ain't the track. It's a great track. The problem is that nascar has so tweaked what is or isn't "stock" (and we all know they ain't) and that the boys are so concerned with points racing that they've forgotten how to bump and bang their way to a win.
Sure, they love going 180 at the cookie-cutters where they can find a spot in line and stay there, but put em on a track where they've actually got to drive for a living and all they want to do is complain about how they can't pass.
Put squared off front ends back on the cars and tracks like Louden would shine.
Sure, they love going 180 at the cookie-cutters where they can find a spot in line and stay there, but put em on a track where they've actually got to drive for a living and all they want to do is complain about how they can't pass.
Put squared off front ends back on the cars and tracks like Louden would shine.
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eeff
Guest
Wrong 71 it has nothing to do with areo there!
the cars are just beyond the limits of the chassics.
the tires are alaso to the limits with the heat from braking & trying to grip the track at the speeds they run going into the corners! the drivers are doing all they can & so is the crew.
I know you like flat short tracks but Loudon has to much straightaway speed for the 3600 lb car (with driver) to do any passing like you would see on a mile banked track.
the tires are shreading & causing a safety hazzard! There is no reason for a driver to have to worry about missing the groove by an inch & hitting the wall.
the cars are just beyond the limits of the chassics.
the tires are alaso to the limits with the heat from braking & trying to grip the track at the speeds they run going into the corners! the drivers are doing all they can & so is the crew.
I know you like flat short tracks but Loudon has to much straightaway speed for the 3600 lb car (with driver) to do any passing like you would see on a mile banked track.
the tires are shreading & causing a safety hazzard! There is no reason for a driver to have to worry about missing the groove by an inch & hitting the wall.
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71Fan
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Well then maybe that driver shouldn't be racing for a livng eh?
Louden officials want to install the Indy type soft wall and the project is on hold due to nascar dragging their feet.
The fact that Goodyear brings Radio Flyer Wagon Tires is what tears the track up. When the tire is harder than the pavement, the pavement loses and all things considered that track held up quite well. Softer tires would also allow for a second groove to come in sooner. No short track in America could stand up to that rock hard rubber.
And yes it is also an aero thing. When a car gets under another it loses it's front downforce causing it to slip towards the wall. The old square-nose cars didn't have that problem cause they had hardly any front downforce to begin with.
Seems the only folks who have trouble with that track are the nascar boys who have to run the mandated Radio Flyer Wagon Tire. I think you are overlooking the obvious.
Louden officials want to install the Indy type soft wall and the project is on hold due to nascar dragging their feet.
The fact that Goodyear brings Radio Flyer Wagon Tires is what tears the track up. When the tire is harder than the pavement, the pavement loses and all things considered that track held up quite well. Softer tires would also allow for a second groove to come in sooner. No short track in America could stand up to that rock hard rubber.
And yes it is also an aero thing. When a car gets under another it loses it's front downforce causing it to slip towards the wall. The old square-nose cars didn't have that problem cause they had hardly any front downforce to begin with.
Seems the only folks who have trouble with that track are the nascar boys who have to run the mandated Radio Flyer Wagon Tire. I think you are overlooking the obvious.
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71Fan
Guest
And as long as yer on a roll, add Martinsville to your list.
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eeff
Guest
martinsville is good short track racing! The main problem there is brake tempature which is the driver!
Martinsville is good racing. If a car does wreck there the contact with the wall isn't near as hard as loudon.
Still anytime you hit a stand object your taking a chance of sevre injury , but Martinsville is realatively safe.
I hope to see you in the chat room Sunday 71
Martinsville is good racing. If a car does wreck there the contact with the wall isn't near as hard as loudon.
Still anytime you hit a stand object your taking a chance of sevre injury , but Martinsville is realatively safe.
I hope to see you in the chat room Sunday 71
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71Fan
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I thought it was funny that last night on one of the tv shows Mike Wallace was saying that he hopes that 10 years from now folks will say something like.....ya know those crazies used to actually race at tracks with CONCRETE walls.
Made for tv and corporate showboating cookie cutters, and the billboard plate parades and demo derbies just aren't what I look for in a race. I mean is it any wonder nascar has to resort to mystery yellows and green, white, checker finishes?
It's all coming down to the odd shaped tracks this year. Odd shaped? Seems funny to refer to basic race tracks as odd shaped. The only one that doesn't fit is Phoenix.
And yup, hope to see ya in the chat room Sunday.
Made for tv and corporate showboating cookie cutters, and the billboard plate parades and demo derbies just aren't what I look for in a race. I mean is it any wonder nascar has to resort to mystery yellows and green, white, checker finishes?
It's all coming down to the odd shaped tracks this year. Odd shaped? Seems funny to refer to basic race tracks as odd shaped. The only one that doesn't fit is Phoenix.
And yup, hope to see ya in the chat room Sunday.
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eeff
Guest
71 !!!!!!!
Those tires are not hard ! There shreading now! If they were any softer the cars wouldn't be able to run a fuel load & the rubber build up would be even worse than it was in June.
Those other cars you speak of all wiegh some 600 pounds or MORE lighter also.
& how wide are the tires on those modifieds?
It's funny how you think it's ok for a car to hit the wall ! You think it's there job to do so.
there's turns on the expressway ayatem that we drive on in street cars that have more banking tan loudon does.
I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand that there is limits to what a car can do on a given race track.
& areo is not one of the major problems @ loudon. sure it's part of the equation but not even close to being the problem.
see ya sunday
Those tires are not hard ! There shreading now! If they were any softer the cars wouldn't be able to run a fuel load & the rubber build up would be even worse than it was in June.
Those other cars you speak of all wiegh some 600 pounds or MORE lighter also.
& how wide are the tires on those modifieds?
It's funny how you think it's ok for a car to hit the wall ! You think it's there job to do so.
there's turns on the expressway ayatem that we drive on in street cars that have more banking tan loudon does.
I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand that there is limits to what a car can do on a given race track.
& areo is not one of the major problems @ loudon. sure it's part of the equation but not even close to being the problem.
see ya sunday
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71Fan
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And just what's so dog gone horrible about using yer dern breaks to get in to a corner to keep from sliding? Oh that's right, ya might get passed.
Shucks, I don't want to see anybody hit the wall. What I want to see is somebody overcome the obstacles. Slippery and flat with heavy as all get out cars is something not many of these guys seem to remember how to do. Funny it's where most all of them came from.
And the reason tires are shredding is cause the teams get aggressive with their camber and air pressure and they think they can run em that way for a 150 miles or so. Dern things flex so much they dern near touch the brake rotors.
Like Mike also said last night....back in the days of bias ply you could feel the car getting away and save it. Radials have taken the cars to the point of no return. Louden's shape is basic race track. Go fast down the straights, hit the brakes, turn, and get up off. I guess the boys have forgotten.
Shucks, I don't want to see anybody hit the wall. What I want to see is somebody overcome the obstacles. Slippery and flat with heavy as all get out cars is something not many of these guys seem to remember how to do. Funny it's where most all of them came from.
And the reason tires are shredding is cause the teams get aggressive with their camber and air pressure and they think they can run em that way for a 150 miles or so. Dern things flex so much they dern near touch the brake rotors.
Like Mike also said last night....back in the days of bias ply you could feel the car getting away and save it. Radials have taken the cars to the point of no return. Louden's shape is basic race track. Go fast down the straights, hit the brakes, turn, and get up off. I guess the boys have forgotten.
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eeff
Guest
71
don't you understand that the tires are at there limits !
The brakes are at there limits.
The teams have pushed ever envolpe they can find on the cars to over come all the obstacles of get around those corners.
When ever some one brings up the old bias tire it makes me laugh. those tires would bring more problems. you don't go backwards in tire technolgy & keep the grip & tire wear of todays tires.
Those sidewalls are stiff believe me I mounted the demounted the tires on the 75 team. The shorter the track the stiffer they made the side walls. Martinsville tires & Wilksboro were the hardest to work on.
Last Nov the tire used was the Martinsville tire.
the old days are gone 71. this is now the cars are so much faster . with so much more horsepower ,that you can't compare those times with today.
Do you think it's a good think to get bumped going 155 mph entering a corner? You seem to thing that's the way to pass. At Martinsville you enter at around 115mph. That's hard enough to deal with. & if you do spim out & back her in look what happens there. So I don't believe the bump & bang is cool @ Loudon.
But anyway it's just a race. We will be on to Dover after! A multi lane track.
don't you understand that the tires are at there limits !
The brakes are at there limits.
The teams have pushed ever envolpe they can find on the cars to over come all the obstacles of get around those corners.
When ever some one brings up the old bias tire it makes me laugh. those tires would bring more problems. you don't go backwards in tire technolgy & keep the grip & tire wear of todays tires.
Those sidewalls are stiff believe me I mounted the demounted the tires on the 75 team. The shorter the track the stiffer they made the side walls. Martinsville tires & Wilksboro were the hardest to work on.
Last Nov the tire used was the Martinsville tire.
the old days are gone 71. this is now the cars are so much faster . with so much more horsepower ,that you can't compare those times with today.
Do you think it's a good think to get bumped going 155 mph entering a corner? You seem to thing that's the way to pass. At Martinsville you enter at around 115mph. That's hard enough to deal with. & if you do spim out & back her in look what happens there. So I don't believe the bump & bang is cool @ Loudon.
But anyway it's just a race. We will be on to Dover after! A multi lane track.
Louden is much more fun during bike week!!!
Dump 1 race there and ADD ANOTHER ROAD COURSE!!
Alaska will be there so I'm sure he'll give a full report.
Dump 1 race there and ADD ANOTHER ROAD COURSE!!
Alaska will be there so I'm sure he'll give a full report.
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71Fan
Guest
What I think eeff is that if ya can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.
And yes, I do understand that the limits are being challenged. I could no more put a car thru a turn at speed at Louden than Clark Kent could see without his glasses. But I'ld bet dollars to donuts that I could cruise around a cookie cutter at 180 with less than two weeks worth of training.
My heros are racers, not a bunch of guys that drive around in milquetoast auto parades.
And yes, I do understand that the limits are being challenged. I could no more put a car thru a turn at speed at Louden than Clark Kent could see without his glasses. But I'ld bet dollars to donuts that I could cruise around a cookie cutter at 180 with less than two weeks worth of training.
My heros are racers, not a bunch of guys that drive around in milquetoast auto parades.