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I thought Ryan Newman and Team had some class.....WRONG! I am angry about the crap he pulled on Juan Pablo and hope he gets FINED BIG BUCKS (at least $100,000), DOCKED 5,000 points, and is put on a very restrictive probation for the entire 2007 season.
That was a LOWLIFE thing to do, and he has lost every ounce of respect I had for him!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
I guess the question is, is Juan Montoya the new Bill Lester? Where he's going to find himself into the wall often. Nothing discourages more than not being allowed to race fairly.
Yeah, Newman will probably get a slap on the wrist. I just hope he doesn't also get a wink and nod. Afterall who would be mad at Newman. He's such a nonentity.
 
kat2220 said:
I thought Ryan Newman and Team had some class.....WRONG! I am angry about the crap he pulled on Juan Pablo and hope he gets FINED BIG BUCKS (at least $100,000), DOCKED 5,000 points, and is put on a very restrictive probation for the entire 2007 season.
That was a LOWLIFE thing to do, and he has lost every ounce of respect I had for him!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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STRONGLY AGREED!!

i dont know why ryan would do what he did in the first place..because i did not saw juan pablo do anything wrong
 
Kat, what is this so much love for JPM? I mean c'mon, he's just another newbie in this sport that has to learn the ropes. It's easy to jump on someone when you only see what the end result has been, but what happened prior to all the action...and what did happen anyway. I never saw anything definitive anyway, just speculation from the booth. Sheesh, for me, I rather see JPM stay away from this sport than come in and think that he'll conquer it like he did F1. Oh wait, I guess he didn't conquer F1. Maybe he thinks that NASCAR would be easier to conquer. If JPM is good enough, he'll conquer NASCAR, but there isn't going to be anyone out there who is going to lie down for him.
 
buckaroo said:
Kat, what is this so much love for JPM? I mean c'mon, he's just another newbie in this sport that has to learn the ropes. It's easy to jump on someone when you only see what the end result has been, but what happened prior to all the action...and what did happen anyway. I never saw anything definitive anyway, just speculation from the booth. Sheesh, for me, I rather see JPM stay away from this sport than come in and think that he'll conquer it like he did F1. Oh wait, I guess he didn't conquer F1. Maybe he thinks that NASCAR would be easier to conquer. If JPM is good enough, he'll conquer NASCAR, but there isn't going to be anyone out there who is going to lie down for him.
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you're obviously not a fan of international drivers coming into nascar, are you really that afraid that they will take nascar by storm? i mean c'mon what's it to you that drivers such as juan want to race in nascar?
 
It looked like Ryan tried to pass Montoya too close and had the air taken off his spoiler causing Ryan to spin. I don't think Montoya touched him. It was a misjudgment by Ryan on passing.
 
kat2220 said:
I thought Ryan Newman and Team had some class.....WRONG! I am angry about the crap he pulled on Juan Pablo and hope he gets FINED BIG BUCKS (at least $100,000), DOCKED 5,000 points, and is put on a very restrictive probation for the entire 2007 season.
That was a LOWLIFE thing to do, and he has lost every ounce of respect I had for him!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Too harsh. I mean, Ryan's done this crap before. Remember Loudon?
 
I wish they could have shown us the hit better. As it is we are left guessing as to its severity. It could have been a tap that a Wimmer or Raines could have corrected but with Montoya's greeness maybe he was unable to properly correct the car.
At least I hope that Ryan didn't intentionally try to BBQ him. Cause Karma's a bitch and she always gets even...
 
Loudon is one thing. Popping someone with a full tank of gas on a super speedway is another. I'd guess Jaun was doing about 180 when he got turned. Nice job their Newman. Way to take out your frustrations of your suck ass season on a rookie.
 
Sorry reck, you don't know me at all and haven't been around these parts long enough to make such accusations. But since you brought it up, I have nothing at all against international drivers coming in and taking over the sport. If that happens, so be it. I've got plenty of local racing to attend where the action is just as good, and I might add, a heap bunch cheaper.

I've been thinking about this a bit earlier and I thought about starting a topic named, Is this the last all American sport? You want to send NASCAR the way of CART? Just start putting more and more foreign drivers in the seats of those cars and you'll see this sport fading as quick as CART did. As bp said before, as long as it's the only sport in town, there will be plenty of fans, but in case you haven't noticed, attendence at the track and TV audience is already starting to wane. All this diversity program will do is hasten the drop.

The only reason JPM raced today is because he drove for Ganassi before, AND (this one is a big factor) NASCAR wanted a big star from another series in the race, especially where the race was held, and the fact that this international star is from a Spanish speaking country. I find it rather interesting that NASCAR wouldn't let Marcos Ambrose race a truck until three or four races into the season or wouldn't let David Ragen race on a mile and a half track because he caused a bunch of Cuppers to complain about him after a race on a half mile track. I know that NASCAR has a mission and I totally understand what is behind it all. They do want this sport to become international.
 
Buckster, I've liked JPM forever, but that's NOT my point. Ryan seems to have lost his edge and after Borland skipped, he is just a different driver. He sure hasn't had the success this season that he had in past years, and this isn't the first time (by far) that Ryan has pitched a fit.

To me, his actions today just showed his frustration with a lackluster season and was totally uncalled for, no matter WHO he wrecked.
 
if it hadn't been for the fire it probably wouldn't've seemed so bad. I'm not defending Ryan or anything, it was definitely a cheap shot, but I think it just looked a lot worse than it really was. But hey, at least we have a new rivalry for next season...and at the same time, it might rejuvenate Newman, who has been very dull this year.
 
http://www.backstretchmotorsports.com/bm/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8912&Itemid=29

RYAN NEWMAN (No. 12 Alltel Dodge Charger)
MONTOYA SAID HE DID NOT RUN INTO THE BACK OF YOU. IS THAT WHAT SPUN YOU OUT EARLIER IN THE RACE? “He never touched me other than when we were both going for the same real estate. His bumper went across my nose and that spun him right around. What happened off turn four was totally my fault. I lost the car. I got into him and we got door to door and that spun me around. Down here, it was anybody but racing's fault in my opinion. His car came across the nose of mine. I felt bad for the situation because, obviously, it looked like I was retaliating, but that's not the case. That's what we just talked about.”
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I guess the question is, is Juan Montoya the new Bill Lester?(Barleypure)

I do not understand that comparison at all .
 
Sure you do. How many times have you seen Lester put into the wall for no apparent reason. Especially when he's trying to run Top 10.
There seems to be an attitude against minority drivers. And, it looks to be a small subset of drivers. NASCAR wants diversity but until the drivers accept it you won't see many of color behind the wheel. Or, in the pits. Or, wearing a NASCAR officials uniform for that matter.
 
buckaroo said:
You want to send NASCAR the way of CART? Just start putting more and more foreign drivers in the seats of those cars and you'll see this sport fading as quick as CART did.
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Foreign drivers had nothing to do with CART losing it's popularity. It was because of the split amongst owners and the formation of the IRL.

This season JPM has been mister nice guy and earned a lot of respect from both other drivers and their teams while learning the nascar circuit. I expect next year he will start pushing back, if need be.

David Ragen has no business even being mentioned in this thread. It's like comparing a grayhound to a daschund.
 
barelypure said:
Sure you do. How many times have you seen Lester put into the wall for no apparent reason. Especially when he's trying to run Top 10.
There seems to be an attitude against minority drivers. And, it looks to be a small subset of drivers. NASCAR wants diversity but until the drivers accept it you won't see many of color behind the wheel. Or, in the pits. Or, wearing a NASCAR officials uniform for that matter.
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WOW . You are watching a different series then I am . Lester seems to be the architect of his own problems to me and the people I speak to in and around the sport.
Thats a pretty serious allagation you are making claiming that most or a large number of drivers in NASCAR are racist and in my opinion you are way off base.

I will leave it at that because I do not wish to hijack this thread .
 
OMG!!

barelypure said:
Sure you do. How many times have you seen Lester put into the wall for no apparent reason. Especially when he's trying to run Top 10.
There seems to be an attitude against minority drivers. And, it looks to be a small subset of drivers. NASCAR wants diversity but until the drivers accept it you won't see many of color behind the wheel. Or, in the pits. Or, wearing a NASCAR officials uniform for that matter.
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BP that is about the silliest unthoughtout post I have seen in months. Zackly like all other sports, the best will be brought forward! Regardless of color the best drivers will be racing in NASCAR!
How can you think for even one second that ANY driver would not be selected if he were able to race with the best in the world?
I will say this however. When the majority of NASCAR drivers are speaking other than english and are sporting their countries flags on their cars... I will stop watching. I do like the idea of having our own racers...and their color does not matter.
Betsy:rolleyes:
 
barelypure said:
It looked like Ryan tried to pass Montoya too close and had the air taken off his spoiler causing Ryan to spin. I don't think Montoya touched him. It was a misjudgment by Ryan on passing.
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And don't forget Newman, thinking JPM did something wrong, drilled JPM and causing him to have a fiery crash.
 
As far as Kat is concerned, Race, Color, Creed and country of origin have absolutely NOTHING to do with racing, whether it's NASCAR or gocarts.
Newman acted the part of the hind end of a donkey, no matter WHO he smacked into.
I'd probably be saying the same thing if Jeff G had done it, or keep my mouth shut.
 
I seen the replays off youtube, and never seen a clear shot of Newman spining the JPM. When JMP passed Newman and took the air off his car, that is very easy to tell it was a racing deal. But not forsure on when JPM got turned.

I'll rate this the same as when Robby tossed the roll bar pading out, did they do it? yeah more then likly. but iv not seen enough to convicet them of doing something wrong, but im sure nascar has.
 
Lap3Forever said:
I seen the replays off youtube, and never seen a clear shot of Newman spining the JPM. When JMP passed Newman and took the air off his car, that is very easy to tell it was a racing deal. But not forsure on when JPM got turned.

I'll rate this the same as when Robby tossed the roll bar pading out, did they do it? yeah more then likly. but iv not seen enough to convicet them of doing something wrong, but im sure nascar has.
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All I have to say in answer is if I EVER have a trial with jury... I want YOU on the jury! You are waaaay too easy.
Betsy;)
 
SlowNeasy said:
Foreign drivers had nothing to do with CART losing it's popularity. It was because of the split amongst owners and the formation of the IRL.

This season JPM has been mister nice guy and earned a lot of respect from both other drivers and their teams while learning the nascar circuit. I expect next year he will start pushing back, if need be.

David Ragen has no business even being mentioned in this thread. It's like comparing a grayhound to a daschund.
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Well, I guess we must have been paying attention to CART, or in terms that are better, USAC Champ cars, at different times. I was talking about when Teo Fabi was such a heralded success in coming into the ranks of the Indy cars. Everyone was tickled that the series had gotten a wonderful foreign driver to help get the interest of the Europeans into the sport. After Teo, there were a few more that joined the series, including the likes of Nigel Mansel, who made a mockery of the series in just one year. Also there was Emerson Fittipaldi, another champion, and from there, the series continued to go from all American boys to drivers from all over the world. Whether you will admit it or not, when that happened, the decline of popularity in this country began to wane. Then when the IRL split and CART formed, CART wanted to compete with the F1 circuit and the rest is history. CART is no more, IRL is struggling and F1 continues to march on. I'm here to tell you that if the premier series in NASCAR becomes a who's who in world racing, the series will fall faster than a dead duck. There is nothing more serious about this than us redneck southerners, and we'll leave this sport to those globe trotting wannabies quicker than you can boil peanuts. :cool:
 
I agree buckaroo. You'ns are still upset with Jeffy not being from the south. It will be a lot worse when 7 or 8 folks, with names no self respecting redneck can even read, dominate the series. Away go all the loyal fans..
Betsy;)
 
You know I watched the replay and it looks like JPM just got loose off the front bumper of Newman. I think Kat is being too harsh in his assessment of the wreck.
 
^ my friend....you sure know your angles? from that camera angle is nearly imposible to tell whether Juan Pablo got loose or if newman nudge him on purpose..but i can tell you this...this looks mighty suspicious.
 
buckaroo said:
I'm here to tell you that if the premier series in NASCAR becomes a who's who in world racing, the series will fall faster than a dead duck. There is nothing more serious about this than us redneck southerners, and we'll leave this sport to those globe trotting wannabies quicker than you can boil peanuts. :cool:
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true nascar was/is based on southerners with unflinching loyalty. i think nascar looks at the *global* market though and will sell the southern loyalists out in a heartbeat if the money looks good. it's all in the numbers and nascar has some of the brightest bean counters around. maybe not that cut and dried but it sure seems that way at times. i don't think that's good but it *may* be smart (financially)?
 
lol wow still people look at the incident as payback,,,why am i not surprise...and if so, so what? kenseth=bristol=chicago=payback=all even blah blah
 
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