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carsntunes
Guest
From Jayski:
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
S&P crackdown!
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carsntunes
Guest
It looks like NASCAR is using their mighty sword to police the start and parks. I can see the point to make sure that they are not cheating in order to get a starting position but are they going too far? Are they going to hand out financially crushing penalties like the Carl Long/200K ? Let the games begin!
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MoMike
Guest
I think Nascar could go a long ways in evening out the competition if when they gutted the last place finisher, they gave him pointers on how to make his ride more competetive, since they gut the winners too......
Doubt that'll happen though...
Doubt that'll happen though...
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Spread the wealth. Hmmm, where have I heard that before?
How could that possibly be fair? Teams with money usually have a competitive advantage as they invest more money and man hours. It's been that way since the beginning of this sport.
sloggie
Racing I will teach you
I would like this to be the lowest 5 non wrecked cars, but it's a start
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PettyBlue
Guest
All it's going to do is ensure a 35 car field for every race. I honestly think that most fans wouldn't care if the Derricke Copes or Mike wallaces were in the race, anyway.
sloggie
Racing I will teach you
That's ok with me. I'd rather have 35 guys that are all there to race.
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
Didn't Nascar ask these guys to fill the field originally?
mike honcho
Knuckleheads
Yeah they payteams to bring cars when there is not going to be a full field.
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
I want guys that actually wanna race, not run a few laps and pull in. If Cope or Blaney or anyone else shows up to run the full race then more power to them but the start and park is really ridiculous. Who says we need 43 cars anyway?
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SST55
Guest
From what I understand in order to collect the big bucks from the TV contracts with the network(s) Na$car guarantees a 43 car starting field in nnw and cup, 35 in trucks.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
I have to wonder if that is even true as they more or less only cover the top 5 normally.
IMO the racing would be just as good or even better if they only had half of what starts now.
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MoMike
Guest
It's got nothing to do with wealth, it'd just be nice to see all the cars race at a competetive level. Is that not why Nascar went to the COT? To level the playing field, and give underfunded teams a better chance? As I recall, that was one of the main reasons, safety being the other.
You want fair??????? Fair would be throwing out the top 35 rule.
Like the racers say, your only as good as your last race.
43 fastest cars race, the rest go home.
Momike
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
When you are talking about giving the back-markers info to make them more competitive, then yes, I'd call that sharing the wealth. As in information. These upper teams spend quite a bit of money and man hours to get where they are. IMO that would be absolutely wrong for NASCAR to give information to lesser teams.
I think that the main reason for the COT was safety. I think they hoped that it would make the competition better. I don't believe the it will ever be equal.
I agree, throw out the top 35 rule.
mike honcho
Knuckleheads
It seems the more EQUAL they make the cars the easier it is for 1 person to run away with the show??????/
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MoMike
Guest
When all else is equal, the best driver wins.
mike honcho
Knuckleheads
So only 1 guy on the professional level has learned how to drive these racecars and consistantly win for 4 years now.
sloggie
Racing I will teach you
I think the "NASCAR has to field 43 cars to for the TV contracts" is a myth.
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chromehorn
Guest
Agree 100%. Thats the way it should be, if you can't make a 43 car field then it should be "see you later, try again next week."
Send Jeff Gordon, JJ or even Tony home for one race and watch what happens to ticket sales the next year.
Throw out the "top 35" rule and sponsors will drop contracts like a hot potato.
Sometimes when I read these threads I have to wonder how many people frequent their local tracks. There are people who dominate at the local tracks and are either hated or loved because of their performance.
Kinda like the cup series...
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
Sorry, which thread is this? The one complaining about the front of the field or the one complaining about the back of the field? The one complaining about too much diversity (Danica) or too little diversity ( JJ ) ?I must be getting too old.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Yes, yes, yes, & yes. As far as getting old, that's happening to all of us.
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MoMike
Guest
Trust me, if the above mentioned drivers somehow couldn't make a race, the sponsor would be on the hood of another car in a minute. But there is still a champions provisional to save their a$$.Guaranteed. Worst case, they jump in a nationwide ride Saturday, for exposure. Lots of underfunded teams would put one of the above mentioned drivers behind the wheel for some camera time on the track.
Can ticket sales POSSIBLY get any worse at California anyways?
I'm certain nothing would change if the top 35 rule were gone, except that qualifying day would really, for once, mean more than just pit selection.
It'd be worth watching.
Watch the Friday qualifying show ratings go through the roof!!!!!!
MoMike
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
Great stuff...there are a few start and park cars that would love to have Tony Stewart's sponsorship dollars..I'll bet Joe Nemechek can qualify .Lets get all those start and park cars some big name sposors and leave Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon the heck home.I think that you may have something here.
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MoMike
Guest
Great stuff...there are a few start and park cars that would love to have Tony Stewart's sponsorship dollars..I'll bet Joe Nemechek can qualify .Lets get all those start and park cars some big name sposors and leave Tony Stewart and Jeff Gordon the heck home.I think that you may have something here.
The best part about it, is that the sponsor would get on Joes hood for half the cost of Tony, or Jeffs hood, and Joe would still be happy.
MoMike
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
On the other hand, that same sponsor may not be very satisfied when they are no longer shown on television as they're no where near the front of the field.
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MoMike
Guest
On the other hand, that same sponsor may not be very satisfied when they are no longer shown on television as they're no where near the front of the field.
Well, we are assuming that the top 35 rule is gone, and the fastest 43 qualified. With that said, atleast the sponsor is in the field, because Jeff, and Tony couldn't qualify on speed, and Joe did.
And with the sponsorship dollars, he might be able to consistently run further upfront as races go by.We've all seen a few races where some of the mainstays were outqualified by underfunded cars, and still made the field because of the T35 rule.
MoMike
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
Well, we are assuming that the top 35 rule is gone, and the fastest 43 qualified. With that said, atleast the sponsor is in the field, because Jeff, and Tony couldn't qualify on speed, and Joe did.
We've all seen a few races where some of the mainstays were outqualified by underfunded cars, and still made the field because of the T35 rule.
MoMike
A lot of that was most likely because the top-35 guys, with a guaranteed spot, put no effort into the qual laps, becasue they knew they were in no matter what.
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MoMike
Guest
So we make them all inpound races, so it's all still on the line, and they've gotta run hard to be in the race.
MoMike
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Well, we are assuming that the top 35 rule is gone, and the fastest 43 qualified. With that said, atleast the sponsor is in the field, because Jeff, and Tony couldn't qualify on speed, and Joe did.
We've all seen a few races where some of the mainstays were outqualified by underfunded cars, and still made the field because of the T35 rule.
MoMike
I think that the scenario that is more likely, assuming there's no top 35 rule, is that the top tier team simply buys a ride that is already in the race. It's happened before. If Tony doesn't make speed, he simply buys Joe's ride. Joe's got a price. Everyone's got a price. That's the way it would work IMO.
I am in no way arguing on keeping the top 35 rule. The old way was a far better system than what we have today. I'd like to see them go back to that.
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MoMike
Guest
Yeah, we seen Waltrip do it a couple years ago, atleast thats the last time I seen it.
It'd have to be a good price though, enough to make it worth while.
Either way, it's pumping money into a smaller team, thus hopefully making them more competetive.
Lets face it, today the funded superteams just get richer, and the little guys just get smaller.
Soon they're running a limited schedule, then none. Robby Gordon is one example.
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
I still say getting rid of the Top 35 rule would be the worst thing. You HAVE to keep the top guys in the race to make the fans happy.
Plus, Tony can't qualify and my nerves can't take that LMAO.....
Plus, Tony can't qualify and my nerves can't take that LMAO.....
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MoMike
Guest
I don't agree. They make new fans every day. Lesser known guys that make races will gain a fan base too.
MoMike
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
All right. How'd y'all do that? You sly old forum veterans have gone and pulled a fast one on us newbies.You have changed this thread from wanting to get rid of the back half of the field to wanting to keep the back half and throw out the front half?????