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What is up with Jeff Gordon these days? I cant tell the difference between him and a 2 year old. He was out of gas, which means he should get out of the way. Jr almost wrecked cause of him, and so did Harvick.. what else is a guy suppose to do? Help push him across the line, and give up spots? Here's 2 quotes which make PERFECT sense to me..

1) Dale Earnhardt Jr - 'He ended up in the wall and lost a bunch of spots. You tell me who made the bad decision.' 'We was 60 mph faster than he was, and he's trying to block'
2) Kevin Harvick - 'When your out of gas, your suppose to get out of the racing groove.'

Maybe Jeff Gordon needs to listen to these 2 from now on. So if the wreck was anybody's fault, its all fingers at Jeff.

Your opinions?
 
My opinion is fans should move on and look forward to the next race.

Besides, Bristol is coming up right after Michigan. I'm sure there will be more drivers complaining about who spun who and why after that race. Should be a great time!
 
Jeff wouldve maintained a top 5 or top 10 if he had just gotten out of the way. Even if he did top off on fuel coming to the white flag, he wouldve maintained a 20th or something, something better than the finish he got.
 
That's ok,Jeff Gordon gets screwed again,the ABGr's get to celebrate Jeff's 52nd career DNF,yippeeee!
Enjoy it while U can,it'll be interesting to see what some People have to say though when Greg(sniffle)Biffle gets payback!

Other than Biffle's punt of Jeff on lap 1,turn 1,the think that gets Me about Jeff's run at Watkins Glen is that Jeff ran out of gas in the first place,this shouldn't happen,They need to either figure out more precisely what fuel mileage the #24 gets or allow a few extra laps in the pit window to make sure it doesn't happen as often,JMO.

I don't have any problem with the incident of Jeff & Kevin Harvick,just a racin' deal as far as I'm concerned.
 
Originally posted by 24thunder@Aug 12 2003, 08:18 AM
,the think that gets Me about Jeff's run at Watkins Glen is that Jeff ran out of gas in the first place,this shouldn't happen,They need to either figure out more precisely what fuel mileage the #24 gets or allow a few extra laps in the pit window to make sure it doesn't happen as often,JMO.

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I got two words for ya. CREW CHEIF.
 
Originally posted by bowtie+Aug 12 2003, 10:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bowtie @ Aug 12 2003, 10:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--24thunder@Aug 12 2003, 08:18 AM
,the think that gets Me about Jeff's run at Watkins Glen is that Jeff ran out of gas in the first place,this shouldn't happen,They need to either figure out more precisely what fuel mileage the #24 gets or allow a few extra laps in the pit window to make sure it doesn't happen as often,JMO.

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I got two words for ya. CREW CHEIF. [/b][/quote]
I've been thinking the same thing for about a year now,I hate to admit it,as Robbie was there to help Jeff get that 4th Championship,but perhaps it's time for a CC change.
 
Ray Evernham had the Midas touch, everything he touched turned to gold and it spoiled the Jeff Gordon fans. Robbie doesn't have that same touch and it makes Jeff look mortal again. IMHO Jeff Gordon will never dominate the sport again like he once did, although more championships are not out of the question, and I don't think Robbie is the answer.
 
The years of a driver dominating the sport are gone. In this day and age, with so many good drivers and with all the makes equal and with all the owners (well most of them) spending the money necessary to be a contender, the day and age of having 2 championship contenders are gone.

Nobody will win more than 3 championships from now on in this sport, its just that competitive. Jeff Gordon wont reach Dale's 7, Jeff Gordon has 1, maybe 2 more for him, but not more. Its just so competitive.

Again, just my $.02
 
I don't think anything is wrong with JG or the team. I think they are having a good year, to be honest.

It's just that people have become so used to Jeff dominating and winning, that it seems he and the team have lost their touch.

I know many teams would love to have Jeff's "off-peak" performance right now.
 
...that it seems he and the team have lost their touch.
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I don't know, Robbie has made some questionable calls where it looked like Jeff should have finished better. You can't compare him to the other drivers and say well they would love to have his season. With some different calls the Gordon fans are left wondering "what might have been".
 
Originally posted by RobbyG Fan@Aug 12 2003, 07:50 AM
The years of a driver dominating the sport are gone. In this day and age, with so many good drivers and with all the makes equal and with all the owners (well most of them) spending the money necessary to be a contender, the day and age of having 2 championship contenders are gone.

Nobody will win more than 3 championships from now on in this sport, its just that competitive. Jeff Gordon wont reach Dale's 7, Jeff Gordon has 1, maybe 2 more for him, but not more. Its just so competitive.

Again, just my $.02
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I disagree with you, what did Dale Earnhardt and Richard Petty have that Jeff doesnt. I think Jeff Gordon will reach 7 championships and above, it's a just a matter of when.
 
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Originally posted by Happy29+Aug 12 2003, 10:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Happy29 @ Aug 12 2003, 10:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--RobbyG Fan@Aug 12 2003, 07:50 AM
The years of a driver dominating the sport are gone.&nbsp; In this day and age, with so many good drivers and with all the makes equal and with all the owners (well most of them) spending the money necessary to be a contender, the day and age of having 2 championship contenders are gone.&nbsp;

Nobody will win more than 3 championships from now on in this sport, its just that competitive.&nbsp; Jeff Gordon wont reach Dale's 7, Jeff Gordon has 1, maybe 2 more for him, but not more.&nbsp; Its just so competitive.

Again, just my $.02
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I disagree with you, what did Dale Earnhardt and Richard Petty have that Jeff doesnt. I think Jeff Gordon will reach 7 championships and above, it's a just a matter of when. [/b][/quote]
Taking nothing away from their driving talent and ability, DE and RP got 7 championships each in a time when there wasnt much competition, probably only 2 contenders for the title since the season began.

Right now, like 25 guys have a legitamite shot at winning a race on any given day. There are around 9 to 10 championship caliber contenders. The field is just too tight and the competition is just too tough for a driver to dominate these days. It just wont happen, which is why Jeff Gordon wont get to 7 championships. Honestly, there is so much competition in this series that I dont think we will see a driver winning more than 3 championships in his career. Jeff Gordon has one, maybe, 2, championship seasons left in him, its just that the competition is very tough.
 
Some interesting facts to prove my point:

I am using Jeff Gordon first career Winston Cup Season (which was not a runaway by any means) and comparing it to the most recent full Cup Season, last year.


1994 Cup Champion: Jeff Gordon = 7 wins
2002 Cup Champion: Tony Stewart = 3 wins

# of points seperating 1st - 5th in 1994: 374
# of points seperating 1st - 5th in 2002: 200

# of points seperating 1st - 10th in 1994: 896
# of points seperating 1st - 10th in 2002: 477

# of points seperating 1st - 15th in 1994: 1230
# of points seperating 1st - 15th in 2002: 912

# of drivers with 15 or more top 5 finishes in 1994: 3
# of drivers with 15 or more top 5 finishes in 2002: 1

# of races in 1994: 31
# of races in 2002: 36


There were 5 more races in 2002 than there was in 1994. So if you "pro-rate" the statistics to include 5 more races in 1994, Jeff Gordon would get even more wins, the margins in points between 1st through 15th would be a much bigger span, the # of drivers with 15 or more top 5 finishes in 1994 would be more than 3.

What does this all mean? It shows that the field is much much tighter now. Which means that there is more competition. Which means that it is more difficult to win a championship now than it was in the 90's. That because the field is so close now, the likelyhood of a driver dominating the series becomes close to zero.
 
Thats meant to be 1995 season, not 1994 season, sorry a typo.


Another stat:


Now as far as the number of championship caliber teams, you could either say the championship caliber teams should be within 300 points or 500 points of the champion. Lets look at both sides:


# of drivers in 1995 within 300 points of champion: 4
# of drivers in 2002 within 300 points of champion: 7

# of drivers in 1995 within 500 points of champion: 6
# of drivers in 2002 within 500 points of champion: 10


And again, this is not including the pro-rated stats which would alter it to show that 2002 is even more competitive than what the stats show.
 
I don't think that Jeff will get more than another one or two championships either. With Nascar making sure that the cars are equal now is making more competition although it is a somewhat fake competition to me. With the cars and track position and pit crews so dominant now the driver is a lot smaller factor than it used to be.
 
Originally posted by Oldgoat@Aug 13 2003, 07:38 AM
With Nascar making sure that the cars are equal now is making more competition although it is a somewhat fake competition to me. .
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Please explain fake competition
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Just that Nascar controls the bodies to make sure the cars are equal. They test the engines to make sure nobody gets an advantage there. It is getting so that now the track position and the pit crews are of a lot more importance than I have ever seen before. A driver that gets back in the pack is a lot less likely to be able to move up a lot of the times. I mean when Andretti can go from not making races to qualifying good or McMurray winning first time out, or freshman and sophmore drivers winning and even starting to contend for a title that shows me that the car and the team is the major part of the show and not the driver. I'm not saying the some like Harvick or some of the others wouldn't have been able to make it 15 - 20 years ago, but I do think that when you take most of the racing out of the drivers hands and even the drivers are complaining that the way things are now with the rules that it is starting to be fake competition now.
 
Originally posted by Oldgoat@Aug 13 2003, 09:38 AM
I don't think that Jeff will get more than another one or two championships either. With Nascar making sure that the cars are equal now is making more competition although it is a somewhat fake competition to me. With the cars and track position and pit crews so dominant now the driver is a lot smaller factor than it used to be.
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I find it interesting that some People seem to think that Jeff Gordon will maybe get 1 or 2 more Championships,or a maximum of 6 Championships total,notice that this is one short of the 7 Cups won by RP & DESr,seems to Me wishful thinking on part of some fans,IMO He will get 8 or more total Championships b4 His career is over,consider that Jeff just turned 32 years old & is only in His 11th full Cup season,ie. He's still in His prime & as long as He's still racing there's always a chance of Jeff breaking the all-time Championship tie,I think He will,others don't,JMHO! ^_^
 
There is always the chance of winning more, but I think that as long as there is a strong base of teams, and unless Nascar gets out of the fixing the competition that his chances are greatly reduced. I'm not even sure that he wants to drive into his 40's. I tend to believe that was part of the reason that he bought in the 48 car deal. Even though I don't like Jeff that much I do have to admit that he is a awful good driver, but I don't think that he is quite all that he is cracked up to be.
 
Originally posted by 24thunder@Aug 14 2003, 11:11 AM

I find it interesting that some People seem to think that Jeff Gordon will maybe get 1 or 2 more Championships,or a maximum of 6 Championships total,notice that this is one short of the 7 Cups won by RP & DESr,seems to Me wishful thinking on part of some fans,IMO He will get 8 or more total Championships b4 His career is over,consider that Jeff just turned 32 years old & is only in His 11th full Cup season,ie. He's still in His prime & as long as He's still racing there's always a chance of Jeff breaking the all-time Championship tie,I think He will,others don't,JMHO! ^_^
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I have already explained why I believe Jeff Gordon will only get 1 or 2 more championships. Not wishful thinking, just looking at the facts.

In the 90's, when there wasnt much competition, he stood out as the premier driver.

Now, with all the competition there is in the series, he is just another face in the crowd.
 
Jeff Gordon wasnt blaming the accident on no1 @ Watkins Glen, he was mad @ the safty crew getting to his accident
 
Let's consider how many championships Jeff Gordon won before he hit 30 years old, 4.... 4 Championships, Dale Earnhardt Sr. and Richard Petty only picked up 1 championship before they hit their 30's. Now statistics dictate that Gordon would get a lot more, stating that he's 32 years old, 62 something wins. Especially stating, that the 24 team is still on top in NASCAR, it may not show it in terms of this year's points battle, but the 24 team still has equipment, engine power and other things which still are superior to many other race teams; even though theyre not on top of the points battle many people and drivers still think the 24 is the team to beat.
 
Jeff Gordon is going to be the best racing driver right now until JJ Yeley comes up
 
Originally posted by Happy29@Aug 14 2003, 04:33 PM
Let's consider how many championships Jeff Gordon won before he hit 30 years old, 4.... 4 Championships, Dale Earnhardt Sr. and Richard Petty only picked up 1 championship before they hit their 30's. Now statistics dictate that Gordon would get a lot more, stating that he's 32 years old, 62 something wins. Especially stating, that the 24 team is still on top in NASCAR, it may not show it in terms of this year's points battle, but the 24 team still has equipment, engine power and other things which still are superior to many other race teams; even though theyre not on top of the points battle many people and drivers still think the 24 is the team to beat.
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Let's consider how many championships Jeff Gordon won before he hit 30 years old, 4.... 4 Championships

Acvtually Jeff won 3 Championships b4 His 30th birthday,He's born on Aug.4,1971,so by the end of the 2001(4th Cup)season He's 30 years old.Still an impressive stat though IMO :eek:
 
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