Mayfield mudslinging?

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Kyle48

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This is interesting-

Jeremy Mayfield claims in court documents that team owner Ray Evernham's "close personal relationship" with development driver Erin Crocker distracted his team and kept the owner from being an instrumental part of the No. 19 Nextel Cup team, whose struggles this year eventually led to Mayfield's firing. Mayfield made that allegation in his lawsuit against Evernham Motorsports filed Aug. 9 in North Carolina Superior Court in Iredell County after Evernham Motorsports informed Mayfield Motorsports Inc. on Aug. 7 that Mayfield would not drive the car in the Aug. 13 race at Watkins Glen. Evernham responded in an affidavit that he has worked diligently to make sure that the No. 19 team had the personnel and resources to be successful. See full report on SceneDaily.com.(8-17-2006)
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Now, I'm not one for drama, but is Jeremy insinuating something? "Close personal relationship" to me, sounds like he's hinting they're an item. If this is the case, it certainly lowers my opinion of Crocker and Evernham, and it moderately lowers my opinion of her driving. She's decent, but I thought it was because she was young. Maybe she shows no potential at all and Ray just took a liking to her. :)

- k y l e
 
behind the scenes Jeremy was doing the same type of thing when he left Penske......it sounds like he wears out his welcome an then blames the other parties.
 
This Buds For Me said:
behind the scenes Jeremy was doing the same type of thing when he left Penske......it sounds like he wears out his welcome an then blames the other parties.
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Glad someone else noticed that too.
 
Kyle48 said:
Jeremy insinuating something? "Close personal relationship" to me, sounds like he's hinting they're an item.
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You didn't know? They've been an item for a while. Not news anymore.
 
Lap3Forever said:
Dang Ray beat me to her. :(

I met her at KLMS in 2004, and got to talk to her for a few mins.
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You snooze, you loose Lappy. You gotta grab what you can as soon as you can. Go for the gusto my man. :)
 
lol i noticed how the 2 are always together..so that theory is probably not far off hehe
 
It isn't a theory...Ray has been with Erin Crocker for at least 3 months now. It has not been something that has been kept a secret.
 
Whether Ray and Erin are having an affair is between them and the sponsors. Mayfield needs to grow up and show that he can drive. Ray shouldn't have to hold his hand or watch over the team, that is what he has hired crew chiefs and others for. If Mayfield can't adjust to the new cars/rules then it is probably best that he goes elsewhere anyway. Didn't Ray say that Mayfield had been through 5 CC's? Sounds like Mayfield is the problem more than Ray and Erin.
 
Right you are Oldgoat !!!!

For Mayfield to spill Evernham's personal life into the equation is low class. It makes no never mind whether the entire world was aware of any relationship Evernham might or might not have had with someone, it is none of Mayfield's business.

Mayfield did not perform for Evernham and when the going got tough, he blamed it on everyone else.
Mayfield reminds me of the guy who gets a traffic citation for going eighty miles an hour in a fifty-five mile an hour speed zone and says the cop is an azzhole.

Jeremy needs to adjust his attitude and negative comments or additional opportunities in the NEXTEL NASCAR Series will range from non-existent to scarce and the opportunities that might come along will be in less than competitive equipment.
 
This whole thread is becoming joke. Bad mouth that evil Mayfield. Bad guy. Bad driver. Sticks his nose in other peoples business.
The initial post talked about court documents. Papers filed in a lawsuit. Who knows who said what. Once lawyers are involved, everything is game.

It's not that I really care one way or another, but why is it when, for example, someone like Jeff Gordon is only accused of doing something outside his marriage, the whole forum community comes down on him, yet Evernham is still a saint? He had an affair with Crocker and then left his wife.
 
He had an affair with Crocker and then left his wife.
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Needed to be resaid. As to Jeremy, didn't he dump his wife for the girlfriend he has now? I find it sad that their jobs put them into close contact with those who would weaken the marital bonds...
 
bump, I'm in agreement with you on this one, but...:) I still want to put in my own two cents if I may.

The fact that Ray may or may not have had an affair isn't really in question here, but what the results were because of said affair. If Jeremy feels that he is more dependent on Ray as far as the race car goes, then in his mind, he's justified in saying that Ray is more at fault with his absence. On the other hand, as Whizzer says, Jeremy just didn't produce and that is what really matters. I've read a lot of rumors about Jeremy and his mind set on the whole deal, and I just think that after last season, Jeremy was becoming more and more upset about his loosing the crew and cars that he had somewhat good success with.

Remember all, things can get pretty personal and things can be said that shouldn't when people have a conflict, especially when the kind of money that is involved, is involved. Most of us say things we shouldn't when we get mad, and once those things are out in the open, they can come back to haunt us. Fortunately for most of us, we are pretty anonymous and if we say things that we shouldn't, only a few people might hear them and that doesn't hurt us all that much. But when you are a famous figure, such as any high dollar sports figure, what you say and do will be with you be scrutinized by millions.

As a fan of one of Ray's drivers, I feel for all of those in the garage area, but there are plenty of things that I don't agree with that has gone on in that garage. The thing that really bothers me is that the personal lives of these guys is dragged through the rough, and that is just so "Entertainment Tonight" like. But these guys lives are so open that it's hard to keep them separate.

One last thing, when a person is going through a split in a relationship, it will have an affect on what happens around that person. Ray, Jeremy, Kasey and Scott are all affected by this.
 
It was my understanding that Ray left his wife then started seeing Erin after, but makes no difference, the point is as Buck and a few other people have said is that Mayfield just hasn't performed. Plus run your mouth about the hand that feeds you and you will lose your job 95% of the time. Mayfield is just a middle of the Pack driver as far as i'm concerned, he's always been just that, and i don't see him being anything but that. Saddler isn't much better, but maybe he will gell with the team and get some good results.
 
Mopardh9 said:
It was my understanding that Ray left his wife then started seeing Erin after, but makes no difference, the point is as Buck and a few other people have said is that Mayfield just hasn't performed. Plus run your mouth about the hand that feeds you and you will lose your job 95% of the time. Mayfield is just a middle of the Pack driver as far as i'm concerned, he's always been just that, and i don't see him being anything but that. Saddler isn't much better, but maybe he will gell with the team and get some good results.
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He left his wife at 12:00pm and was with Erin at 12:00:01pm ;)

Saddler starting 2nd not much better??????? in the first time out?????? :confused:
 
Of course what people do in the private lives is their own business, and normally I don't comment on any of it. What was bothering me is that Mayfield is being accused of blaming Evernham's affair for some of his team's problems. What exactly did he say? All we've seen is what was in 'court documents'. Lawyer talk. Maybe Jeremy said nothing about the boss's love life.
 
Big deal Saddler qualified second , lets see how he races the rest of the season. I honestly hope he does well because i like the guy, i also like Evernham. I used to watch Ray race his modified when i was a kid, never thought he would make it this big. Rays personal life could have come into play here, but i think there is a lot of speculation going on, Mayfield could have some valid points or he could have been talking out his butt. Either way he is out of a job and probably won't have a ride as good as the 19 ever again.
 
apparently there is an article on Nascar.com that a 19 crewman has made a claim that earlier in the year that Jeremy's wife made a comment that Jeremy would be better off outside the top 36.

so..if thats true...do you think that maybe he has been laying off the gas so that Ray would let him go?
 
This Buds For Me said:
apparently there is an article on Nascar.com that a 19 crewman has made a claim that earlier in the year that Jeremy's wife made a comment that Jeremy would be better off outside the top 36.

so..if thats true...do you think that maybe he has been laying off the gas so that Ray would let him go?
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or maybe if they dropped out ray would actually pay attention and try to fix the "problem"?
 
This Buds For Me said:
apparently there is an article on Nascar.com that a 19 crewman has made a claim that earlier in the year that Jeremy's wife made a comment that Jeremy would be better off outside the top 36.

so..if thats true...do you think that maybe he has been laying off the gas so that Ray would let him go?
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She has denied that she said that.
 
Thing is it looks like Ray put Erin ahead of his and others payday. What has/does/will she do that will put enough coins in the pot to keep the organization in groceries. And, isn't that the bottom line? He has 3 teams in Cup and yet he's flying all over the country chasing a little tail rather than taking care of what should be the main focus of his business. Jack, Richard, Rick etc. know where their money comes from and that's where they are. If it happens that their Busch (or should that be Bush) driver is at the same location fine, otherwise #2 is overseeing that operation. Ray needs to look deep into his heart and maybe take some of the criticisms to heart before it affects the whole organizaion...
 
barelypure said:
Thing is it looks like Ray put Erin ahead of his and others payday. What has/does/will she do that will put enough coins in the pot to keep the organization in groceries. And, isn't that the bottom line? He has 3 teams in Cup and yet he's flying all over the country chasing a little tail rather than taking care of what should be the main focus of his business. Jack, Richard, Rick etc. know where their money comes from and that's where they are. If it happens that their Busch (or should that be Bush) driver is at the same location fine, otherwise #2 is overseeing that operation. Ray needs to look deep into his heart and maybe take some of the criticisms to heart before it affects the whole organizaion...
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How do you know this? Were you at every race that Ray an Erin were at? Like i said earlier a lot of this stuff is pure speculation and exaggeration by the media and people like us. I don't think Ray would jeopardise a mult-million dollar organization just so he could have a "little fun". It seems he is with her, but that is his deal, not ours, and really who are we to say what is right or wrong because we don't know all the details.
 
I don't seem to hear many calls that the teams are disrupted when Joe Gibbs is coaching football and not around. Yeah, I know that his kid is in charge, but so who knows who Ray has put in charge. Me thinks that you are on a personal vendetta against Ray and that's fine, but you ought to say that in the first place. If you don't like what Ray is doing, then say so for the basis of your own opinions. One thing that is for sure is that Elliott Sadler drove the car to a 10th place finish, the first top ten this year...and this was his first outing.
 
buckaroo said:
One thing that is for sure is that Elliott Sadler drove the car to a 10th place finish, the first top ten this year...and this was his first outing.
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New driver and new crew chief. Both shoud get the credit.
 
Now that this has gone on for 3 pages - my point was I was dismayed to read about the relationship, public or not, because it left me with a bad taste in my mouth considering Crocker. Should she really be eyed as a possible CC candidate, or is it Ray's *ahem* zipper talking.

She's a decent driver, but I can't see her ever fairing any better than say Mike Waltrip, or Kenny Wallace. There's been thread after thread on this forum questioning why they've got rides and sponsors. Kenny has a personality, Mikey has marketing prowess, Erin has...Ray's motorcoach key?

I didn't know about it, and when I found out it really killed the respect I had for what Ray was trying to do with making a NASCAR team more F1-esque, and move the management of the sport ahead as similarly as the technology has. I saw Crocker as a step in that direction; "who cares what you've got in your pants, let's drive." Now, Ray's objectivity is shot when it comes to her. If it becomes a full-blown relationship it could be akin to Kyle Petty still piloting the 45 - he's got the last name, and he writes the checks. Erin would simply be sleeping with the guy with the name (barring marriage, Evernham could be her name) and who signs the checks.

I was very dismayed Jeremy brought it up, I would have been better off not knowing, it was a low blow. However, if you agree with making the comment or not, when you stand back it serves the purpose that maybe Jeremy did try to get fired. Maybe he saw that as a huge conflict of interest (which it is, period), and didn't want to be a part of it. I can see that side too.

My whole point was I liked Evernham, I saw him as a forward thinker, a guy who was trying to take NASCAR team management into the 21st century. I saw Erin Crocker as a woman who had earned her stripes and finally got a shot with some great backing. Now, Ray's just another boss behind a desk chasing his secretaries, and Crocker's just willing to oblige.

- k y l e
 
I can't believe you didn't know, Kyle. Where have you been?

Evernham is a hypocrite. I never really liked him anyway. He was always a media hound. Always on TV. Every show he could get on. Related to racing or not. As crew chief and also as on owner. At least this affair seems to be slowing him down. Sure he was a good crew chief, but look who he had as a driver and owner. Gordon has proven that he could get to the top without Ray, but has Ray proven he can repeat his success without Jeff and Hendrick? Now he says his private life is private. Was it private when his kid was sick? Of course not. People in the public eye have no private life. Like it or not, that's the bottom line.
When a driver does well, his crew chief is almost always interviewed. And rightly so. But when one of Ray's guys wins, who gets the airtime? Ray. And BTW, he changes CC's like water. Bet he's a SOB to work for.
 
bumpzter said:
I can't believe you didn't know, Kyle. Where have you been?

Evernham is a hypocrite. I never really liked him anyway. He was always a media hound. Always on TV. Every show he could get on. Related to racing or not. As crew chief and also as on owner. At least this affair seems to be slowing him down. Sure he was a good crew chief, but look who he had as a driver and owner. Gordon has proven that he could get to the top without Ray, but has Ray proven he can repeat his success without Jeff and Hendrick? Now he says his private life is private. Was it private when his kid was sick? Of course not. People in the public eye have no private life. Like it or not, that's the bottom line.
When a driver does well, his crew chief is almost always interviewed. And rightly so. But when one of Ray's guys wins, who gets the airtime? Ray. And BTW, he changes CC's like water. Bet he's a SOB to work for.
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Again all speculation, Ray would not give Crocker a chance in Cup unless she had proven she was ready. She hasn't even come close to being ready for a Busch ride, so i doubt she will ever run Cup on a regular basis. I have yet to see all the details in print, i doubt i will, so while we can say this and that about him, he is a car owner with a lot of backing and a lot of money. Until Dodge pulls the plug on him, which seems unlikely, i'll go on being an Evernham fan. His personal life is his not ours even though he is the public spotlight.
 
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