Media worship of Jimmie Johnson

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31n2Spotter Brett Griffin said:
RT @jeff_gluck: Poll for driver of the year: JJ, Denny, Harvick or KyBu? -- these dudes can't carry jj's helmet
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jeff_gluck Jeff Gluck said:
@31n2Spotter I would vote for Jimmie as well, but the fans disagree with us, I guess.
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What the media forgets everytime they try to pull this "Jimmie is the greatest driver ever" crap is that Harvick scored more points than Jimmie, had more top-ten finishes than Jimmie and had a better average finish than Jimmie.

But, Jimmie Johnson deserves another award because he was the best driver over ten races.
 
I wish Jeff Gluck and Jenna Fryer would just go throw themselves on Jimmie Johnson and get it over with. It's gotten obnoxious.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
From Twitter:
What the media forgets everytime they try to pull this "Jimmie is the greatest driver ever" crap is that Harvick scored more points than Jimmie, had more top-ten finishes than Jimmie and had a better average finish than Jimmie.

But, Jimmie Johnson deserves another award because he was the best driver over ten races.
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I don't think that's a fair comparison. If winning the championship actually required more top-ten finishes and better average finish position then JJ and crew would have adjusted their strategy.
 
Yep. The 48 team knows how to go after a Championship using the system in place.
 
sloggie said:
I don't think that's a fair comparison. If winning the championship actually required more top-ten finishes and better average finish position then JJ and crew would have adjusted their strategy.
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PettyBlue said:
Yep. The 48 team knows how to go after a Championship using the system in place.
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I don't know. I don't think they could've beaten Harvick this year under the old format. Harvick was very consistent. It's not that Jimmie wasn't performing well (because he was), it's DNFs. Harvick didn't have those -- in fact, Harvick's always been good about finishing the race and not racking up a ton of DNFs. You can talk about teams changing strategies to adjust to points systems all you want, but nobody was going to beat Harvick this year if they had the old points system. He was rock solid.
 
Here's a thought for all the fans who like the chase. Since the season has 36 races, why not run 3 chase's throughout the season. Then we can have 3 champions instead of one. Yes this sounds stupid, but the current chase format is stupid also. The only way to compare drivers today to drivers in the past is by wins on the track, not championships. By doing this, JJ is not even close to being the greatest of all time. JMO
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I don't know. I don't think they could've beaten Harvick this year under the old format. Harvick was very consistent. It's not that Jimmie wasn't performing well (because he was), it's DNFs. Harvick didn't have those -- in fact, Harvick's always been good about finishing the race and not racking up a ton of DNFs. You can talk about teams changing strategies to adjust to points systems all you want, but nobody was going to beat Harvick this year if they had the old points system. He was rock solid.
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I agree totally. While it takes a tremendous amount of driving skill to win under the current format, there's little doubt that the Chase years would have produced drastically different results under the old format. There are years that Johnson simply got beat in the points as he did this year. I don't believe for a minute that the combination of Knaus/Johnson weren't racing for their best possible finish throughout the season. They still wanted to start the Chase out in front of everyone else. Chase or no Chase, these guys want to win every race.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I agree totally. While it takes a tremendous amount of driving skill to win under the current format, there's little doubt that the Chase years would have produced drastically different results under the old format. There are years that Johnson simply got beat in the points as he did this year. I don't believe for a minute that the combination of Knaus/Johnson weren't racing for their best possible finish throughout the season. They still wanted to start the Chase out in front of everyone else. Chase or no Chase, these guys want to win every race.
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This goes back to the media worship thing. They tell us every year that, Jimmie and Chad would've adjusted strategies if we had the old points system and would still be winning. I don't buy it.

We've seen it every year -- drivers get hot at certain times. This year, Jimmie got hot, then Hamlin got hot, then Kyle got hot, then Hamlin and Jimmie again. The only difference is, Harvick never exploded like Hamlin and Johnson, he wasn't great for two weeks and sucky the next two. He was really good every week and he deserved the championship Jimmie just won.

Same thing in 2007. Jimmie and Gordon's performances never changed during the Chase. Gordon outperformed Jimmie all year, but Gordon had a couple bad breaks during the Chase and Jimmie won it all.

It just ain't right how a guy can have ten bad races in the regular season (Hamlin, Johnson) and a guy can have 26 great races (Harvick), then the one guy has one bad race in the Chase (Harvick, Hamlin) and lose the championship because of it.
 
JJ and Chad would of approached the season entirely different if we raced under the old format. So to say he would of won X amount of championships under the old format is stupid. There is not way of telling how many he might of won, reality is.....JJ 5X Champ, like it or not.
 
Mopardh9 said:
JJ and Chad would of approached the season entirely different if we raced under the old format. So to say he would of won X amount of championships under the old format is stupid. There is not way of telling how many he might of won, reality is.....JJ 5X Champ, like it or not.
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He wouldn't have beaten Harvick. He raced every week the same way.

2007 and 2010 he would not have won had it not been for the "Made for Jimmie Johnson" points system.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
He wouldn't have beaten Harvick. He raced every week the same way.

2007 and 2010 he would not have won had it not been for the "Made for Jimmie Johnson" points system.
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This is like saying Kyle Bush would be the champion if they only counted wins because he always goes full out. It's pure speculation that can't be proven one way or the other.
 
sloggie said:
This is like saying Kyle Bush would be the champion if they only counted wins because he always goes full out. It's pure speculation that can't be proven one way or the other.
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Read dpkimmel's post. Jimmie goes for the win every single week. He had several wins during the regular season, trying to get the first seed in the Chase. Despite that, he and Hamlin were both outperformed because they collected DNFs (Johnson at the RP tracks, Hamlin either won or wrecked trying to it seemed), something Harvick just doesn't do. It just doesn't matter what strategy they had.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Read dpkimmel's post. Jimmie goes for the win every single week. He had several wins during the regular season, trying to get the first seed in the Chase. Despite that, he and Hamlin were both outperformed because they collected DNFs (Johnson at the RP tracks, Hamlin either won or wrecked trying to it seemed), something Harvick just doesn't do.
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Drivers all go for the win every week. Some go for it harder than others. Kyle, for example, would risk running out of gas if he has a chance for the win. JJ isn't going to do anything like that.

Not to mention that his crew chief is experimenting with different setups for the first 26 races.
 
sloggie said:
Drivers all go for the win every week. Some go for it harder than others. Kyle, for example, would risk running out of gas if he has a chance for the win. JJ isn't going to do anything like that.

Not to mention that his crew chief is experimenting with different setups for the first 26 races.
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Dude, you're missing the point. Jimmie Johnson had one of his best overall seasons ever, he was outperformed by Harvick and the Chase was THE only way he was going to win #5 this year.
 
Well, heres a novel idea. Why the hell doesn't the series just alternate points systems every year. Chase year/36 race year/chase year........ that would make just about everyone happy, wouldn't it?
I'd love to see how the teams adjust every year....
it wouldn't take a whole lot of doing either.
MoMike
 
MoMike said:
Well, heres a novel idea. Why the hell doesn't the series just alternate points systems every year. Chase year/36 race year/chase year........ that would make just about everyone happy, wouldn't it?
I'd love to see how the teams adjust every year....
it wouldn't take a whole lot of doing either.
MoMike
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I have an even better idea. Let's have a 36 race Chase with 43 drivers where the points are reset in the first race of the Chase (Daytona).
 
MoMike said:
Well, heres a novel idea. Why the hell doesn't the series just alternate points systems every year. Chase year/36 race year/chase year........ that would make just about everyone happy, wouldn't it?
I'd love to see how the teams adjust every year....
it wouldn't take a whole lot of doing either.
MoMike
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No game 7 moment for Brian France.
 
sloggie said:
No game 7 moment for Brian France.
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It hasn't been happening with the exception of this year.
The last 3-4 chase seasons have sucked.
I say alternate the points system every other year.
 
MoMike said:
???????:confused:
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Pretty simple. The Chase starts at Daytona in February and ends at Homestead in November. Every driver is eligible for points during the Chase and the best man throughout the course of the Chase wins the championship.

Sounds like the old points system, I know. But, is Brian France really smart enough to figure that out?:D
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
He wouldn't have beaten Harvick. He raced every week the same way.

2007 and 2010 he would not have won had it not been for the "Made for Jimmie Johnson" points system.
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God...will people please stop this *****ing already? Jeez...you sound as bad as the Media Worshipper Andy....
 
SpeedPagan said:
God...will people please stop this *****ing already? Jeez...you sound as bad as the Media Worshipper Andy....
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I will not stop and I will not get over it until Kevin Harvick is sitting at the head table in Vegas for scoring the most points this season.
 
MoMike said:
Well, heres a novel idea. Why the hell doesn't the series just alternate points systems every year. Chase year/36 race year/chase year........ that would make just about everyone happy, wouldn't it?
I'd love to see how the teams adjust every year....
it wouldn't take a whole lot of doing either.
MoMike
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I got a better idea, why don't people just stop *****ing about the chase and just accept it, or better yet, don't watch.

The *****ing has gotten old people.
 
SpeedPagan said:
I got a better idea, why don't people just stop *****ing about the chase and just accept it, or better yet, don't watch.

The *****ing has gotten old people.
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You're letting the fact that Jimmie's your favorite driver get in the way. If everyone who loathes the Chase stops watching NASCAR, there would only be 100,000 people or less watching each week (and we can guess who the favorite driver for 90% of those people is:rolleyes:)

Maybe Brian France needs to realize he made a catastrophic mistake and go back to the way it was before he fixed something that wasn't broken.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I will not stop and I will not get over it until Kevin Harvick is sitting at the head table in Vegas for scoring the most points this season.
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Well he didn't ok? So just shut up already, gods almighty....

1. Jimmie Johnson 6622
2. Denny Hamlin 6583
3. Kevin Harvick 6581

That's how the points shook out. Johnson, Hamlin, Harvick knew the rules going into the 2010 season. At the beginning of The Chase, they all had an equal chance of winning The Championship.

As I like to say often, Deal.
 
MRM said:
After the points were artificially adjusted.
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The points themselves are artificial.

Like I said, ALL the drivers knew the rules going into the 2010 season, and the 12 drivers who made the cut, all had an equal chance to win The Championship.

If they didn't like the rules, then I'm sure they were more than welcome to give up their ride to someone else.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Well he didn't ok? So just shut up already, gods almighty....

1. Jimmie Johnson 6622
2. Denny Hamlin 6583
3. Kevin Harvick 6581

That's how the points shook out. Johnson, Hamlin, Harvick knew the rules going into the 2010 season. At the beginning of The Chase, they all had an equal chance of winning The Championship.

As I like to say often, Deal.
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That's what it looked like after a welfare points system redistributed points.
 
SpeedPagan said:
all had an equal chance to win The Championship.
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NOT.Bowyer was deducted points when NASCAR said his car was .040 out of spec.Jimmie's team got to replace the Illegal parts they were caught with without point deduction TWICE.Not really a equal chance in my eyes but I'm sure you see it differently.
 
mike honcho said:
NOT.Bowyer was deducted points when NASCAR said his car was .040 out of spec.Jimmie's team got to replace the Illegal parts they were caught with without point deduction TWICE.Not really a equal chance in my eyes but I'm sure you see it differently.
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Once again, nothing official ever came from NASCAR, and I have never seen any reputable sport reporting agency comment on Johnson/Knaus cheating in the 2010 season.

But I guess if you're going to do something in the off season, flying black helicopters is a good way to pass the time.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
That's what it looked like after a welfare points system redistributed points.
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Well you know what Andy, don't watch the 2011 season. Stick to ARCA, but if you do watch the 2011 season, then I don't want to hear you *****ing.

deal?
 
SpeedPagan said:
Well you know what Andy, don't watch the 2011 season. Stick to ARCA, but if you do watch the 2011 season, then I don't want to hear you *****ing.

deal?
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So you want everybody who dislikes the Chase and *****es about it to stop watching NASCAR?

Why do you hate NASCAR racing? Why do you hate America?
 
SpeedPagan said:
Once again, nothing official ever came from NASCAR, and I have never seen any reputable sport reporting agency comment on Johnson/Knaus cheating in the 2010 season.

But I guess if you're going to do something in the off season, flying black helicopters is a good way to pass the time.
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ESPN's not a reputable sport reporting agency?
 
SpeedPagan said:
But I guess if you're going to do something in the off season, flying black helicopters is a good way to pass the time.
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Well it's about the same as kissing Jimmie's arse only thing is I don't go thru as much Chap-Stick.:D
 
mike honcho said:
Well it's about the same as kissing Jimmie's arse only thing is I don't go thru as much Chap-Stick.:D
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