Memorial weekend bonehead award

I actually wouldn't vote for Hildebrand, him crashing into the wall was the most exciting thing about the Indy 500. For that I won't for vote for him. I guess I would vote for Vickers for getting into Treux.
 
Kevin Harvick for getting into Kasey Kahne in the NNS race and then blaming Kahne for it.
 
Since I only pick Nascar drivers for this I guess I'll have to go with Vickers for running over Truex when he had plenty of time to slow down.
 
Hilderbrand accident was a bit understandable. Car out of fuel on the bottom going well off pace and there is no grip on the top of the track. Cant really slow down to much because Wheldon was about a couple seconds behind.

My vote would actualy go to the whole Roush team. They pretty much dominated the 600 with all 4 cars and couldnt get the job done with any of them.
 
Smoke14 said:
JR Hildebrand

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :D
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JR Hildebrand by a long shot. Unfortunately for him, his name will forever be included among the likes of Bill Buckner, Chris Webber, and Jim Marshall.
 
I'm going to split my vote: ½ to F1 for allowing teams to change tires under the red flag, and ½ to NA__AR for allowing team member to push their team mates on all laps except the final one.

I actually was tempted to give NA__AR 2/3 and F1 only 1/3 because of their obvious attempt to allow Junior to win a race by NOT throwing the caution flag after Keselowski started throwing bits and pieces of his car all over the track. Howver, I guess I can also see the rationale for NOT throwing it also. I just wonder how they would have treated the situation if, or let's say Robbie Gordon were in Junior position on the track?
 
John Galt said:
I'm going to split my vote: ½ to F1 for allowing teams to change tires under the red flag, and ½ to NA__AR for allowing team member to push their team mates on all laps except the final one.

I actually was tempted to give NA__AR 2/3 and F1 only 1/3 because of their obvious attempt to allow Junior to win a race by NOT throwing the caution flag after Keselowski started throwing bits and pieces of his car all over the track. Howver, I guess I can also see the rationale for NOT throwing it also. I just wonder how they would have treated the situation if, or let's say Robbie Gordon were in Junior position on the track?
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Stewart Fan said:
It was a little weird they didn't throw a caution I just assumed everyone was out of the way.
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Good article here, called "Head2Head: How should NASCAR handle late-race cautions?", on the subject at hand.
 
nascage said:
Good article here, called "Head2Head: How should NASCAR handle late-race cautions?", on the subject at hand.
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I agree with the "Only If necessary" proposal. The problem is, as I see it (And I fully admit that I have a built in bias toward this current NA__AR administration) is C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-C-Y. How many times have we seem them throw a last lap caution with a lot less reason to toss it than they had last night?

The claim that they wanted Junior to win is almost, but not quite, moot. As leader he would have been given the victory if the yellow flew because he was in the lead. If he hadn't have run out of gas he would also have clearly been the winner. But, I suspect that NA__AR would much, much rather have their most popular [finally] win a race under green than have it handed to him under a last lap yellow. Maybe that supposition is wrong but their inconsistency leaves that door for suspicion wide open.

As long as NA__AR continues to treat their rules one way one race and another way the next, their credibility is in the toilet. For me, that alone earns them the "Bonehead Award."
 
John Galt said:
I agree with the "Only If necessary" proposal. The problem is, as I see it (And I fully admit that I have a built in bias toward this current NA__AR administration) is C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-C-Y. How many times have we seem them throw a last lap caution with a lot less reason to toss it than they had last night?

The claim that they wanted Junior to win is almost, but not quite, moot. As leader he would have been given the victory if the yellow flew because he was in the lead. If he hadn't have run out of gas he would also have clearly been the winner. But, I suspect that NA__AR would much, much rather have their most popular [finally] win a race under green than have it handed to him under a last lap yellow. Maybe that supposition is wrong but their inconsistency leaves that door for suspicion wide open.

As long as NA__AR continues to treat their rules one way one race and another way the next, their credibility is in the toilet. For me, that alone earns them the "Bonehead Award."
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Smoke14 said:
JR Hildebrand

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :D
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It wasn't his fault, his spotter f*cked up by instead of telling him not to pass that slower car, but the spotter told him to go to the outside to make the pass. But even still he pushed that wrecked car to a 2nd place finish.
 
nascage said:
JR Hildebrand by a long shot. Unfortunately for him, his name will forever be included among the likes of Bill Buckner, Chris Webber, and Jim Marshall.
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Great list. I would have to add Mark Martin to the list though.
 
Jeez, y'all bytch when they throw a caution and now you bytch when they don't.

How ironic though, 2007 Daytona 500 and yesterday's World 600 both ended with the same guy in victory lane with a last lap pass. The Closer!! :beerbang:
 
blue92 said:
It wasn't his fault, his spotter f*cked up by instead of telling him not to pass that slower car, but the spotter told him to go to the outside to make the pass. But even still he pushed that wrecked car to a 2nd place finish.
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Hilderbrand admitted that he went too high too fast, not his spotter fault.

Hiderbrand gets this by a long shot.
 
[wondering to self how many weeks will pass before Andy changes his liking for Harvick]
 
chromehorn said:
Hilderbrand admitted that he went too high too fast, not his spotter fault.

Hiderbrand gets this by a long shot.
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Guess you didn't see Mario Andretti on Wind Tunnel extra Sunday night where he said his spotter screwed up and Robin Miller said yes he did.
 
blue92 said:
Guess you didn't see Mario Andretti on Wind Tunnel extra Sunday night where he said his spotter screwed up and Robin Miller said yes he did.
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No I didn't, I'm going off the interview of Hilderbrand. I think I'll go with the guy driving the car, smartass.
 
Dam the kid got 799 of the 800 corners perfect. And he finished in front of all but one car. In a wrecked race car. Try doing that at home.:):)
 
Nascar for attempting to give Jr. The win by not waving the yellow :mad:
 
Nascar doesnt throw every caution these days. :D:Dthe track was clear. Good Call Nascar!
 
RCR4Life said:
Nascar for attempting to give Jr. The win by not waving the yellow :mad:
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DJ Rossi said:
Nascar doesnt throw every caution these days. :D:Dthe track was clear. Good Call Nascar!
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From NASCAR.com:
Kahne's car wiggled as it was struck by the onrushing vehicle of Brad Keselowski, and two cars spun in the choked-up aftermath, but in NASCAR's eyes the field righted itself quickly enough and kept rolling, so the caution flag stayed furled.

"There were spins and stuff," said Robin Pemberton, NASCAR's vice president for competition, "but they all got rolling, so it was OK."
 
RCR4Life said:
Nascar for attempting to give Jr. The win by not waving the yellow :mad:
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I'm with you there. I've never been so pissed at a race. So damn blatant that it was a joke.


DJ Rossi said:
Nascar doesnt throw every caution these days. :D:Dthe track was clear. Good Call Nascar!
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Here is the problem I have with that. They throw a caution for "debris" all the time but the cameramen can never seem to find it or the track officials going to pick something up but if Jr (or insert other NASCAR favorite here) has the lead there can be sheet metal flying all over the place with no caution thrown. And ever notice the mystery debris cautions almost always when the field is way spread out?

Whatever, I give up on NASCAR. I have really grown to hate it this season and that race might have been the straw that broke the back. I absolutely hate fuel mileage races, I can't ****ing stand them, all it proves is that some crew chiefs pay more attention to the numbers and has nothing to do with the guys running up front.
 
RCR4Life said:
Nascar for attempting to give Jr. The win by not waving the yellow :mad:
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Don'tcha know that if the yellow were thrown that the Joonyer haters would as quickly say that the flag was to allow him to save gas for the finish.

:D
 
I thought NASCAR made the right call keeping the green out. I've always thought NASCAR was too quick to throw cautions -- the only time they should throw a caution that quick is when a car is on its roof or stopped.

But I see why people are upset. NASCAR's thrown cautions for debris in the grass, cars scraping the wall and moving on and for no reason whatsoever.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I thought NASCAR made the right call keeping the green out. I've always thought NASCAR was too quick to throw cautions -- the only time they should throw a caution that quick is when a car is on its roof or stopped.

But I see why people are upset. NASCAR's thrown cautions for debris in the grass, cars scraping the wall and moving on and for no reason whatsoever.
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Thats the thing, if they were consistent with it then I would have no problem at all. We all know that consistent and NASCAR are two words that are rarely used in the same sentence unless it's to describe the lack of it.
 
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