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NASCAR announces rule change that will add more horsepower to cars at 'Dega. Sounds like the idea is to break up the two-car drafts a bit.

NASCAR will increase the diameter of the holes in the restrictor plate from 56/64ths of an inch to 57/64ths to add 7-10 hp.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
NASCAR announces rule change that will add more horsepower to cars at 'Dega. Sounds like the idea is to break up the two-car drafts a bit.

NASCAR will increase the diameter of the holes in the restrictor plate from 56/64ths of an inch to 57/64ths to add 7-10 hp.
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Probably to compensate for the loss of power from E15.

SST55 said:
Now the two car draft will be even faster. BRILLANT!
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This will help: NASCAR also will recalibrate pressure relief valve on cars' cooling systems, reducing pressure by about 8 lbs per square inch.

I can't wait for the aero era to be over.
 
More on this.....

Additionally, the pressure relief valve on the cars’ cooling system will be recalibrated to reduce the pressure by approximately eight pounds per square inch from last April’s NASCAR Sprint Cup Series race at Talladega.

“After the last few superspeedway races, we’ve heard many drivers express their desire to open up the size of the restrictor plate some and we thought the time was right to do that,” said Robin Pemberton, NASCAR vice president, competition. “We anticipate these revisions in the rules package for Talladega will help continue to provide competitive and exciting racing for the fans.”
 
WOOOOOHOOOOO LET EM EAT BOYS!!!!

oh wait it's only 1/64th of an inch :(

Why are they Lowering the pressure in the cooling system???
Less pressure means the coolant will boil at a lower temperature and engines will overheat sooner unless they take more tape off the grill.....which will slow the cars back down :(:(:(
 
Per Robin Pemberton:

After extensive research at the NA$CAR R&D center opening the plate and lowering the pressure in the cooling system will decrease speeds...we think,,,actually we haven't a effin clue but it looks good on paper. At least that's what brain says and he's never wrong. (that we'll never admit he is because this is a real cushy job)

try to go racin' boys....:sarcasm:
 
FlFlash said:
WOOOOOHOOOOO LET EM EAT BOYS!!!!

oh wait it's only 1/64th of an inch :(

Why are they Lowering the pressure in the cooling system???
Less pressure means the coolant will boil at a lower temperature and engines will overheat sooner unless they take more tape off the grill.....which will slow the cars back down :(:(:(
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But we will see more lane changing action. MORE WRECKS. Great formula for what seems to be high speed highway driving. Not racing.

It's like having a car out there that's about equal to everybody elses. Who has more or less brains is what it really comes down to.
 
What Pemberton & Brain Fart need to do is send some teams down to Talladega for a non-plate test session. IMO, the cars should at least be allowed to run 200mph, I understand that getting rid of it completely would probably put that cars at around 225 to 235mph range but that's why they should do a private test session with a couple select teams & start from there, open the plate & then close it back up just enough to get down to 200 to 205mph range. Screw it why don't they build some old IROC Camaro's & use those instead....
 
The new radiator pressure valve will pop off at approximately 8 pounds less than before, which means water temps can't run as hot as before.

Drivers will need to swap positions in 2-car draft more often or break apart more or pusher will jut to right to get more air in grille.

Translated..... Probably not much difference but who knows?
 
Restrictor Plate King! said:
What Pemberton & Brain Fart need to do is send some teams down to Talladega for a non-plate test session. IMO, the cars should at least be allowed to run 200mph, I understand that getting rid of it completely would probably put that cars at around 225 to 235mph range but that's why they should do a private test session with a couple select teams & start from there, open the plate & then close it back up just enough to get down to 200 to 205mph range. Screw it why don't they build some old IROC Camaro's & use those instead....
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That's a NO GO with NASCAR's insurance company! They have stated repeatedly over the years that 190-195 mph is where they want to limit it to. A few years ago when they first repaved Atlanta the speeds where over that and there was talk of installing restrictor plates on the cars there also :( luckily the track wore in and slowed a bit :D
 
MOEJOE said:
GET THE SAWZALLS!!!!! CUT THE FENDERS RIGHT OFF THE DAMN CAR, AND REPLACE WITH REBAR!!!!!!
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That could be good. ;)

The splitter has changed the style of racing more than many realize. That aero pushing, tire splittin', weed whacking piece of sheet has to go. Just rip it out and brace up the nose piece. The cars will be slower in the turns and foward bite will be what everyone is after. Door slamming will return, along with using your bumper because everyone won't be so anal about messing up their precious aero package.
 
I like the 2 car draft. It takes more skill and less luck than the 2 trains racing style we used to see. That was always about "The big one", and there is a lot less mention of that since the 2 car draft.

But the 2 car draft did change as teams got better at cooling the pushing car. With the radiator pressure adjustment, the smooth switch will be important again.

The horsepower adjustment is minor, but it could make the slingshot move more viable. It should also put a slightly higher strain on the cooling system.
 
A little more info released on this subject.....

NASCAR Vice President of Competition Robin Pemberton said the changes come at the request of series competitors. "After the last few superspeedway races, we've heard many drivers express their desire to open up the size of the restrictor plate some, and we thought the time was right to do that," he said. "We anticipate these revisions in the rules package for Talladega will help continue to provide competitive and exciting racing for the fans."
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No mention from Pemberton about breaking up the 2X2. Only that the restrictor plate increase was at the request of the competitors.
 
Plate Racing Ain't Racing! It's an edge-of-your-seat crapshoot.

The cars could probably reach 225mph if they could go full-throttle for the entire lap. That's insanity for a CUP Car. (It's insane for the IZOD Series too, for that matter). The key to slowing the cars down is to create a rules package that forces the drivers to lift off of the throttle when entering the turns. It's that simple!

At Michigan, Fontucky and Pocono, drivers regularly exceed 200 mph entering Turn One and it's no big deal, because they have to get out of the throttle if they want to avoid hitting the outside wall.

The same thing could be done at Dega and Daytona with one or two very simple fixes. Increasing the size of the holes in the plate is not one of them, BTW...
 
robbybee said:
The cars could probably reach 225mph if they could go full-throttle for the entire lap. That's insanity for a CUP Car.
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Yep, exactly.

Flashback..... June 9th, 2004. Rusty Wallace hits 228 mph in Talladega trial.

"We hit 228 (mph) at the end of the straightaway and averaged 221 (mph) for that overall lap segment," an excited Wallace said late Wednesday as he prepared to head back home to North Carolina. "It was a helluva deal that I certainly will remember for the rest of my life. We'd all been wondering what it would feel like to run at Talladega again without the (restrictor-) plates and now I know. I'll bet we could be running speeds up to 235 (mph) without the plates if we spent time doing some tweaking.
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Full story here.

And that was seven years ago.
 
Stewart Fan said:
They might as well just make it a 10 lap race because that's all that matters anyway.
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Yeah tell your girlfriend you want to skip the forplay and move on to the important part ;) let me know how it works out if you gather up the nads to ask :D
 
I can't wait until they listen to some dumb idea and just turn Dega and Daytona into another California that will be exciting:sarcasm:
 
kkfan91 said:
I can't wait until they listen to some dumb idea and just turn Dega and Daytona into another California that will be exciting:sarcasm:
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Actually, when NASCAR shortened the Fontucky race to 400 miles from 500, it did have an impact on the quality of the racing in a positive way.
 
robbybee said:
Actually, when NASCAR shortened the Fontucky race to 400 miles from 500, it did have an impact on the quality of the racing in a positive way.
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Yeah it was 100 miles less of single file follow the leader. Which is what would happen.
 
SST55 said:
Per Robin Pemberton:

After extensive research at the NA$CAR R&D center opening the plate and lowering the pressure in the cooling system will decrease speeds...we think,,,actually we haven't a effin clue but it looks good on paper. At least that's what brain says and he's never wrong. (that we'll never admit he is because this is a real cushy job)

try to go racin' boys....:sarcasm:
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All this will do is make them switch sooner , which will increase the chance of a mistake, equating to more accidents. The drivers hate it the tandem racing and most of the fans hate it, Nascar needs to once again get their head out of their ass and fix Dega and Daytona. Instead they put the usual band aid on the problem.
 
FenderBumper said:
I like the 2 car draft. It takes more skill and less luck than the 2 trains racing style we used to see. That was always about "The big one", and there is a lot less mention of that since the 2 car draft.

But the 2 car draft did change as teams got better at cooling the pushing car. With the radiator pressure adjustment, the smooth switch will be important again.

The horsepower adjustment is minor, but it could make the slingshot move more viable. It should also put a slightly higher strain on the cooling system.
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Slingshot? They can't slingshot with the tandem crap, the car in back is screwed, and plus he can't see crap!
 
Mopardh9 said:
Slingshot? They can't slingshot with the tandem crap, the car in back is screwed, and plus he can't see crap!
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I hope you're kidding. Kez / Carl and Harvick / McMurray (fall 2010) were classic slingshot passes. It's not dead in the tandem.
 
FenderBumper said:
I hope you're kidding. Kez / Carl and Harvick / McMurray (fall 2010) were classic slingshot passes. It's not dead in the tandem.
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No I'm not kidding, the car pushing can't pull out and slingshot, he is stuck pushing the car in front of him. By sling shot in the tradtional sense of the Superspeedway definition in the draft, the car behind should be able to pull out and get a run to pass the car in front of him. They can't do that now, only a tandem can "slingshot". This is another failure by Nascar to address the problem properly, I hope they fix it by 2012 at Daytona. Some of you here think that tag team racing is exciting and great, to me it is a gimmick just like the Chase, and it isn't real racing.
 
FenderBumper said:
I hope you're kidding. Kez / Carl and Harvick / McMurray (fall 2010) were classic slingshot passes. It's not dead in the tandem.
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Those where not the classic "Slingshot" in a slingshot the tailing car backs off the leading car then uses the draft to pull himself back up and by the lead car. When I get some time later I'll see if I can find some video.
In those particular passes you mention the second car is in the rear bumper upsetting the lead car and able to pass.
Unless the second car in Our current 2 car draft upsets the lead car he's completely at the lead cars mercy, not enough power or draft to slip by in the current car.
 
FlFlash said:
In those particular passes you mention the second car is in the rear bumper upsetting the lead car and able to pass.
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I'm real sure Kez never touches Edwards until Carl runs into him, but Harvicks move wasn't as clean.

Our definitions of slingshot are a little different. The trailing car isn't pushing air, so he has reserve pedal when he breaks out from behind. This is exactly what we used to see in the long line draft.
 
LOL, the kinda of two car tandem racing I,ve been seeing this year Has the Trailing cars Bumper Touching/Pushing the front car and the trailing drivers foot is buried in the gas! Sometimes they get off them going into the corners sometimes they don't :eek:
 
FlFlash said:
LOL, the kinda of two car tandem racing I,ve been seeing this year Has the Trailing cars Bumper Touching/Pushing the front car and the trailing drivers foot is buried in the gas! Sometimes they get off them going into the corners sometimes they don't :eek:
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That's exactly what has been going on since this 2-car thing began. It seems to hardly make sense as the lead car has to leave off of the gas in order to stay hooked up.
 
Another feeble attempt by NASCAR to fix the crappy plate races

UPDATE: The larger restrictor plate could push speeds over 200 mph, but the combination of the pop-off valve change likely means the cars won't be able to stay locked together for as many laps. #00-David Reutimann crew chief Rodney Childers thinks drivers might be limited to a lap of pushing before needing to swap. "Changing the plates will be better," Childers said. "It should make it more racy, where you can pull out and pass. If they are wanting to make it where people can't draft as long, it's going to do that. Probably only a half of a lap or a lap is all you're going to get out of it." Chad Johnston, crew chief for #56-Martin Truex Jr., predicted that drivers will have to swap positions more. That could make it dicey, he said, because drivers will have to swap while also avoiding the two-car packs closing in behind them. The chances of something going wrong on a swap are going to go up obviously, but hopefully it will eliminate or lessen the two-by-two racing," he said.(Associated Press/ESPN)(9-22-2011)
 
C'mon, guys! Think about it!

The key to the old "slingshot" move was the fact that the chasing driver had throttle response! When everyone is driving around in circles with their foot buried in the floorboard, there IS no throttle response, hence, no chance of overtaking.

Plate racing is an effen joke, IMO...
 
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