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In their latest press release, they never did anything to formally apologize to the fans, just more excuses.

They also said it will take seven days for them to decide whether they would refund fans turned away at the gate.

:rolleyes:

No commentary necessary, other than this: Kentucky Speedway should be off the NASCAR schedule entirely. Let them host IndyCar and ARCA races in front of 500 people.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
In their latest press release, they never did anything to formally apologize to the fans, just more excuses.

They also said it will take seven days for them to decide whether they would refund fans turned away at the gate.

:rolleyes:

No commentary necessary, other than this: Kentucky Speedway should be off the NASCAR schedule entirely. Let them host IndyCar and ARCA races in front of 500 people.
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It's not all the tracks falght. Hell i was there, i spent a ton of money on a hotel that was worth 1/2 the price. Walked no telling how far, falght traffic just like everyone else. Im not mad, i think things could of been better, but im not going to have a fit and ***** about. I know this happans and alot of places, but the people useing 2-3 spots to tailgate also took up a good deal of parking. I am not saying drop the races, I was there i know how it was. I made the best out of the drive and everything and still had fun
 
Lap3Forever said:
It's not all the tracks falght. Hell i was there, i spent a ton of money on a hotel that was worth 1/2 the price. Walked no telling how far, falght traffic just like everyone else. Im not mad, i think things could of been better, but im not going to have a fit and ***** about. I know this happans and alot of places, but the people useing 2-3 spots to tailgate also took up a good deal of parking. I am not saying drop the races, I was there i know how it was. I made the best out of the drive and everything and still had fun
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This is more about the people who spend upwards of $170 per ticket to watch the race and were sent home without refund. That's bull****.

Our local baseball park is run better than that place. I had a bad experience there during their opening season... instead of saying "We had challenges related to", they offered me a refund and tickets to ten games.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
This is more about the people who spend upwards of $170 per ticket to watch the race and were sent home without refund. That's bull****.

Our local baseball park is run better than that place. I had a bad experience there during their opening season... instead of saying "We had challenges related to", they offered me a refund and tickets to ten games.
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I haven't kept up with everything, but why were 22,000 people sent home?
 
Lap3Forever said:
It's not all the tracks falght. Hell i was there, i spent a ton of money on a hotel that was worth 1/2 the price. Walked no telling how far, falght traffic just like everyone else. Im not mad, i think things could of been better, but im not going to have a fit and ***** about. I know this happans and alot of places, but the people useing 2-3 spots to tailgate also took up a good deal of parking. I am not saying drop the races, I was there i know how it was. I made the best out of the drive and everything and still had fun
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Good for you Lappy, great way to look at it. No point in flippin out over it especially from home.
You will outlive Andy by 30+ years
I only wish I could have that attitude all the time.
:beerbang::beerbang::beerbang:
 
racer8 said:
I'm hearing they told them no where to park, GO AWAY
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What I read this morning was that the police had to start reversing the traffic flow for egress at the halfway point. Once the traffic's pointed out, I guess ya can't get in.
 
racer8 said:
I'm hearing they told them no where to park, GO AWAY
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VaDirt said:
What I read this morning was that the police had to start reversing the traffic flow for egress at the halfway point. Once the traffic's pointed out, I guess ya can't get in.
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From what fans are saying, they were turned away due to lack of parking. Nick said either here or elsewhere, people were taking up two or three parking spots with one vehicle to tailgate -- if that's the case, that's all track management.

People are paid to direct traffic, even in to parking spots. From what many people said on Twitter, those people who were directing traffic were sitting on coolers checking their Blackberries. Other people said nobody was directing people where to park -- maybe Nick can clarify for me.

I wasn't there, but some of the things Nick is saying are very different from what hundreds of people on Twitter (fans, drivers, crew members, media, etc.) are saying.
 
Was it bad? Yes. Was itva cluster $&@!? Yes. But I made the best out of it. I'm sure the track could of done things better, but not 100% is on the track. I delt with a few a**hole cops. Th & Friday workers were parking cars very good. Idk what happand Saturday. They need to make it a 6 lane from around 15 miles to the track. It is a 6 lane for a mile or more Now. But not long enough. Let's give them one year to get it fixed before we yell to take away the date.

I did not see a traffic working playing around. They seemed to be doing good th & fr
 
Oh, and hearing Kenny Wallace say that the people who spent hundreds, even thousands of dollars, to go to the race only to be turned away after spending hours in traffic should dust it off and grow up (followed by laughter) is, well, asinine:

Here's how "rough" things were for Kenny:

He arrives at the track via helicopter. He walks in to the track before the gates open. He walks in to SPEED compound where Kentucky Speedway gives them food and beverages (while the fans wait at concessions only to find out KY Speedway is out of $4 waters that they weren't allowed to bring in). He watches the race from an air conditioned suite high atop the racetrack. After the post-race show, he flies out of the track via helicopter. He's on the airplane back to Charlotte in 30 minutes while fans are still waiting in parking lots at 4am.

Darrell Waltrip said last night's race was the greatest event in NASCAR history. Too bad 20,000 paying fans didn't get to see it:rolleyes:

That shows how out of touch the NASCAR people are. NASCAR and the mainstream media outlets (NASCAR.com, SPEED, TNT) refuse to even apologize to the fans. Kentucky Speedway's so busy blaming everyone around them for the mess, they can't apologize.

Some of the people who were there may have enjoyed it, but I'm reading a lot of comments from people who were taking their kids to their first ever NASCAR race that won't ever watch again. Although, I would hope these fans change their mind and go to Richmond or Kansas and see how a race is really run.

Kentucky's been hosting races for ten years... and, as highlighted by toledo47, it doesn't sound like many fans enjoy that track. A few of my facebook buddies in Indiana who have been to Kentucky refused to go because they knew the race would be a disaster.
 
Lap3Forever said:
Was it bad? Yes. Was itva cluster $&@!? Yes. But I made the best out of it. I'm sure the track could of done things better, but not 100% is on the track. I delt with a few a**hole cops. Th & Friday workers were parking cars very good. Idk what happand Saturday. They need to make it a 6 lane from around 15 miles to the track. It is a 6 lane for a mile or more Now. But not long enough. Let's give them one year to get it fixed before we yell to take away the date.

I did not see a traffic working playing around. They seemed to be doing good th & fr
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The State of Kentucky has a $1 billion (with a b) deficit. I doubt they can justify building more roads and expanding interstates (projects that will cost upwards of $100 million) for one race.
 
Lap3Forever said:
While Herm may have it easy. He's still got to "bum" rides off people. He does not have a plane :p
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Berating fans who just got bent over without the courtesy of a reach-around is not cool.

I've always *though* Kenny Wallace was an idiot, he just confirmed it.


People who "represent the sport" need to be apologizing. Stuff like that is what's turning fans off.
 
Kenny Wallace has been and will always be a moron. He and DW are bad but at least DW won something in his day.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The State of Kentucky has a $1 billion (with a b) deficit. I doubt they can justify building more roads and expanding interstates (projects that will cost upwards of $100 million) for one race.
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You forget I live here? I know we are broke. But yet we can't blame the track for all of the traffic problems
 
Lap3Forever said:
You forget I live here? I know we are broke. But yet we can't blame the track for all of the traffic problems
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They had ten years to work with politicians to get an infrastructure built to support that track. Instead, they were busy filing lawsuits against NASCAR.

Everyone I talked to in that area knew this would happen because, well, Kentucky has had problems getting 10,000 people out.
 
Lappy had several reasons to enjoy his day and he already expressed them. The fans who did not have pit access, did not have the things that made Lappy's day special to him, they are the ones who, according to some opinions, should smile and grow up!

I wonder if Lappy would have felt the same way if he did not have those perks to look forward to? His excitement for preceding events, the actual race, and the perks of being on the pit box, meeting Richard Petty and Richard Childress, among others quasi-celebrities, are what made his overall experience unforgettable; and made the inconvenience, forgivable. The total package made it bright enough and special enough that Lappy is willing to overlook the inconvenience. Then there are those who just wanted to see a race and couldn't get in..............(sigh).

As for tailgaters taking more than one space per car, that's a no-no in the Bruton Smith organization. Evidently, someone failed to send or the manager of Kentucky did not get the inter-office memo with those dictates.

Traffic and infrastructure are another situation. You would think, knowing there was a sell out crowd, management and the responsible law enforcement agencies would have planned accordingly. After all, this isn't the first inaugural event held in modern day for a NASCAR race. As for the future and possibility of infrastructure and consideration of Kentucky's one billion dollar debt, the state will surely fund infrastructure to improve ingress and egress to the facility. After all, if the State of Kentucky can fund 40 million dollars for a religious theme park at the expense of Kentucky taxpayers, Bruton Smith, et al, should get the same consideration.
 
yeah, glad i went to the ARCA race at Berlin instead of this.Sounds like a nightmare, i didnt see the race but everyone says it was boring anyway. As usual for a cup race at a 1.5 mile track.
 
toledo47 said:
yeah, glad i went to the ARCA race at Berlin instead of this.Sounds like a nightmare, i didnt see the race but everyone says it was boring anyway. As usual for a cup race at a 1.5 mile track.
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Yeah, I can't believe that ADDED ANOTHER 1.5 miler
 
I've been seeing reports that it was just a few thousand people that could not get in. Looking at the stands from pit road they looked pretty full. Did not look like 20,000 people were missing.

Yes i had something to look forward to, i am just putting down what i saw.
 
Lap3Forever said:
I've been seeing reports that it was just a few thousand people that could not get in. Looking at the stands from pit road they looked pretty full. Did not look like 20,000 people were missing.

Yes i had something to look forward to, i am just putting down what i saw.
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Come on..ANDY said 20,000 so it was 20,000;)
 
Bucky Badger said:
Come on..ANDY said 20,000 so it was 20,000;)
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I do not have a pic of the stands per-say this is what i do have. All were taken before the green flag.

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Bucky Badger said:
I posted some here from the tv

http://www.racing-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=38010&page=2
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The pictures you posted show a ton of empty seats.

20,000 is the number Bruton Smith gave.

5,000 is the number Jeff Gluck's reporting. I'll let others come to their own conclusions about Gluck.

Seeing as there were still 12 mile backups each direction when they started turning fans away, I'd say 5,000 is probably on the low-end. Along with the empty seats, that Bucky's picture clearly shows, Kentucky also sold "standing room tickets" (which basically means, they sold more seats than they had).
 
I just don't see how 20,000 did not get in. Maybe most were standing room people? idk what the deal was. It was a cluster that forsure
 
After reading a few of the complaints from Fans who did'nt get in I'm thinking some of the issue may have been the fault of the fans themselves? Several mention leaving for the track from point 60-70 miles away and planing on being in there seats in a couple hours? Thats never worked at any of the Cup races I've attended!
The Daytona 500 this past year was the best I've ever managed, I live 45 miles from the track but have a parking perk. I managed to leave home and arrive in the pits in under 2hrs usually it takes 3.
 
FlFlash said:
After reading a few of the complaints from Fans who did'nt get in I'm thinking some of the issue may have been the fault of the fans themselves? Several mention leaving for the track from point 60-70 miles away and planing on being in there seats in a couple hours? Thats never worked at any of the Cup races I've attended!
The Daytona 500 this past year was the best I've ever managed, I live 45 miles from the track but have a parking perk. I managed to leave home and arrive in the pits in under 2hrs usually it takes 3.
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We left Florence, KY and it is around a 30 mile drive. It took us 30-45 mins travle time th and friday. But it took us 6 hours to make the trip Saturday. So its not the Fans. On the way back to the Hotel it took 2 hours or so.
 
Don't forget, when looking at seats, that Kentucky (like all new tracks) paint the stands different colors. Kansas, Chicago, Kentucky and Charlotte could look like a sell out with 20,000 people in the stands.

5,000 is the lowest number I heard.

Also, Lappy keeps talking about this being an inaugural event. Yes, it's true other tracks have struggled with inaugural events, but those are all tracks that had never hosted races before. Kentucky is an eleven year old track.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Don't forget, when looking at seats, that Kentucky (like all new tracks) paint the stands different colors. Kansas, Chicago, Kentucky and Charlotte could look like a sell out with 20,000 people in the stands.

5,000 is the lowest number I heard.

Also, Lappy keeps talking about this being an inaugural event. Yes, it's true other tracks have struggled with inaugural events, but those are all tracks that had never hosted races before. Kentucky is an eleven year old track.
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The towers are differnt colors. the rest of the stands are blue & Yellow. Unless 12-15,000 were "Standing Room" Tickets, I just dont believe there was 20,000 empty seats. On Tv it may be hard to tell with the colored seats, but in person you can tell the differnce,.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Oh, and hearing Kenny Wallace say that the people who spent hundreds, even thousands of dollars, to go to the race only to be turned away after spending hours in traffic should dust it off and grow up (followed by laughter) is, well, asinine:

Here's how "rough" things were for Kenny:

He arrives at the track via helicopter. He walks in to the track before the gates open. He walks in to SPEED compound where Kentucky Speedway gives them food and beverages (while the fans wait at concessions only to find out KY Speedway is out of $4 waters that they weren't allowed to bring in). He watches the race from an air conditioned suite high atop the racetrack. After the post-race show, he flies out of the track via helicopter. He's on the airplane back to Charlotte in 30 minutes while fans are still waiting in parking lots at 4am.

Darrell Waltrip said last night's race was the greatest event in NASCAR history. Too bad 20,000 paying fans didn't get to see it:rolleyes:

That shows how out of touch the NASCAR people are. NASCAR and the mainstream media outlets (NASCAR.com, SPEED, TNT) refuse to even apologize to the fans. Kentucky Speedway's so busy blaming everyone around them for the mess, they can't apologize.

Some of the people who were there may have enjoyed it, but I'm reading a lot of comments from people who were taking their kids to their first ever NASCAR race that won't ever watch again. Although, I would hope these fans change their mind and go to Richmond or Kansas and see how a race is really run.

Kentucky's been hosting races for ten years... and, as highlighted by toledo47, it doesn't sound like many fans enjoy that track. A few of my facebook buddies in Indiana who have been to Kentucky refused to go because they knew the race would be a disaster.
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Speaking of K.W....He's not lookin to healthy these days....almost like it's terminal...He quit dying his hair...He's driving the nationwide car this season for FREE....and they let him do the "Start your engines" gig this weekend.................:confused:
 

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AndyMarquisLive said:
Don't forget, when looking at seats, that Kentucky (like all new tracks) paint the stands different colors. Kansas, Chicago, Kentucky and Charlotte could look like a sell out with 20,000 people in the stands.

5,000 is the lowest number I heard.

Also, Lappy keeps talking about this being an inaugural event. Yes, it's true other tracks have struggled with inaugural events, but those are all tracks that had never hosted races before. Kentucky is an eleven year old track.
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It's apparent you don't watch WindTunnel on Speed Sun. nights. Dave read a statement from Bruton, he knew the traffic was going to (quote) "suck". He's been fighting with the state ever since the track was built. The states been after him to get this NA$CAR date but won't do a damn thing about access to the track. He apologized to the people that were turned away and will refund the tickets.

Since the state is broke I say Bruton should turn to the German company that builds toll roads. I've seen those guys build a toll road in north Dallas to Frisco, Texas (28 miles) 4 lanes wide each way in like 6 months. The toll roads they build are better than anything the state builds, are better maintained, and they get the job done twice to three times as fast.
 
blue92 said:
It's apparent you don't watch WindTunnel on Speed Sun. nights. Dave read a statement from Bruton, he knew the traffic was going to (quote) "suck". He's been fighting with the state ever since the track was built. The states been after him to get this NA$CAR date but won't do a damn thing about access to the track. He apologized to the people that were turned away and will refund the tickets.
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It's an excuse.

From what others have said, one of the main reasons traffic was backed up was because of parking. I guess Kentucky didn't open the gates until 1pm local time (that's what some in the media said) and that resulted in backups.

Remember, traffic was not any worse leaving the track than any other track -- it just took a while for people to get out of the parking lots. Everyone has said once they got on the interstate, it was smooth sailing.
 
I listened to a caller on Sirius radio, he says he left at noon for a 70 mile trip.

The parking required a one hour walk. He got inside around lap 70. He had been to track before and knew the terrain or lay out. But he didn't even bother with going to his reserved seats.

His party left on lap 170, justified due to the predictable upcoming nightmare of getting out, plus another one hour walk to the car.


Another caller gave up, and just listened outside on the radio.

Most of the radio chatter is owned by Nascar or Smith, and even their Pravda had to acknowledge it was a problem.


There should be unconditional refunds, even Wal Mart or most any retail outlet would refund for a defective product.

I wish Bruton would go broke, as well as Brian France, their both Tony George like cancers.
 
MELROSEMAFIA said:
Speaking of K.W....He's not lookin to healthy these days....almost like it's terminal...He quit dying his hair...He's driving the nationwide car this season for FREE....and they let him do the "Start your engines" gig this weekend.................:confused:
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I noticed that too. Looks like age and hard living are catching up to him. Is, or was, he a big partier at some point?
 
MELROSEMAFIA said:
Speaking of K.W....He's not lookin to healthy these days....almost like it's terminal...He quit dying his hair...He's driving the nationwide car this season for FREE....and they let him do the "Start your engines" gig this weekend.................:confused:
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Yeah I heard he drives for free but how does pay his bills? You would think his brother would give him a shot in one of his cars. He can't crash anymore than the two current drivers do.
 
blue92 said:
Since the state is broke I say Bruton should turn to the German company that builds toll roads. I've seen those guys build a toll road in north Dallas to Frisco, Texas (28 miles) 4 lanes wide each way in like 6 months. The toll roads they build are better than anything the state builds, are better maintained, and they get the job done twice to three times as fast.
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No kidding. What they've done to the tollway is something else. Dad can't wait, because 2 of the hospitals he works at, are via the tollway, and it will save him going via 20 instead of 30.
 
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