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Ok Junior, you said you would drive the 3 at the end of your career. Guess what..... Now is the time. You won't make the chase, much less EVER won a championship. Heck, you may NEVER win another race. Step aside and let someone else drive that's not in it for fame and money. Don't be a Kyle Petty.
 
jep88fan said:
Ok Junior, you said you would drive the 3 at the end of your career. Guess what..... Now is the time. You won't make the chase, much less EVER won a championship. Heck, you may NEVER win another race. Step aside and let someone else drive that's not in it for fame and money. Don't be a Kyle Petty.
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:DLOL, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.:D
 
jep88fan said:
Ok Junior, you said you would drive the 3 at the end of your career. Guess what..... Now is the time. You won't make the chase, much less EVER won a championship. Heck, you may NEVER win another race. Step aside and let someone else drive that's not in it for fame and money. Don't be a Kyle Petty.
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Man thats cold.

But true.
 
I've been thinking about this and I do believe that you are dead wrong.The reason is simple.Jamie Mac. Last year we had written Jamie off.A three or four year stint with a top three team and couldn't buy a top ten finish.Nearly had him losing confidence in himself.What happens? Gets booted down to a lesser team,gets hooked up with a new crew.Man has there been a race this year that he didn't contend?He may not win the championship,but after last year; this has to be a career year.Junior is every bit as good a driver as the top ten guys but everything has to come together.It's happening for Jamie.
 
Not a bad observation, Ted. Another change of scenery might do him some good. He was doing better at DEI, with the exception of engines blowing up, before he left. Going to Hendrick everyone pretty much said that there should be "no excuses now". Thats a lot of pressure to deal with. Maybe the added pressure of going to the #1 team in the league has made it that much more difficult and has gotten in his head. I think he needs to go somewhere were there is not as much pressure on him to be in the top 5 every week. Look at his teammates, they would all be the #1 driver on any other team out there. I feel that the Hendrick experiment has failed miserably with him and he should probably try and go somewhere else. Maybe SHR or RCR wouldn't be a bad idea, hell EGR for that matter. Or maybe he and Harvick should join and start there own team.
 
jep88fan said:
Ok Junior, you said you would drive the 3 at the end of your career. Guess what..... Now is the time. You won't make the chase, much less EVER won a championship. Heck, you may NEVER win another race. Step aside and let someone else drive that's not in it for fame and money. Don't be a Kyle Petty.
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You know what they say about openions???? LOL
 
sloggie said:
I think the Kyle Petty comparison is fitting and accurate. Not everyone can be a superstar driver.
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I can't stand the hype around Jr but comparing him to Kyle Petty is a little harsh.
 
chromehorn said:
I can't stand the hype around Jr but comparing him to Kyle Petty is a little harsh.
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Is it? The only time I recall Jr really doing well was either on a Restrictor Plate track (aka roll the dice and see if Derrik Cope wins this time) or back when DEI had superior equipment.
 
This topic has risen again and I suspect it will from time to time until Jr either begins to win again, or takes the high road. Do we all remember when Theresa said that Jr should decide whether to be s celebrity or a driver. She was slammed for making that comment, but there were and are those who took what she said to heart. Why is it that he says his car is broken and after a pit stop, the crew can't find anything wrong? But more importantly, why is he still out there? I'm not a Jr hater, actually, I am a big fan of his, but I'm also a realist. He's not won a points race since he's been in the absolute best equipment money can buy while his teammates have all won and won many times over while he can't seem to find the handle. Change CCs and that doesn't really d any good. People have varying thoughts of why he hasn't won ranging from no talent to no one to point him in the right direction. I believe he has the talent. No one wins 18 races on luck alone so I think the reason lies somewhere else. And of course I do believe that the loss of his father is the major factor. Dale doesn't have to really do anything for the rest of his life and just living off his name will keep him in money for a long time.

One can make comparisons to Kyle Petty in many different ways and the loss of a family member is probably the closest comparison one can make. Kyle was hot for a while when he was driving for Sabates, but that cooled and once he switched to the family business, he never produced again. Jr. seemed to be the opposite. Driving for his father got him on the map so to say and that is where he got all of his points wins both in the Busch series and Cup too. With the death of his father and him trying to get control of DEI, I believe that when Theresa stood up to him and he lost took a lot out of him. Right now what does he have to prove? He's still the biggest seller of merchandise even without winning a race. If Rick let him go, he could find a ride faster than a frog zapping a bug. He still has that drawing power and it could be better than a four time champ in Jeff Gordon. I hear the #24 is a bit concerned about sponsorship soon. Dupont dropping Jeff Gordon? Can't see it, but if I put up Jeffy and Dale on the auction block for a sponsor, my bet would be that the biggest non-winner for a long time would get the sponsor. Why? Because he is still the most popular. If Jeffy can shed the brides maid image that he is getting this year, and win a race or two or three, his stock will rise quickly again. Just remember, old fans are loyal, very loayal to their favorites, but new fans find winners to latch on to. Compare only new fans of Denny Hamlin, Kyle Busch and even Joey Lagano to the new fans of Jr. You have to continually win over new fans in order to keep your stock high, otherwise you will sink to the bottom in time...some sooner than others.

In short, Dale Jr. needs to win a race and a few top fives and even more top tens to strengthen his popularity. Can he do it? I think the more pertinent question would be does he want to?
 
sloggie said:
Is it? The only time I recall Jr really doing well was either on a Restrictor Plate track (aka roll the dice and see if Derrik Cope wins this time) or back when DEI had superior equipment.
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I understand from that point of view but I meant that Jr has/had more talent than Kyle Petty. But buckaroo makes a great argument by saying "I think the more pertinent question would be does he want to?" That could be it right there. It does seem sometimes that he's racing because everyone else wants him to not because he wants to. Maybe the desire is just gone.
 
chromehorn said:
Maybe the desire is just gone.
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No way is the desire gone.Just listen to the scanner traffic.Like Jeff Gordon,he gets frustrated when his ride won't get him to the front.Junior needs a crew change.Not because they aren't one the best crews out there;but because driver and crew needs to click.And they ain't clickin.I know that you can't keep changing crews,but that chemistry is necessary to win and it isn't there.Look at Tony Stewart with Zippy, Jeff Gordon with Ray, Petty and Inman ,I could go on.Look at the great drivers that never found that one special pairing.It's the same in any sport,sometimes you have to change the coach even if its not his fault.
 
It's his desire to compete that is waning.....either that or his way of thinking.
I notice he drives with alot more fire and urgency, when in danger of going a lap down. If he maintained that urgency from the get-go, there wouldn't be an issue in my opinion.
His bright spots are when drivers in his neck of the woods (points-wise) have bad luck.
He doesn't ever seem to jump up in points because he's "picking em' up and layin' em down."
You can't depend on other drivers misfortune, along with average finishes to propel you to the top consistantly.
He had the mojo, then lost it somewhere along the way.
My feeling is that he does not embrace change, or want to accept it, and the last 6 years in nascar has been constant change, whether it's points structure, car, or crew/ownership.
This coming from an 88 fan. I hate to say it, but I feel it's true.
MoMike
 
There are at least tewnty five of the best drivers in the world out there.They all can't win every week.Doesn't mean they can't win,just that someone else had the better mojo that week.There are well funded teams and poorly funded teams,great crews and good crews.Tire failures ,mechanical failures,and human errors.Junior is among the top drivers in the world he hasn't lost anything except maybe his mojo,whatever that is.Maybe Jimmy ,Jeff,Mark,Jeff Burton,Clint Bowyer,Kasey Kane and the rest have lost theirs too.It will come back around again.Meanwhile Joe Gibbs has it.
 
Everytime they throw the green flag, he goes in 1 direction, and it's usually back 5-8 spots. He makes up the spots on pit road, then gives them back. On the occasion he does finish higher than he started, much of the competition has wrecked out.
It didn't always used to be like that with him, but thats the trend lately.

On a sidenote, I don't believe that there are 25 of the best drivers out there.
I'm certain that there is much deeper talent out there that'll never get to showcase their skills because they were not born with that all important silver spoon in their mouths.
MoMike
 
Nascar needs to send him back to driving school or teach him how to convey whats wrong with the car since he is the face of the sport.


Where did you learn to type, Ted? There are supposed to be 2 spaces between sentences. Just trying to help.
 
I am a Hendrick fan, and I would love to see Jr go, make room for Kasey Kahne and I really want to see Kasey in a #25 Bud car LOL:beerbang:
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I really do believe that he has lost his desire. I think that he has the talent because you can't win 18 races if you don't have some talent but it's like when his car isn't perfect he just gives up and doesn't care where he finishes. It's almost like he's just going through the motions of "yeah I'm here let's get this over with".
 
Stewart Fan said:
I really do believe that he has lost his desire. I think that he has the talent because you can't win 18 races if you don't have some talent but it's like when his car isn't perfect he just gives up and doesn't care where he finishes. It's almost like he's just going through the motions of "yeah I'm here let's get this over with".
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Question..space space Would you say the same about Jeff Burton?
 
He hasn't done that much better,and he hasn't won. He certainly gives the appearance of trying real hard to win, where Junior may not.. I was just wondering about the perception. I could have picked most any name other than Jimmy.
 
ted@economy said:
He hasn't done that much better,and he hasn't won.
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Err, he has. Burton has won 2 races since Jr's move to Hendrick. But..... I do agree with you. There are plenty of drivers that all of the above comments could be made about. This thread is nothing more than speculation or opinion on anyone's part. Bottom line he's not producing for what ever reason. Many drivers aren't yet he'll always be singled out.
 
MoMike said:
Everytime they throw the green flag, he goes in 1 direction, and it's usually back 5-8 spots. He makes up the spots on pit road, then gives them back. On the occasion he does finish higher than he started, much of the competition has wrecked out.
It didn't always used to be like that with him, but thats the trend lately.
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I have to disagree with this. Except for the last couple races, Jr's car has started well, he's come in for changes, then drops. I don't know if it's incorrect adjustments, or that he can't describe what the car is doing properly. It didn't used to be that way. He almost lapped the field one year at Bristol, you don't do that with bad adjustments.
 
I don't care who it is, if a large amount of fans want to see them race every week I don't see what the problem is. As long as they're not just out there causing wrecks, why should they stop?

I really like Kyle Petty, mostly for reasons not directly related to his success on the track. I enjoyed watching him race every week long after he was a legitimate threat to win a race. He did his job, kept it clean and pleased a lot of fans on a weekly basis. What is wrong with that?
 
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