Nascar Announces Rule Changes

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Following the results of Sunday’s UAW 400 in Las Vegas, Nascar announced rule changes that will take effect for next weeks race in Atlanta.

The Roush Racing Ford of Matt Kenseth will now be placed at the rear of the field following each caution period, regardless of Kenseth’s position before the yellow. “This is in line which NASCAR’s commitment to insure a level playing field among our competitors” said Nascar president Mike Helton “I mean, you saw the race today, who wants to watch the 17 lead all day?"

In a related rule change, the DEI Chevrolet of Dale Earnhardt Jr. will now be moved to the front of the field following cautions. “This is a move we have been considering for some time,” said Helton, “thousands of fans pay to see Dale Jr. out front and it is time we gave fans what they pay for."
 
I thought he was trying to get rid of a hangover after Matt winning two in a row. :lol:
 
I can't take credit for it though...I got it from someone off of Matt's msg board! :D
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Mar 8 2004, 04:21 PM
I am afraid you did slip off with the funds for the GBFC though.....NONE of the members have been paid.
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:sne: ...innocent, until proven guilty! :D
 
:lol:

I like Junior, but gotta admit thats still very funny. :lol:

Matt would probably come up from the back anyways, that 17 just motored away from everyone at LVMS.
 
I guess Matt did not like you guys saying he only won 1 race last season so he won 2 to get it out of the way. Way to go!
 
Originally posted by Bucky Badger@Mar 8 2004, 05:06 PM
I guess Matt did not like you guys saying he only won 1 race last season so he won 2 to get it out of the way. Way to go!
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I keep hearing this "only one race won and he got the title" over and over again. I don't think that had anything to do with the points system being changed at all. Matt's not the only Champion to win with only one race won during the season. The old points system (and to a large degree, this new system too) placed consistency throughout the entire season as a priority to win the title.......and, as far as I'm concerned, I think that is probably it's strongest point. Lots of wins and big points don't mean you are the best..........well if you win them all, then I guess it would. :) Look at Ryan Newman last year. He won the most but he DNF'd a lot too. And he didn't place well when he did finish.......that's discounting his 8 wins. There are 36 races for Championship points..........a true Champion does well (that does necessarily mean win) more times than anyone else over all those races. Matt Kenseth did just that last year.............this non-Kenseth fan cannot deny that and I won't even attempt it. He won simply because he was the best last season.......the best for the whole season (unlike the man who happened to win more races than he).

I think the system was changed for other reasons. Reasons dealing with the last part of the season when someone has a huge lead. It makes for some rather boring races because the leader doesn't have to race hard.........he just needs a certain finishing position and he's safe. It's called points racing...........I hate to see it. And I don't think I'm alone. I can see why teams and drivers do it......afterall there's a pretty big chunk of change to be handed out in December. The new system has some flaws that I can see that are going to really stir the pot with some fans. But, it does, at least, address the problem that I've been enduring for a long time. This game of NASCAR Cup racing is entertainment for me (and most fans)..........why should we have to endure rooting for 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th place with five races to go before it's over? That has happened way too many times with the old system. Maybe, just maybe, this new system will make for more exiting final races. Yeah, I can see where I might be very disappointed if Jr was 1st or 2nd going into the Race For the Championship (or whatever they call it now) and has a couple of races like he had yesterday. But what if Jr was 399 pts back and he came up and stole the title? :D It works both ways. :cheers: I get to see exciting races at the end.........no matter who wins!!

Sorry for my rant...........I take exception to hearing this garbage about fans whining because someone only won one race and took the title. It doesn't matter. It's entertainment..........its fun. And whining ruins it. :)
 
10 years ago it was "Gordon rules" Now we gotta have "Kenseth rules". I gotta say... I like the Kenseth rules better.
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Valid points, DE, but the question remains. Why penalize a driver and team for being that much better than the competition? If you walk the walk all year only to have it taken away at the end how is that right?

I have my own ideas why this was done, but I'll sit on them for now.
 
I agree Wrangler and think you were well reasoned in your post with one exception: Is our need for entertainment greater than the accomplishments of the driver who has distanced himself through hard work and honest effort all year? For my opinion, I would say no. Excitement may be fine for US---but those guys who worked like dogs to build a big lead all season may feel differently.

Just another view.
 
EMP and 97. You both say pretty much the same thing. :D And my answer is a little different than yours. I say yes, the fan is the one NASCAR needs to satisfy first (not meaning they should discount the drivers and teams). The reason is very simple. It's entertainment. The drivers and teams are the entertainers. There's rules they must abide by but the biggest rule they must always keep up front is that the fans want them to entertain. There's big bucks in entertainment (NASCAR) and their rewards are only guaranteed to continue if they continue to entertain. They know that up front. They agree to live by the rules set up by the sanctioning body.........they stand to win big or go busted trying. That's one of the big reasons I love this sport so............the fans are primary. Not the teams.
 
I'm with emp and 97 on this one. Whats to keep them from points racing in the first 26 races now? A driver knows that all he has to do is remain in the top 10 for the first 26 races and then it will all be taken care of for him. I just can't see penalizing a driver for building a big lead after 26 races.
 
Nothing will keep them from points racing for the first 26 races..........as a matter a fact I think we will it a lot. But, there won't be any points racing for the final 10 races!! :D Too much at stake.............and they will very likely kill any chance of winning the title! But, I think you will only see that points racing in the top 4 or 5 places. The others have some hungry dogs chasing right at their heels!! :D

BTW, I didn't like this idea at first. But, after thinking a bit I think it's going to be fine. I'm sure there will be tweaks in the years ahead but overall it's a pretty sound system.
 
DE you make to darn much sense. I liked not liking this new system but damn if you don't make me think. :D
 
Educate me. Other than the immediate money prize, what is the incentive for the other 33 drivers in the last 10 races.

Wouldnt it be funny if the driver in, say, 11th place and out of contention for the title, won all remaining 10 races.
 
If it aint broke don't fix it. The old points system was based on consistency and the best driver won the points championship. But now the best driver may not win, but may be the best driver in the last ten races. The champion should not be decided in the last ten races, just my opinion. But we will all have to wait to see how this new system plays out.

:cheers: Jack Roush
 
The way I understand the system: There will be at least 10 drivers in the race for the championship during the last 10 races. But there is also a cutoff at 400 pts. Which means to me that any driver 400 or less pts behind the leader will be in the running...........it's possible that there could be 35 or 40 drivers running for the title!! :) But that ain't likely.........however it's entirely likely that there will be 15 or so!! :D

And lets face it........if after 26 races a driver more than 400 points back is just not going to win 10 in a row! He's not even likely to win one! But anything's possible. :cheers:
 
Originally posted by fordroush@Mar 8 2004, 09:05 PM
If it aint broke don't fix it.
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I'm not going to say it was broke..........it was a good system (better by far than any other racing league's system). But it had this nasty quirk of making the final races a run for who's going to get in the top ten or who was going to maybe nip at 2nd place! Most years it the title was sewed up by race 26 or 28...........sure there was a mathematical possiblity of someone catching the leader but that was just a prayer on the fans part to have a real nail biter for the last few races. It wasn't broke, but that was a weakness.
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Mar 9 2004, 02:42 AM
I agree Wrangler and think you were well reasoned in your post with one exception: Is our need for entertainment greater than the accomplishments of the driver who has distanced himself through hard work and honest effort all year? For my opinion, I would say no. Excitement may be fine for US---but those guys who worked like dogs to build a big lead all season may feel differently.

Just another view.
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You can tell the people who look at racing as a sport more than entertainment. Read the opinions expressed by DEW2 and 97Forever.

A recent news article opined Bill France,Sr. made NASCAR a sport, Bill France,Jr made it a business and Brian France is making it entertainment. Having followed NASCAR 1958, in my opinion, the analogy is correct.

The average newer NASCAR fan wants instant gratification and this is what Brian France is providing. Entertainment. Created to please the fans through modification of the sport.

There was nothing wrong with the old point system and only time will tell how successful the new one will be. It is intended and geared to provide entertainment only. Otherwise there was no reason for the change. Despite the urgings of some fans, the system was not changed because Kenseth won one race and the championship. It has been known for years a driver could win the championship without winning a single race and this worked and was satisfactory. Fans want winners and to get thier way, the fans became whiners.

The best thing that can be said about all of this discussion is, if you want entertainment in motor vehicle competition, watch NASCAR.

If you want good old fashioned hard core racing, go to your short local track.
 
Originally posted by Whizzer+Mar 9 2004, 08:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Whizzer @ Mar 9 2004, 08:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--97forever@Mar 9 2004, 02:42 AM
I agree Wrangler and think you were well reasoned in your post with one exception: Is our need for entertainment greater than the accomplishments of the driver who has distanced himself through hard work and honest effort all year? For my opinion, I would say no. Excitement may be fine for US---but those guys who worked like dogs to build a big lead all season may feel differently.

Just another view.
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You can tell the people who look at racing as a sport more than entertainment. Read the opinions expressed by DEW2 and 97Forever.

A recent news article opined Bill France,Sr. made NASCAR a sport, Bill France,Jr made it a business and Brian France is making it entertainment. Having followed NASCAR 1958, in my opinion, the analogy is correct.

The average newer NASCAR fan wants instant gratification and this is what Brian France is providing. Entertainment. Created to please the fans through modification of the sport.

There was nothing wrong with the old point system and only time will tell how successful the new one will be. It is intended and geared to provide entertainment only. Otherwise there was no reason for the change. Despite the urgings of some fans, the system was not changed because Kenseth won one race and the championship. It has been known for years a driver could win the championship without winning a single race and this worked and was satisfactory. Fans want winners and to get thier way, the fans became whiners.

The best thing that can be said about all of this discussion is, if you want entertainment in motor vehicle competition, watch NASCAR.

If you want good old fashioned hard core racing, go to your short local track. [/b][/quote]
Well stated. right on the button. :cheers:
 
If Vagas had been the 26th race. You would have to go all the way down to Larry Foyt in 40th place to have 400 points behind the leader Matt Kenseth. :lol:
 
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