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Vote on it it is about if you could give anyone a win in 2003 that was winless this year a win for chriustmas who would it be Kyle is leading wooohoooo lol
 
It would be nice to see a couple of those drivers get a win this year. Ken Schrader unfortunately took himself off that list with the Bamma-lamma-ding-dong Dodge.
 
Jimmy Spencer, so Ganassi (emphasis on the second syllable) can choke on it.
 
So everyone dislikes Chip now because he tossed a perennial loser to the curb?

Spenser is known world-wide as a non-producer.
 
That's not it at all, Paul.

I didn't like him before he canned Spencer.
 
I kinda liked him at first but I just hate how he doesn't give his other drivers (not Marlin of course) a better chance. He obviously puts all his time and money in the 40 team and just lets the 41 (or 01) just go out and race for 40th. Lets see, 2 drivers in 2 years and now comes McMurray and Mears. I'd say they will be out of a ride by seasons end because Ganassi expects too much too soon.
 
WTF are you talking about? In case you didn't notice the 41 car had an idiot behind the wheel, that was racing for 40th long before he started driving for Chip.

I seriously can't believe you blame the 41 car's disappointment on Chip. Why can Spencer run so well in the Yellow car, but not in Chip's ride?

I think the animnosity comes from the fact that Chip came from "onna dem series' that races pointy cars that make dem funny noises.

NASCAR is the only sport I know of where the fans accept teams that don't win for decades.
 
And teams could (and do) fare worse than that perrennial loser, Jimmy Spencer. I'd take him over a lot of guys. I'll refrain from naming Harvick names because I don't Robby Gordon want to start any Nemecheck fights, but there are Michael Waltrip plenty of drivers on top Kenny Wallace teams that are much Andretti worse drivers than Spencer in my Steve Freakin Park opinion.
 
There are probably 20 drivers that no longer have a place in the sport IMO. But because NASCAR needs to have 40+ billboards out there every week we'll see guys like Terry Labonte, Spencer, Park, Waltrip, Wallace, Andretti that do nothing and have nothing expected of them.

They go out there and run laps, nothing more.

Spencer got a shot in a top ride and he did nothing, NOTHING. Is Chip supposed to just give him another year? Two? Three? Is Chip supposed to just let someone go out there and drive in circles? Would you?

Chip has built teams from nothing before, look at Dixon in CART. Chip runs a different kind of organization then most NASCAR fans are used to. He isn't part of the "Good old boy network" and never will be.

He's there to win races, stroke in his car and your gone. And, IMO, that's the way the sport should be. Get rid of these guys that are doing nothing. Kenny Schrader hasn't won in 12 years. Why is he still racing? Because he's nice? Please.

This is a sport, for big money...not a personality contest...oh wait...for 80% of the people in the stands it is nothing more than a personality contest, so I might as well be talking to a tree stump. (Not you TWF)
 
Well, I hate to break it to you, but Sterling Marlin ain't exactly set the woods on fire before last season either. And I for one fully expect a finish out of the top 10 in points for him in 2003.

As to competitiveness, I'll put NASCAR up against CART, F1, or any other series for the number of top, competitive teams competing at any given time.

I see your point about rolling billboards and personality contests. But as I stated in another thread, all the Earnhardt fans want to dismiss his aggressive style by saying, "The sport needs characters." Well, friends and neighbors, Jimmy Spencer is most assuredly a character. Yet these same people dislike Spencer...I never understood why.

Spencer is not my favorite driver. But he's far preferrable to most out there IMO. Ganassi (emphasis on the second syllable) may hire and fire as he pleases - it's his money. But I'd rather have Mr. Excitement behind my wheel than a lot of the Mr. Milquetoasts we have now.
 
Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan
Well, I hate to break it to you, but Sterling Marlin ain't exactly set the woods on fire before last season either.  And I for one fully expect a finish out of the top 10 in points for him in 2003.  
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And if he had the year Spencer had he would be out the door too. And if he performs as you're predicting then he will find himself looking for work too.

Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan

As to competitiveness, I'll put NASCAR up against CART, F1, or any other series for the number of top, competitive teams competing at any given time.  
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You've stated many, many times that you have never watched any other series except for NASCAR, so I'd be curious as to whether or not you really want to make that particular statement.

The real point that I'm trying to make is that I find it horribly obtuse that people can say "He must have it in for him, it must be some kind of personal war against Spencer" instead of "Spencer sucked and didn't produce, he should be out of a car".

What is it that you dislike about Ganassi? That he races pointy cars?
 
Originally posted by paul

What is it that you dislike about Ganassi?  That he races pointy cars?
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Among other things.

No, I don't watch F1 or CART or anything, but I do watch SportsCenter and read SI. So I'll toss the ball back into your court. How many different drivers won on the Winston Cup series this past season? (Marlin and McMurray count as one, btw) That's out of 36 races. Now, how many different drivers won in these other series? Out of how many races in a season? Simple arithmetic. I honestly don't know the ratios so I may be setting myself up for a fall. But I doubt it.

Plus, I don't think anyone could call Jeff Burton a slacker, even though he failed to win a race last season.

I am fully aware of the differences between a Jeff Burton, a Jimmy Spencer, and a Kenny Wallace. I am not arguing that Spencer is an upper echelon driver. I'd bet he wouldn't either. All I'm saying is he's a better driver than half the guys out there.

Maybe this will clear it up a little. On the whole I'd employ Jimmy Spencer, who was winless last season, over Johnny Benson, who won last season.
 
Heh...When you have 40+ drivers every race of course you're going to get more "winners". It's a nice illusion created by NASCAR. Drivers in F1 and CART are lucky to complete a full season if they don't produce. No good old boy network there for them to just go out there and damage equipment every week.

You say, "Among other things". So you're saying that an actual reason included in your dislike for him is that he races in CART?

You're kidding right? :lol2: Let's hear the other things, I'm very curious.
 
Originally posted by paul
Heh...When you have 40+ drivers every race of course you're going to get more "winners".  It's a nice illusion created by NASCAR.
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How many cars start CART or F1 races?
 
What I dont understand.. Park, Waltrip, Harvick.. they had a bad year... but already, you all have marked them as non-producers. WTF? 1 year guys!!!!!!!!!! Before Park got hurt, he was kickin ass... Harvick can get the job done, so can Waltrip... give it time guys.. Good Lord.

And as far as Spencer goes... he can be alright givin a good car. That 41 aint as stacked up as the 40 car is..
 
hold up there TWF I was a hard core Big E fan and i don't have a problem with Jimmy, to the contrary i like him Hell he is one of the few out there that has the ballls to say whats on his mind at any given time and he damn sure don't mind puttin you in the wall if you mess with him. Jimmy is the last of a dying breed and i will miss him when he is gone.
 
Originally posted by bud_stud
What I dont understand.. Park, Waltrip, Harvick.. they had a bad year... but already, you all have marked them as non-producers.  WTF?   1 year guys!!!!!!!!!!  Before Park got hurt, he was kickin ass... Harvick can get the job done, so can Waltrip... give it time guys.. Good Lord.

And as far as Spencer goes... he can be alright givin a good car.   That 41 aint as stacked up as the 40 car is..
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Waltrip's had plenty of time.
 
Plenty of time... yes, but has he had a good car within all them years? NO! The DEI car is a good one, thats why he's won 2 races with it.
 
Originally posted by paul
Heh...When you have 40+ drivers every race of course you're going to get more "winners".  It's a nice illusion created by NASCAR.  Drivers in F1 and CART are lucky to complete a full season if they don't produce.  No good old boy network there for them to just go out there and damage equipment every week.
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So if CART put 75 cars out a week, and had 6 different winners all season, that would make them the bad guys who run a series full of smoke and mirrors?

I think if NASCAR went to 30....even 20 starters a week, we'd see about the same number of different winners we see now. Maybe if CART had 40+ teams a week, their racing would improve.

If CART drivers are being fired for non-production during the season, and the same 8 drivers still keep winning, I fail to see how that makes your point.
 
Ever since Greg Moore was killed, I stopped watching CART.
Now.. looks like its a follow the leader series now.
 
Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan

I think if NASCAR went to 30....even 20 starters a week, we'd see about the same number of different winners we see now.  Maybe if CART had 40+ teams a week, their racing would improve.  
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I think it's great racing...but I watch the series so what do I know.

Anyway...I'm done...At any moment I'm sure someone is going to prove me wrong with a "EARNHARDT JR IS THE BEST DRIVER AND THE COOLEST EVER" comment...and to that I'll have no counter...so it's best I bow out now.
 
No...in a very weird twisted way it was directed towards NASCAR fans in general...non-earnhardt fans included.
 
Bucs...but barely...then they'll make their way to the Trophy.

Steelers have owned them in the past.
 
Back to the original point... I would like to see each and every one win a race in 2003, but I voted for Kyle.
 
Cant believe the Bengals beat the Saints... that was a shocker..
 
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