Nascar Creating Chaos on the Track

Ok lets get rid of restrictor plates and have 27 second F1 type leads at Daytona,that would solve everything
 
We could have done without the debris caution with about 15 to go...... but I think restrictor plate races are some of the most exciting of the season and always look forward to them
 
Boo hoo, let's get rid of the plates...it's dangerous. Jeez, the same old BS over and over. I guess the people who say this are worried that a driver will get killed. It happens year in and year out in racing but it happens much more at tracks that don't have plates, i.e. local tracks. If I remember right, after Carl Edwards flew his car into the fence, most people thought that he surely was injured, but wait, he not only got out of his car on his own, but sprinted across the finish line thinking that would count. Kyle Busch also climbed out of his car but since he had already crossed the finish line, all he wanted to do was, well we really don't know what he wanted to do, but had to be manhandled to go to the care center. If y'all want to see safe racing, to the the nearest swimming pool and watch the kids race there. If you are one of those diehard "real race fans", and detest plate races, there is a couple of things you can do. First you can complain, complain, and complain to NASCAR in Daytona. Or you can refuse to watch when the boys race at Daytona and Taladega. Maybe there are a few, maybe even more who enjoy watching follow the leader racing. They can't stand edge of the seat excitement or they only want certain drivers to win. Who knows, but for me and for many, I know that racing is one of the most dangerous sports in the world. And I find it absolutely amazing that they have made the sport so safe that both Carl and Kyle not only survived their crashes, but were hardly harmed at all.
 
By Dustin Long
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I believe this is the same guy that said Stewart would never win another race after leaving Gibbs racing.
 
wilson89 said:
Try looking up the 1984 Talladega 500. Very great race still a nice pack of cars but no restrictor plates (No 20 second leads here :D)
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Yeah they didn't have the C.O.T in 1984 either,I'm not saying they didn't have close races without the plate
 
Cry babies ***** about blocking and then when a person steps up and advocates penalties for it they say that racing is supposed to be dangerous. Make up your freaking mind. I for one think it is a great suggestion that Long has made:

"One thing NASCAR can do now is play a greater role in officiating the races. NASCAR should state that a driver can make one move to block a competitor but if he makes two or more successive attempts to block, he'll be penalized.

With a wall on the outside and rule prohibiting passing below the yellow line at the bottom of the track, NASCAR has narrowed the field and encouraged blocking and rougher tactics at Daytona and Talladega.

While NASCAR officials don't like their calls impacting a race, isn't that better than having drivers -- or fans -- injured? Or worse?"
 
JimmieGordon2448 said:
Yeah they didn't have the C.O.T in 1984 either,I'm not saying they didn't have close races without the plate
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There were boring races before the COT as well. Just look up every race ever run at Auto Club Speedway of Southern California or Texas Motor Speedway. :rolleyes:
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
There were boring races before the COT as well. Just look up every race ever run at Auto Club Speedway of Southern California or Texas Motor Speedway. :rolleyes:
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Do you even like NASCAR racing, or just stirring up s*$t on forum boards. All you do is complain about the racing, the drivers, etc in NASCAR. Maybe you should stick to ARCA and ignore the big leauge stuff.:confused:
 
"One thing NASCAR can do now is play a greater role in officiating the races. NASCAR should state that a driver can make one move to block a competitor but if he makes two or more successive attempts to block, he'll be penalized.
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Let the drivers police the blocking! Kinda like what happened last Saturday... NASCAR would just make judgement calls so whoever the flavor of the week driver was could win the race.

Right?:sarcasm:
 
"One thing NASCAR can do now is play a greater role in officiating the races. NASCAR should state that a driver can make one move to block a competitor but if he makes two or more successive attempts to block, he'll be penalized.
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Kind of like the yellow-line rule that's gone unenforced in two instances (both times, ironically, with the same driver) that were clearly captured on camera ever since NASCAR robbed Regan Smith.
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
Kind of like the yellow-line rule that's gone unenforced in two instances (both times, ironically, with the same driver) that were clearly captured on camera ever since NASCAR robbed Regan Smith.
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I take offense with this statement. The yellow-line rule was enforced and it was quite clear that Regan violated it. I will send you a video clip if you want.

P.S. He should have held his line. :D
 
bsquared31 said:
Do you even like NASCAR racing, or just stirring up s*$t on forum boards. All you do is complain about the racing, the drivers, etc in NASCAR. Maybe you should stick to ARCA and ignore the big leauge stuff.:confused:
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He doesn't complain about his man bride Kyle.
 
Smoke14 said:
I take offense with this statement. The yellow-line rule was enforced and it was quite clear that Regan violated it. I will send you a video clip if you want.

P.S. He should have held his line. :D
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My point is about the selective enforcement of these rules.

NASCAR didn't mind taking Regan's win away but they can't penalize Hamlin for doing the same thing (twice).
 
mike honcho said:
He doesn't complain about his man bride Kyle.
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You're ignored.
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What a beautiful sight. :)
 

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WOW! I really, really hope JR wins this weekend....:beerbang:
 
Same ole story, different verse.

I for one like the bumper to bumper racing for 500 miles. I have thoroughly enjoyed the finishes at Daytona the last couple of years. Very exciting and amazing. Are the plates the problem or is it just plain human error. Yes, you can say, well them there darn plates make everyone bunch up. Then they touch and take off into the Grandstands. Who is to blame? When they didn't have plates, cars careened off into the fences. Remember Cale at Daytona? Or Ricky Rudds wild Daytona ride. Pre plates! So how do we fix this. The restrictor plate king ole "Ironhead" says it it safer to run faster by yourself than slower and bunched up. I do believe NA_CAR should have listen then. Racing is very dangerous as we have seen in the past. The odds of survival is not good, but with safer improvements NA_CAR has increased the odds. When it comes to drivers, I believe it is part of the territory. But when the drivers and their cars leave the track and punch holes in the fences, that's when NA_CAR needs to address the situation.
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
Hey, I'd like that to. He needs his one win of the year. :)
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Actually he is not due a win again till 2010 is he?

Bottom line of all this is, people will complain no matter what Nascar does. Now granted, I think Nascar should be consistent in their rule enforcement. But, hey, what the heck do I know?
 
muggle not said:
"One thing NASCAR can do now is play a greater role in officiating the races. NASCAR should state that a driver can make one move to block a competitor but if he makes two or more successive attempts to block, he'll be penalized.
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This was a terrible idea for the NBA and the NFL, and it wouldn't work any better in NASCAR. The NBA and NFL are over officiated. There's a penalty for everything, it slows down the pace of the game, and it creates artificial winners. How many times has the Super Bowl or the NBA Finals been decided by penalties? NASCAR should just let the drivers race. Granted, there should be some rules for safety, but I think they already have those bases covered.

I also fail to see how NASCAR could have prevented a crash like this through rules and penalties. They were coming to the checkered flag, and it happened in the span of a couple seconds.

I don't like the fact that NASCAR uses the plates to make the races safer, when it's actually doing the opposite. By bunching the cars up it guarentees there will be at least one major crash.

By not using the plates, the field would be more spread out, but you'd end up with several packs of cars running together instead of one big pack. No car can survive alone at Daytona or Talladega, and any car that tries to do so will quickly be passed by cars that team up and run in packs.

Yeah, the plates make for exciting finishes, but it's a crap-shoot. Anyone running near the front with 2 laps left has a chance to steal a win. This means that someone could race hard all day, lead the most laps, and still be passed coming to the finish just because someone who wasn't running as well got drafting help at the last second.

The middle part of the race is always boring. All the drivers are doing is staying in line until the finish while the laps tick away. Take the plates away, and let the drivers race how they used to.
 
foehammer111 said:
This was a terrible idea for the NBA and the NFL, and it wouldn't work any better in NASCAR. The NBA and NFL are over officiated. There's a penalty for everything, it slows down the pace of the game, and it creates artificial winners. How many times has the Super Bowl or the NBA Finals been decided by penalties? NASCAR should just let the drivers race. Granted, there should be some rules for safety, but I think they already have those bases covered.
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Agreed. The Seattle Seachickens would've won the Super Bowl in 2006 if it wasn't for crappy officiating.
 
foehammer111 said:
This was a terrible idea for the NBA and the NFL, and it wouldn't work any better in NASCAR. The NBA and NFL are over officiated. There's a penalty for everything, it slows down the pace of the game, and it creates artificial winners. How many times has the Super Bowl or the NBA Finals been decided by penalties? NASCAR should just let the drivers race. Granted, there should be some rules for safety, but I think they already have those bases covered.

I also fail to see how NASCAR could have prevented a crash like this through rules and penalties. They were coming to the checkered flag, and it happened in the span of a couple seconds.

I don't like the fact that NASCAR uses the plates to make the races safer, when it's actually doing the opposite. By bunching the cars up it guarentees there will be at least one major crash.

By not using the plates, the field would be more spread out, but you'd end up with several packs of cars running together instead of one big pack. No car can survive alone at Daytona or Talladega, and any car that tries to do so will quickly be passed by cars that team up and run in packs.

Yeah, the plates make for exciting finishes, but it's a crap-shoot. Anyone running near the front with 2 laps left has a chance to steal a win. This means that someone could race hard all day, lead the most laps, and still be passed coming to the finish just because someone who wasn't running as well got drafting help at the last second.

The middle part of the race is always boring. All the drivers are doing is staying in line until the finish while the laps tick away. Take the plates away, and let the drivers race how they used to.
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Let me make my position clear. Chop blocking has no place in Nascar Racing. Chop blocking is only exciting for those that watch to see the big wrecks. Yes, racing is dangerous but you don't intentionally make it more dangerous than it needs to be.

NBA, NFL...this is Nascar and there is no comparison nor should there be.
 
Muggle, you are totally right on that. Personally, I don't like blocking at Daytona or Taladega, but my guess is that will never stop.
 
foehammer111 said:
This was a terrible idea for the NBA and the NFL, and it wouldn't work any better in NASCAR. The NBA and NFL are over officiated. There's a penalty for everything, it slows down the pace of the game, and it creates artificial winners. How many times has the Super Bowl or the NBA Finals been decided by penalties? NASCAR should just let the drivers race. Granted, there should be some rules for safety, but I think they already have those bases covered.

I also fail to see how NASCAR could have prevented a crash like this through rules and penalties. They were coming to the checkered flag, and it happened in the span of a couple seconds.

I don't like the fact that NASCAR uses the plates to make the races safer, when it's actually doing the opposite. By bunching the cars up it guarentees there will be at least one major crash.

By not using the plates, the field would be more spread out, but you'd end up with several packs of cars running together instead of one big pack. No car can survive alone at Daytona or Talladega, and any car that tries to do so will quickly be passed by cars that team up and run in packs.

Yeah, the plates make for exciting finishes, but it's a crap-shoot. Anyone running near the front with 2 laps left has a chance to steal a win. This means that someone could race hard all day, lead the most laps, and still be passed coming to the finish just because someone who wasn't running as well got drafting help at the last second.

The middle part of the race is always boring. All the drivers are doing is staying in line until the finish while the laps tick away. Take the plates away, and let the drivers race how they used to.
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Elliot survived pretty much alone when he came from behind 2 laps to win in '86.
 
Drivers may have their IQ decreased when the helmet goes on but they will eventually realize too much blocking will result in a quick trip to the wall and stop. If they don't they, deserve the trip and :p
(I only say that because this car has shown the trip doesn't result in the injury or worse that we use to have.)
 
Newracefan said:
Drivers may have their IQ decreased when the helmet goes on but they will eventually realize too much blocking will result in a quick trip to the wall and stop. If they don't they, deserve the trip and :p
(I only say that because this car has shown the trip doesn't result in the injury or worse that we use to have.)
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Unfortunately the drivers may have a false sense of security. As DW said recently, he has an eerie feeling that if it continues something bad is going to happen.
 
muggle not said:
Unfortunately the drivers may have a false sense of security. As DW said recently, he has an eerie feeling that if it continues something bad is going to happen.
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Good point, hopefully one we will never see but that could be wishful thinking :(
 
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