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By not suspending Kurt Busch. In essence, they are stating that damn near attempted murder is not a punishable offense by suspension.

Horrible.
 
ATTEMPTED MURDER?

I agree that Busch should have been suspended, but it wasn't even close to attempted murder. Don't take things and make them what they aren't meant to be. What people need to remember is NASCAR also parked Busch after that incident. Busch said his intentions were NOT to harm the crew member, he wanted to confront Stewart. People need to take that into consideration before making claims.
 
JG24 said:
ATTEMPTED MURDER?

I agree that Busch should have been suspended, but it wasn't even close to attempted murder. Don't take things and make them what they aren't meant to be. Like I said in the other thread, NASCAR used to fine them $50,000, and that's it. Not only did they fine him $100,000 bucks, they also fined him 100 championship points, and they fined Roger Penske 100 owner points. Compare this penalty to the past penalties, and it is much more serious. But I agree, Busch should have been suspended for 1 or 2 races.
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much more serious, you gota be kiddin, OK lets look,
JR 100,000 and 100 points cc suspended 6 races, spoiler brackets
Riggs, 100,000 and 100 points cc suspended 4 races unapproved bolts that hold the spoiler on,
waltrip 100,000 and 100 points cc suspended indefinitely, fuel

how the hell can you say bush's fine was more serious ? unless you were talking about the 48's fine for the jack bolt that raised the rear window last year. o point and o fine cc suspended 4 races

let me tell you a little about pit road dangers, ever heard of Mike Rich ? rear tire changer for the 9 car back in 1990, he is dead !!! because of an accident on pit road, i was there standin not 10 feet away when it happened.

what bush did was intentional!! granted no one was hurt but then that's not the point, the reckless disregard is the point
 
de7xwcc said:
much more serious, you gota be kiddin, OK lets look,
JR 100,000 and 100 points cc suspended 6 races, spoiler brackets
Riggs, 100,000 and 100 points cc suspended 4 races unapproved bolts that hold the spoiler on,
waltrip 100,000 and 100 points cc suspended indefinitely, fuel

how the hell can you say bush's fine was more serious ? unless you were talking about the 48's fine for the jack bolt that raised the rear window last year. o point and o fine cc suspended 4 races

let me tell you a little about pit road dangers, ever heard of Mike Rich ? rear tire changer for the 9 car back in 1990, he is dead !!! because of an accident on pit road, i was there standin not 10 feet away when it happened.

what bush did was intentional!!
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I'm not talking about penalties such as Waltrip and Riggs, Im talking about penalties that endanger people. Busch wanted to confront Stewart, not hurt a crew member. I agree that Busch should have waited after the race to confront Stewart, and he should have been suspended for 1 or 2 races. But we need to look at the situation before making ridiculous claims.
 
RobbyG Fan said:
By not suspending Kurt Busch. In essence, they are stating that damn near attempted murder is not a punishable offense by suspension.

Horrible.
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Attempted murder...that is a pretty steep accusation there! Ridiculous is what i'd call it, he wasn't trying to murder anyone, just trying to get Tonys' attention and in the process make an ass out of himself as usual. Don't resort to the over dramatic , especially when it isn't warranted.;)
 
Mopardh9 said:
Attempted murder...that is a pretty steep accusation there! Ridiculous is what i'd call it, he wasn't trying to murder anyone, just trying to get Tonys' attention and in the process make an ass out of himself as usual. Don't resort to the over dramatic , especially when it isn't warranted.;)
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Exactly my thoughts. Here is the interview where Busch clearly states his intentions were not to harm the crew member.

LONG POND, Pa. -- Of all the people surprised that Kurt Busch wasn't suspended for his actions Monday at Dover, the driver of the No. 2 Dodge may top that list.

"Yeah, I did think I was probably going to get parked," Busch said Friday before Nextel Cup practice at Pocono Raceway. "But it's a blessing that NASCAR realized that nothing too serious did happen so we can move forward with this and get back to the normal roots of racing for us, which is to go and gain points on Sunday."

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Busch hinted that perhaps the reason why NASCAR didn't lower the boom was because when Busch suddenly pulled up next to Tony Stewart's car on pit road, forcing crewmember Jason Lee to leap out of the way, there was no contact (watch video).

"There was almost hitting a guy on pit road versus actual and that's still what needs to be separated here," Busch said. "And we can't say that I hit the guy because I had my car under control when I stopped next to Tony's car on pit road."

Busch expressed regrets about his decision to express his emotions at that point in time.

"I reached out for Jason Lee, the crewmember on Joe Gibbs' team, and left him a message, to clear some of the air on things and let him know that was not my intention at all, to put him in danger," Busch said. "What the beef is was between me and Tony and from out on the track."

Busch said letting his emotions get the best of him is the thing that he regrets most.

"If I had just kept it out on the racetrack, everything would have still been pretty cool with everything in general," Busch said. "The incident between Tony and I still needs to be discussed. The guy thought that I didn't race him with enough room. I felt like he didn't race me with enough room. And it hurt us both in points -- and that's the tough part."

Busch said he's been in contact with J.D. Gibbs in an effort to clear the air with Stewart.

"He's going to try to put us together," Busch said. "Tony's got a lot of things going on. The guy's a two-time champion, I respect him. Everybody in the garage area respects his driving ability and what he can do with a racecar.

"He just seems to absorb a lot with all the things he does outside the racetrack. It's almost like he's our NASCAR version of Rosie O'Donnell right now. We'll see what happens."

Busch admitted he was surprised by the severity of the penalty, but NASCAR made it clear that safety is of paramount concern.

"It's a bit surprising, yet safety on pit road can't be compromised," Busch said. "I understand that. To me, it's a matter of making sure everybody stays as safe as possible on pit road.

"Dover is one of the tightest spots that we go to for pit-road action. We'll do what we can to put this behind us and move forward, to gain our 100 points back and worry about what we have to do to get ... into the Chase."
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I agree that Busch should have waited after the race to confront Stewart, but the main point is his intentions were NOT to harm the crew member. So it's time to stop making these ridiculous claims.
 
Why do I find it funny that a Robby Gordon fan is offended by Kurt Busch trying to run over someone? Doesn't Robby do that on the track nearly every race....
 
JG24, your missing the point totally, the other fines that have been leveled this year have been as severe or worse for things that did not compromise safety. i am sure (or i hope i am) that bush didn't want to hurt the crew guy, but that is not the point. The point is his fine was no worse than anyone else's this year and his actions (in my eyes) were
 
de7xwcc said:
JG24, your missing the point totally, the other fines that have been leveled this year have been as severe or worse for things that did not compromise safety. i am sure (or i hope i am) that bush didn't want to hurt the crew guy, but that is not the point. The point is his fine was no worse than anyone else's this year and his actions (in my eyes) were
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I said Busch should be suspended, but we need to look at the situation closely before saying that. 100 driver and owner points is so critical in todays competition. NASCAR also parked Busch after the incident, so we need to take that into consideration as well.
 
So you really believe that Kurt would have run the crewman over if he hadn't got out of the way. Some of you really believe that a fairly recent Nascar champion driving at a slow speed has that much little control of their car that he couldn't have stopped or swerved if he thought he was going to hit the guy.
All I can say is I wish I had the laundromats in your area because as much as some of you soil your panties I'd retire early.
 
JG24 said:
I said Busch should be suspended, but we need to look at the situation closely before saying that. 100 driver and owner points is so critical in todays competition. NASCAR also parked Busch after the incident, so we need to take that into consideration as well.
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one more time, Bush's fine wasn't any worse than anyone elses this year
 
de7xwcc said:
one more time, Bush's fine wasn't any worse than anyone elses this year
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Well there you go at least they are consistent now for all of you who bitch about the lack of....there you go:cool:
 
This is the part of Busch's statement that gets me:

"Yeah, I did think I was probably going to get parked," Busch said Friday before Nextel Cup practice at Pocono Raceway. "But it's a blessing that NASCAR realized that nothing too serious did happen so we can move forward with this and get back to the normal roots of racing for us, which is to go and gain points on Sunday."
 
muggle not said:
This is the part of Busch's statement that gets me:

"Yeah, I did think I was probably going to get parked," Busch said Friday before Nextel Cup practice at Pocono Raceway. "But it's a blessing that NASCAR realized that nothing too serious did happen so we can move forward with this and get back to the normal roots of racing for us, which is to go and gain points on Sunday."
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Yeh that is Kurt for you living in his self absorbed Kurt world. He will never change, i have tried to give him the benifit of the doubt too many times, and this year i almost swayed to tolerating him. But alas he has once again put any of those thoughts to rest with his actions this past Monday.
 
LONG POND, Pa. -- Moments after NASCAR announced the penalties handed down to Kurt Busch following Monday's pit-road incident with Tony Stewart, the question on everyone's lips Friday at Pocono Raceway was, "Why wasn't Busch suspended?"

After all, Kevin Harvick earned a trip to NASCAR's "penalty box" in 2002, sitting out the Cup race for rough driving during a Craftsman Truck Series race earlier that weekend.

NASCAR vice president of competition, Robin Pemberton, said a suspension was considered but felt "the 100-point penalty and $100,000 was substantial." In addition, Busch was saddled with a 42nd-place finish after NASCAR parked the No. 2 Dodge for the rest of the race at Dover (watch video).

"There's a reason why we don't do immediate penalties," Pemberton said. "We get together with our group and talk about it. We looked at a lot of different options and that was on the table at one time."

So how close did Busch come to missing this weekend's race?

"I won't say that it was close," Pemberton replied. "With our group, when we sit down as we do for every penalty, some take a little bit longer to get our arms around.

"It took two and a half days to work this thing out and do what was best for ourselves, Roger Penske and his group and Kurt Busch and the people that were on pit road."

Pemberton said he was in contact with key Penske Racing officials during the week, discussing the situation with vice chairman Walter Czarnecki and president Don Miller. Pemberton added NASCAR's highest priority is the safety of everyone in the pits.

"Accidents do happen and we don't need to put ourselves in the position to allow an accident to happen like that," he said. "The safety issues, particularly on pit road where the crew members are wearing fire suits and safety helmets, we have to take care of them."

Pemberton said he had another meeting with Busch scheduled Friday morning, apparently to impress upon him the severity of his transgressions.

"We just talked briefly after the race and we'll talk some more this morning," he said.
 
Maybe the judge from the Paris Hilton case could get a job with NASCAR...I bet he could get all types of rule infractions to stop :D
 
de7xwcc said:
one more time, Bush's fine wasn't any worse than anyone elses this year
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I just don't understand how you know so much about what's going on, didn't you quit watching a year or so ago?
Seems I remember quite a while back you saying you were quiting and I also just read you saying you quit in another thread.
 
ajk112802 said:
Maybe the judge from the Paris Hilton case could get a job with NASCAR...I bet he could get all types of rule infractions to stop :D
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there wouldn't be any drivers left..they'd all be suspended. Although it'd be interesting for him to look at busch's record on and off the track.
 
Eagle1 said:
I just don't understand how you know so much about what's going on, didn't you quit watching a year or so ago?
Seems I remember quite a while back you saying you were quiting and I also just read you saying you quit in another thread.
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I just can't keep the secret anymore. He's blind. That's right he went blind.
He'd always told his mother that he would stop when he needed glasses but he was unable to stop.
Now he has to listen on the radio.

If only he'd found a girl things might have been different.
 
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JG24 said:
ATTEMPTED MURDER?

I agree that Busch should have been suspended, but it wasn't even close to attempted murder. Don't take things and make them what they aren't meant to be. What people need to remember is NASCAR also parked Busch after that incident. Busch said his intentions were NOT to harm the crew member, he wanted to confront Stewart. People need to take that into consideration before making claims.
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Had that pit crew member not moved out of the way he would have been run over by a 3400 pound race car going around 60 mph. Outside of the sport, if that were to happen on the street, thats called attempted murder.
 
Okay all you sissies, I told you there'd be no suspension. And once again, comparing this incident to the Rudd/Elliott's crew member dying is rediculous. The two incidents are completely different and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. We've covered that so let's move on. It's okay that you think Kurt should be suspended, but as I see it, most, if not all of you who have suggested or insisted on this punishment are, if not haters, at the very least, disgusted with Kurt and so your opinions are clouded by your emotions. As evident from what I've said, I'd much rather see a track full of drivers like Kurt and Tony over most of the rest of the bunch. Oh I know, I can hear it all now. They'll kill someone someday. Yeah right, and the beginning of the sport is rife with dead drivers because this sort of thing happened all the time.

Murder! Hell, if you ask me, most every week, there are 43 drivers out there who are murdering the sport, but when one of them gets a little over aggressive, there's a swell of hollerin'. Then when these guys, who are incased in cars that are capable of running 200 mph into walls and are wearing helmets, have cans of beer lobbed at them, the cacaphony gets even louder. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have a can or two of beer thrown at me in one of those cars than do a rollover.

Maybe the sissies aren't just in the cars these days, but have flooded the stands as well.

Waaaaaa, as a famous little girl wailed today...Mom, it just isn't right! Waaaaaa! :cool:
 
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