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Where do you guys think the Hall of Fame should go?

I personally think Charlotte should get it, seeing how many of those that will be inducted into the hall of fame are from the Carolinas...and well....the carolinas are home to almost all of the race teams.

Just a few drivers that are from the Carolinas

Richard Petty
David Pearson
Junior Johnson
Cale Yarborough
LeRoy Yarborough
Ned Jarret
Dale Jarret
Dale Earnhardt
Ralph Earnhardt
Dale Earnhardt Jr
Lee Petty
Kyle Petty
Morgan Shepard ;)

those are just a few of the guys...we all know there are a ton more.....but that should speak for itself.
 
The NASCAR Hall of Fame belongs in Daytona Beach, Florida. The birthplace and home of that organization, without which those good old boys in the Carolinas would still be racing on dirt tracks and chasing their promoters around trying to get paid.
The rest of us would be watching the USAC stockcars race on TV every weekend.
 
Dale Earnhardt Jr is being inducted into the hall of fame?
 
nope...was just saying what drivers are from the carolinas...thats just a list of drivers that i came up with off of the top of my head...minus Jr and Shepard...i think everyone else on that list would be in the hall though.

the hall isnt going to Daytona...state of FL has said it will not pay for it....the Daytona team has basically said its dead
 
Maybe they could put in the Alaska panhandle instead :)

Seriously though, are there any links to sites that have information? I guess I've had my head in the sand lately.

Edit: after posting the above, I noticed that this post as well as my previous both say 439. I wonder what that's about.
 
I agree with what Bob said. But if it's a done deal that Florida is out, that's too bad.


Patrick. What do you mean? The post count increases and that number shows up on all your posts.

Or is there a hidden meaning to the number 439? :confused:
 
is there really a need for a NASCAR HOF?
there already is the International Motorsports Hall of Fame in Talladega, AL
 
Well, I would take exception to several of those drivers you've listed as belonging in a Hall of Fame, but...

How about Glenn Roberts, Herschel McGriff, Bill France Sr. and Jr., (without whom there would be no NASCAR) John Holman, Ralph Moody, Fred Lorenzen, Chargin' Charlie Glotzbac, Ray Nichels, Paul Goldsmith, Smokey Yunick, Russ Truelove, Carl Kiekaufer (sp?)??
How about Joe Matolio (sp?), the owner of Pocono, Roger Penske? The Bahre brothers, Bob and Dick?
Or????

Those are just a few that come off the top of my mind, not a one of them from the Carolina's and everyone of them much more deserving of induction in any NASCAR Hall of Fame as any of those mentioned above.

These guys were THE original movers and shakers, along with Lee Petty, the Flock brothers (and sisters), Curtis Turner and many others who were racing before any of those kids were born.

Ralph Earnhardt? What the dickens did he ever do that entitles his induction into any hall of fame? He raced sportsman cars with only a handful of Grand National starts. Not really all that much success in that series either, if memory serves me correctly.

LeeRoy Yarborough? Drove for Jr. Johnson with some success, but Hall of Fame material?

Kyle Petty? Why? Simply because of his last name?

Morgan Shepard??

One driver who probably does deserve induction is Geoffery Bodine. One of the first graduate mechanical engineers to compete in Grand National; still holds the record for the number of victories in the modified series in a single season, brought many safety innovations to the sport, has something like 18 wins including a Daytona 500 victory.
Lots more deserving than some on that other list.

I would think that if NASCAR decides to locate the Hall of Fame in Daytona Beach, that is where it will end up. While state support of such a venture would certainly sweeten the pot, I doubt that NASCAR couldn't bring it all about where ever they wanted it located. I think they could probably afford it.

Isn't there a matter of a lease on some Florida swamp land that is coming up in the very near future as well?
 
If it's up to NASCAR, it'll probably be located in Daytona and I guess that would be a good option. But, I would like to see it located in Mooresville, NC, "Race City USA". People would be able to see more shops in that area than any other place they visited. Charlotte wouldn't be all that bad because of the proximity of the shops, but Mooresville would be the best location in my opinion. It would also be much more accessible to more people there as well, but if we went that route, I guess you could say that Kansas City would be in the middle of the lower 48.
 
please read my post above....i was not saying who should or should not be in the hall of fame...i was just naming drivers from the Carolinas
 
Atho I would love to see the HOF in Atlanta (close to my home), I doubt it will happen, even with Awesome Bill endorsing that choice.
Daytona woud be Nascar's obvious choice, but Charlotte makes the most sence...proximity to the most shops, drivers homes, LAKE NORMAN, my sister :)
 
bumpzter said:
I agree with what Bob said. But if it's a done deal that Florida is out, that's too bad.


Patrick. What do you mean? The post count increases and that number shows up on all your posts.

Or is there a hidden meaning to the number 439? :confused:
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Sorry about that. I thought each post had its own number in sequence. :eek:
 
Golly, I forgot to mention the original Alabama Gang in my list.

I still wonder why they called them the Alabama gang when two of the three members were not from Alabama at all, but transplanted Floridians?

ThisBudsforMe,

I was merely trying to point out that in spite of what most fans believe, NASCAR was, right from the start intended to be a National organization and many of the original owners and drivers were from all parts of the country. (This is still the case, even if many have moved to the Carolina's, many of those folks still have homes and business interests in their "home" states.)

While the first couple of years they were pretty much a Southeastern body, if you check the records you will find that up until RJR/Winston came on board in the early 1970's, NASCAR did indeed race all over the United States, as many as 60+ events a season.
That's just the Strictly Stock/Grand National Division. There was also a very active Sportsman/Modified Division that held sanctioned events pretty much all over the country as well.

With RJR/Winston's involvement, the schedule was cut drastically, racing was pretty much limited to the Southeastern corner of the country with only a few exceptions and was struggling along until Ken Squire sold CBS on televising the 1979 Daytona 500 race, flag to flag. (Ken also brought the on-board camera to racing broadcasts.)

ABC/ESPN saw the potential, TNN also jumped on board, and NASCAR became the "fastest growing sport" on TV.
Unfortunately, what we see now is no longer what I'd consider sport; more along the lines of sports entertainment, a huge business enterprise contrived to relieve the fans of whatever hard earned dollars they will throw away, but that's an entirely different subject.

With the expansion of the NASCAR NEXTEL CUP racing schedule across the country, I would not be surprised to see teams move from the Carolinas to the central states in the near future.
Roush already has a huge facility in Michigan, Penske has facilities all across the country, Henrick has business facilities nationwide, many of the truck and BGN teams, along with some of the major engine and chassis builders for other types of racing are already located centrally, the speed equipment industry is largely based in California and with the scheduling and travel, it would only make good sense for teams to make that type of move.

Time will tell, I guess?
 
Bob,

I have thought about what you just said many times and have predicted the move of many Nascar teams to the middle of the country to many of my friends. I without a doubt can see that happening, but, it would take a lot of money to do so. Many teams in the area have already left their old shops and have built brand new Multi Million dollar complexes around here. To move all of those teams would be a huge feat. Roush is in a brand new building right beside the airport that houses all of his NNC cup teams. He still owns buildings in Mooresville where i think his busch cars are operated out of. RCR is staying here, as i would think Hendrick would aswell. I have not seen Hendrick but have heard the complex is amazing..i have seen RCR, its massive...at least 11 buildings..MBIV just bought a building (huge building, an old manufactoring plant) in Mooresville...the trend seems to be that teams are buying or building bigger buildings....they seem to making a new investment in this area. I know RYR bought the old Eel River Racing building a few years back, Ganasi just built a huge building near Roush...so I dunno...i agree with what your saying Bob, but it looks like a lot of the teams are reinvesting into the area.
 
Bigger buildings? Penske's new facility is more like a city under a roof. I suspect that one could fly a helecopter inside that building. :)

BTW, though it's not a hall of fame, a new facility was just opened in Winston Salem this week that is a museum for the Winston Cup Series. I've yet to see it, but it's been all over the news in this town. Richard Childress was present for the opening and said that something was needed to show support for RJR and what they did for the sport. Yeah, I guess Richard should say that. If they hadn't come on board, he'd still be working in his garage just outside Winston Salem, driving an old Chevy pickup. :) Now, you should see his new home. WOW!
 
i heard about this on the radio...i gotta get up there to see it
 
This Buds For Me said:
the hall isnt going to Daytona...state of FL has said it will not pay for it....the Daytona team has basically said its dead
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There's so much money in NASCAR and the big teams, why would the state have to pay for it anyway? Let NASCAR build it. They'll charge admission, sell souvenirs and make money like they do with everything else.
 
Nascar has said that they are not going to pay for it and the city and states that want it, will have to pay for it.
 
Michigan drops out of the race:

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Some notable quotes:


"There's a great sense of history in those cities, a great sense of the past and of what NASCAR is all about," said Bob Marcusse, president and chief executive officer of the Kansas City Area Development Council. "We certainly honor that and appreciate all that has been. But we also understand that there's a future for this sport, and we look forward to being the community that best positions NASCAR for its future."
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"Obviously, the other communities think we're the underdog," Boerger said. "But that's a good place to be in, because we have nothing to lose."
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"Our belief is that our customer happens to be the board of directors of NASCAR," said Marcusse, who estimated the project would cost $100 million and cover about 100,000 square feet. "We want to deliver our finished product to our customers without sharing it with the rest of the world before the customer sees it."
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i want it in charlotte...but think it will be in Kansas City...NASCAR has shown in the past that it does not mind turning its back on its roots and history....i think they will go to KC because they want to develop another hot bed for nascar...they already have 2..charlotte and daytona...why not create another one in KC....i think KC is the wrong place for it......it should go to daytona or charlotte.
 
I think you've got something there. While KC is doing it's best, they also say that even though other sports go with the history thing, NASCAR doesn't usually go that way. Baseball HOF is at the birthplace of baseball. So is football and basketball. However, Brian France doesn't dance to the beat of the drum and is likely to pick a place like KC since it truely is in the center of the lower 48 and is much easier for the majority of the people in the US. And of course, damned be the choice of racing fans of old.
 
I would be down right giddy if they chose my home town. Being just 20 minutes from the speedway it would make for a nice trip every once and awhile. One thing you can be sure of, Kansas City will pull out all the stops. They did it to get the Speedway built.

Check this site out: HOK Sports architecture

This is one class of a company helping with the design of the HOF building. The folks at NASCAR I think will truely be amazed at what Kansas City will have to offer.
 
Charlotte is pulling out all the stops as well...if your comming to Charlotte for speedweeks in mid May..you'll be flooded with why we should get the hall :)
 
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