NASCAR is consistant!

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Consistantly INconsitant. Another example of re-writign the rule book, lol!!

NASCAR says Kenseth legally beat Keselowski to line on Bristol restart: Generally, there are two cardinal rules when it comes to NASCAR's double-file restarts: don't change lanes before you cross the start/finish line and if you're in second, don't beat the leader to the start/finish line. With 154 laps to go in Sunday's Food City 500, #17-Matt Kenseth restarted second. The leader, #2-Brad Keselowski, was next to him on the inside line. It was the first time the leader had taken the inside line all day. Kenseth clearly beat Keselowski to the start/finish line as you can see in the video above, and the two entered turn one side-by-side before Kenseth prevailed and cleared Keselowski a few laps later. Kenseth never conceded the position to Keselowski, nor was he black-flagged by NASCAR. Why? Because according to NASCAR spokesman Kerry Tharp, race officials deemed that Keselowski hadn't mashed the gas in the designated restart zone before the start/finish line, allowing the second-place driver -- Kenseth -- the right of way to accelerate on his own.(Yahoo Sports)(3-19-2012)
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If Brad himself says NASCAR did the right thing, why would anyone else complain? But Brad's never been one to interpret nascar's decisions based solely on how it affected him. Even in the chase, when Logano messed up and Brad got spun out of 7th at Martinsville, he didn't complain that NASCAR never waved the yellow. He was sitting sideways in the turn and nascar certainly has thrown the yellow in that situation many time before. A yellow would have saved him 10 or 15 spots, but he said NASCAR made the right call. I could list 10 or 15 drivers who cry about yellows that hurt them, but campaign for a yellow that helps them.
 
It's a judgement call and a difficult one at that. But NASCAR's main objective is to stop the brake checking nonsense that occurs when the leader tries to trick the guy in the other lane into jumping the start. Wrecking half the field just to gain a car length is garbage and not penalizing the 2nd place guy for mashing the gas in the restart zone keeps the leader honest.
 
I watched that and wondered why his cc didn't tell him to back off before he got black flagged,it was clear he crossed the line before the leader regardless of what the leader supposedly did or didn't do. Even if the leader spins his tires, they have backed off, let him pass and then the battle continues.
Big E would have turned the air blue. It's not the drivers job to enforce the rules, its na$acrs
 
FenderBumper said:
If Brad himself says NASCAR did the right thing, why would anyone else complain? But Brad's never been one to interpret nascar's decisions based solely on how it affected him. Even in the chase, when Logano messed up and Brad got spun out of 7th at Martinsville, he didn't complain that NASCAR never waved the yellow. He was sitting sideways in the turn and nascar certainly has thrown the yellow in that situation many time before. A yellow would have saved him 10 or 15 spots, but he said NASCAR made the right call. I could list 10 or 15 drivers who cry about yellows that hurt them, but campaign for a yellow that helps them.
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EFI. even got him fined.
 
Honestly I don't even see what the deal is here. We're talking inches as they come up to the line. The intent of the rule is so that the leader isn't break checking, and so the start is even. And when both cars are side by side at the line, even if there's an inch or two difference, that's a good start.
 
VaDirt said:
Honestly I don't even see what the deal is here. We're talking inches as they come up to the line. The intent of the rule is so that the leader isn't break checking, and so the start is even. And when both cars are side by side at the line, even if there's an inch or two difference, that's a good start.
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Some folks think that a start is just about the two lead cars. Nascar is watching the entire field coming up to speed as one,each in their own position.To get forty three drivers to do that at once would be like herding cats if Nascar did not employ a bit of discretion .An inch or two is nothing.
 
VaDirt said:
Honestly I don't even see what the deal is here. We're talking inches as they come up to the line. The intent of the rule is so that the leader isn't break checking, and so the start is even. And when both cars are side by side at the line, even if there's an inch or two difference, that's a good start.
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Exactly my point earlier in the thread.
 
ted@economy said:
.An inch or two is nothing.
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Tell that to Mark Martin who finished .02 seconds behind Happy Harvick at the 2007 Daytona 500...
(or try telling that to your girlfriend...)

The rule is that if the second place driver beats the leader to the starting line, he is subject to a black flag penalty if he does not let the other driver re-take the position in a timely manner. Matt beat Brad to the line (maybe even twice) and did not give up the spot. He deserved a black flag, IMO. Drivers have been black-flagged for less in the past!
 
robbybee said:
Tell that to Mark Martin who finished .02 seconds behind Happy Harvick at the 2007 Daytona 500...
(or try telling that to your girlfriend...)

The rule is that if the second place driver beats the leader to the starting line, he is subject to a black flag penalty if he does not let the other driver re-take the position in a timely manner. Matt beat Brad to the line (maybe even twice) and did not give up the spot. He deserved a black flag, IMO. Drivers have been black-flagged for less in the past!
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I think you are over-simplifying it a bit.
 
Hey even if you are a simpleton you are 100% right:)
The leader sets the pace, he crosses the line first, that's it. Now if he brake checks or does some other move na$car doesn't like the caution comes out after everyone takes the flag and they restart, after the leader gets a stern warning to never,ever ,ever do that again...
Watch the start, he wasn't lagging coming to the line. btw I think that brad is too nice for his own good at times.
 
I think NASCAR needs to clarify that rule a little.

Cause, it's not like Brad was getting run over by the guys behind him.
 
Brad was playing games on the first incident, but I think he spun them a little on the second one. I wouldn't like to see this rule used because a guy is 3 inches too far.
 
Why? Because according to NASCAR spokesman Kerry Tharp, race officials deemed that Keselowski hadn't mashed the gas in the designated restart zone before the start/finish line, allowing the second-place driver -- Kenseth -- the right of way to accelerate on his own.(Yahoo Sports)(3-19-2012)


BOTTOM LINE NO BRAKE CHECKING
 
:bsflag:I am A ford guy......but I would be pissed! Matt should have given the place back I don"t care how close it was or if brad was break checking...that's racing do what you have to do man. Matt was his biggest threat If he has a way to get him a black flag go for it,the 2nd place guy needs to be smarter than that.
 
Biffle16 said:
:bsflag:I am A ford guy......but I would be pissed! Matt should have given the place back I don"t care how close it was or if brad was break checking...that's racing do what you have to do man. Matt was his biggest threat If he has a way to get him a black flag go for it,the 2nd place guy needs to be smarter than that.
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I disagree. We can't have the leaders brake checking the field and tearing up race cars. If the leader doesn't get going it's his own damn fault.
 
Biffle16 said:
:bsflag:I am A ford guy......but I would be pissed! Matt should have given the place back I don"t care how close it was or if brad was break checking...that's racing do what you have to do man. Matt was his biggest threat If he has a way to get him a black flag go for it,the 2nd place guy needs to be smarter than that.
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Doesn't common sense come into play at one point? It was inches, and it was a clean, side by side start. People gripe about little **** that NASCAR penalizes people for, and then start griping when NASCAR doesn't penalize people for stupid **** (and a black flag for that would have been one of the dumbest black flags ever thrown)
 
I have a idea let's throw the rule book in the trash...bring your own car and do as you please.
 
I hope this teaches Brad to stop playing games. He's pretty good at restarts, and nobody was laying back, so there's was no reason to bag the restart.

Besides, Brad did exactly the same thing to Kyle in a NW race. If the leader doesn't get going in the lines, the green waves and it's go time. Brad gave away his advantage.
 
Who said he brake checked???
Quote: "Because according to NASCAR spokesman Kerry Tharp, race officials deemed that Keselowski hadn't mashed the gas in the designated restart zone before the start/finish line, allowing the second-place driver -- Kenseth -- the right of way to accelerate on his own"Wonder where this is written?

Now na$car tells driver when to mash the gas? If he hadn't been on the gas there would have been a hellofva wreck behind him because the cc tells them when to go. Drivers really can't see the flag stand clearly from 10 rows back.
The one-eyed Jack wins again....
 
SST55 said:
Who said he brake checked???
Quote: "Because according to NASCAR spokesman Kerry Tharp, race officials deemed that Keselowski hadn't mashed the gas in the designated restart zone before the start/finish line, allowing the second-place driver -- Kenseth -- the right of way to accelerate on his own"Wonder where this is written?

Now na$car tells driver when to mash the gas? If he hadn't been on the gas there would have been a hellofva wreck behind him because the cc tells them when to go. Drivers really can't see the flag stand clearly from 10 rows back.
The one-eyed Jack wins again....
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It's always been there, just like it's always been at almost every race track I've ever bben too. Drivers have to start in a designated area before the start/finish line.

I really don't understand why everyone's panties are so tied up about this non-event.
 
SST55 said:
Who said he brake checked???
Quote: "Because according to NASCAR spokesman Kerry Tharp, race officials deemed that Keselowski hadn't mashed the gas in the designated restart zone before the start/finish line, allowing the second-place driver -- Kenseth -- the right of way to accelerate on his own"Wonder where this is written?

Now na$car tells driver when to mash the gas? If he hadn't been on the gas there would have been a hellofva wreck behind him because the cc tells them when to go. Drivers really can't see the flag stand clearly from 10 rows back.
The one-eyed Jack wins again....
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The rules regarding the restart zones are in place to keep the leader from brake checking.

Here is what Brad and Matt had to say on the matter:

Keselowski wasn’t going to argue with NASCAR’s no-call on a late restart when it appeared that runnerup Matt Kenseth beat him to the start/finish line.
“It's such a ball-strike call,” Keselowski said. “I hate to be on NASCAR's side that he beat you to the start/finish line.
“I can tell you there's two yellow lines on the wall. Visually, you can't tell if somebody goes 50 foot before 'em or right at 'em. It's damn near impossible to visually tell that. Even if you had telemetry, it's hard to tell it.
“It's very subjective. I think when things are as subjective as that is, a no-call is a right call.”
Kenseth felt Keselowski might have been playing games on the restart. He said Keselowski didn’t go full-throttle in the restart zone.
“I didn’t even floor it until we got to the start-finish line,” Kenseth said. “I don’t know if he was trying to let me beat him on purpose or what was going on. I was half-throttle for probably five car lengths. Finally I had to go or Martin [Truex] or whoever was behind me was going to drive around me.
“I was way past that second line and we still weren’t wide open. I think he was just playing a little game trying to get me out there so I had to drill the brakes and brake-check everybody and (he could) go right by me. I just watched him and tried to get to the line just barely behind him.”
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I've been a fan of Brad's for 5 year now. He started doing this 2 years ago, and I wish he would knock it off and just go.
 
MOEJOE said:
Hmmmmmmmmm. Sounds like somebody is playing Mr bad boy.
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He picked up some bad habits along the way. He's constantly hanging back to get a run on the leader too. A drivers reputation on restarts is probably part of how NASCAR judges these things.
 
I remember Brad and Kyle messing with each other at PIR in the NW series. Then Kyle just gunned it and beat the leader to the line by 10 car lengths. It was funny as hell. Of course he was penalized but it was still funny.
 
Matthew2470 said:
I remember Brad and Kyle messing with each other at PIR in the NW series. Then Kyle just gunned it and beat the leader to the line by 10 car lengths. It was funny as hell. Of course he was penalized but it was still funny.
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I remember that well, and what led up to it. On the previous restart, Kyle didn't go after passing the second start line, and the green flag waved. Brad gunned it and beat Kyle to the line and then into turn one. Brad understood the rules, but Kyle thought he got away with cheating the restart. On the next restart, Kyle decided to get even and blew by Kez BEFORE the second restart line. I remember him screaming on the radio when he got black flagged. 'I did what HE did. Why are they picking on ME?'.
It was hilarious, but Kyle came back to win after there were 4 or 5 yellows in about 20 laps.
 
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