NASCAR mulls changing rule that guarantees starting spots for Top 35 drivers

Basically ,we are talking about how they fill spots 35 to 38 .Right ? Why is it such a big deal? Is Nascar just giving in AGAIN to the complainers?
 
FenderBumper said:
I say toss the top 35 rule and let economics handle things when a top team fails to qualify.
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Totally agree and make it mandatory that if you are going to race you have to complete 100 laps barring any accident. Get rid of the start and parks, lets have 30-35 strong teams that are competitive, there is no need to have to start 43 cars. It is high time Nascar got over that.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Totally agree and make it mandatory that if you are going to race you have to complete 100 laps barring any accident. Get rid of the start and parks, lets have 30-35 strong teams that are competitive, there is no need to have to start 43 cars. It is high time Nascar got over that.
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I have mixed feelings toward S&P's. Many are organizations just trying to stay in business and keep people employed until things get better. I do like the 100 laps rule, and I would throw in a rule that says you must have a minimum of 4 pit crewman to practice, qualify and start the race. NASCAR could pony up 6 free raceday tires to offset some of the pit crew costs. They are the ones who insist on a 43 car field.

If they use the rig driver and CC, they just need 2 more guys to get it done. I bet qualified pit crewmen who are out of work would make the trip and hook up with S&P teams that qualify, and those teams that don't qualify could make a few bucks pitting for another S&P that did qualify.
 
I would suggest a provisional system where drivers and owners can earn a provisional.

For example, award a provisional to a driver for each win. If a driver has 10 wins he has 10 provisionals to use during his career. Award team owners a provisional for each team in the chase and another (or two) for winning the cup. Once a provisional is used it is gone – eliminate the past champions getting a perpetual provisional.

If more provisionals need to be in the pool, award one for winning a pole.
 
Why not make a rule that every second race the Fords have to race in reverse gear . Sorry , don't know what came over me . Couldn't think of a new rule.:confused:
 
What's with all the 30 to 38 talk? What am I missing? If the points leader wrecks during qualifying, he still makes the race because he's top 35. Wouldn't that change?
 
FenderBumper said:
What's with all the 30 to 38 talk? What am I missing? If the points leader wrecks during qualifying, he still makes the race because he's top 35. Wouldn't that change?
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Under what they're proposing and from what I've seen yes. I'm sure they can come up with a sytem though. Maybe having the top 12 locked in or something? I'd like to see the field cut and fastest cars make it but at the sametime I'd hate if I go to a race and a big name or favorite wasn't in it. Guess that's the dilema that Nascar is up against to.
 
FenderBumper said:
What's with all the 30 to 38 talk? What am I missing? If the points leader wrecks during qualifying, he still makes the race because he's top 35. Wouldn't that change?
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Do you want the Cliff notes?

If it is JR, yes, he will make the race. ;)
 
Placing more points on qualifying is the only way to make it more exciting. That's what it is.
 
FenderBumper said:
Do you have an answer to my question?
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I said before what I believe will happen . There are still five provisionals plus a past champions , so the top drivers are pretty much protected unless something really weird happens . The difference that it will make is that three more start and parks will be able to make the race by running a qualifying set up while three mid pack cars will likely go home .
 
Can anyone imagine the attention Nascar would receive if one of their big 5 didn't make a race? JEEGS :eek:

Don't bother asking me which 5 'cause if you don't know, go ahead and pick your own ;)
 
Thegroundpounder99 said:
Under what they're proposing and from what I've seen yes. I'm sure they can come up with a sytem though. Maybe having the top 12 locked in or something? I'd like to see the field cut and fastest cars make it but at the sametime I'd hate if I go to a race and a big name or favorite wasn't in it. Guess that's the dilema that Nascar is up against to.
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I say let big teams pay the back markers for their starting spot. Anything NASCAR does to get a top team into the race will be seen as cheap. Make something that goes on behind closed doors out in the open.

The 48 wrecked in qualifying and was forced to pay a 10% purse premium to a S&P for their 38th starting position, but they have to start at the back of the field. Jimmie has a tough position to come back from, and an S&P is off the track and in a better financial position. As a fan, I could live with that.
 
FenderBumper said:
I say let big teams pay the back markers for their starting spot. Anything NASCAR does to get a top team into the race will be seen as cheap. Make something that goes on behind closed doors out in the open.

The 48 wrecked in qualifying and was forced to pay a 10% purse premium to a S&P for their 38th starting position, but they have to start at the back of the field. Jimmie has a tough position to come back from, and an S&P is off the track and in a better financial position. As a fan, I could live with that.
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Don't like it opens the floodgates for all kind of sneaky crap to go on. It is simple the fastes cars race, no start and parks, and if a big name doesn't make it... tough.
 
#17D500winner said:
Can anyone imagine the attention Nascar would receive if one of their big 5 didn't make a race? JEEGS :eek:

Don't bother asking me which 5 'cause if you don't know, go ahead and pick your own ;)
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Could you imagine JR not making the show at Talladega? They'd burn the place down!
 
ted@economy said:
I said before what I believe will happen . There are still five provisionals plus a past champions , so the top drivers are pretty much protected unless something really weird happens . The difference that it will make is that three more start and parks will be able to make the race by running a qualifying set up while three mid pack cars will likely go home .
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I guess, in a way, that means the changes only affect places 30-38. Kinds, sort of, maybe. I focused more on this: Pemberton also says there should be provisional spots available to drivers who "have a bad day" and insisted that no decision has yet been made. But Pemberton acknowledges fans want to see the fastest cars start the race.
 
FenderBumper said:
I guess, in a way, that means the changes only affect places 30-38. Kinds, sort of, maybe. I focused more on this: Pemberton also says there should be provisional spots available to drivers who "have a bad day" and insisted that no decision has yet been made. But Pemberton acknowledges fans want to see the fastest cars start the race.
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Yeh start the race and actually race not park it after 5 laps!
 
Mopardh9 said:
Don't like it opens the floodgates for all kind of sneaky crap to go on. It is simple the fastes cars race, no start and parks, and if a big name doesn't make it... tough.
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Forcing S&P's to race without sponsorship will simply mean a smaller field and a bunch of guys out of work. Maybe that would be good with just the racing teams getting a larger share of the purse.
 
FenderBumper said:
Forcing S&P's to race without sponsorship will simply mean a smaller field and a bunch of guys out of work. Maybe that would be good with just the racing teams getting a larger share of the purse.
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It would weed out the teams that don't belong there, the ones that take some of the lesser sponsors away from teams that actually might be able to compete. More money is always a good thing for prize money. I'm so sick of Nascar being hung up on 43 cars, it's a joke and I think it hurts the sport more than it helps.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Don't like it opens the floodgates for all kind of sneaky crap to go on. It is simple the fastes cars race, no start and parks, and if a big name doesn't make it... tough.
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It goes on now. Menard's paid a team to withdraw so Paul could race. I'm sure it's happened other times, but we never heard about it. Putting it out in the open, with teams informing NASCAR of the deal, wouldn't be sneaky. One team buys what they want from the team that has it. Capitalism at work.
 
FenderBumper said:
Forcing S&P's to race without sponsorship will simply mean a smaller field and a bunch of guys out of work. Maybe that would be good with just the racing teams getting a larger share of the purse.
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The S&P's are normally gone in less than twenty laps anyway so I couldn't care less if they even started.
 
Mopardh9 said:
It would weed out the teams that don't belong there, the ones that take some of the lesser sponsors away from teams that actually might be able to compete. More money is always a good thing for prize money. I'm so sick of Nascar being hung up on 43 cars, it's a joke and I think it hurts the sport more than it helps.
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I'm not aware of any sponsored S&P. Who are you talking about?

I do agree with the 43 car thing, but some have said it's mandated in the TV contracts, so it won't change.
 
FenderBumper said:
I'm not aware of any sponsored S&P. Who are you talking about?

I do agree with the 43 car thing, but some have said it's mandated in the TV contracts, so it won't change.
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I don't know the cars specifically, but I know a few of the cars from 35-43 in points have some sponsorship.
 
Seems to me that I recall somewhere in my foggy half brain ; that Richard Childress entered some start and parks at Homestead one year to give Dale Sr . a better shot at winning the championship. But , that was 'back in the day' when racin was racin .
 
ted@economy said:
Seems to me that I recall somewhere in my foggy half brain ; that Richard Childress entered some start and parks at Homestead one year to give Dale Sr . a better shot at winning the championship. But , that was 'back in the day' when racin was racin .
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How were S&P's supposed to help?
 
Things like that weren't the end of the world back then like they are today .
 
I have mixed feelings about it, look into it more after I get home.
 
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