Nascar Pay Per View

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Mopardh9

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Ok...we have discussed on here many times the NBC vs Fox subject and even touched on pay per view a few times. Right now i am so sick of the commercials, green flag restarts are missed, accidents are missed, and the commentarty on both networks really sucks IMO. Next year it will be ESPN, they might be a little better, but i really think it will be much of the same. So, i pose this question to you all....who would shell out $$ to watch Nascar on pay per view? This of course most likely would never happen due to the sponsor money, but i for one would shell out the money to watch a race commercial free. I'd also pay extra to get in car audio and video of my favorite drivers during this type of broadcast. Just curious if there are others that would pay for a Nascar broadcast free of commercials???
 
For me it would depend on the cost. If it were in the neighbourhood of that WWE wrestling crap, then I'd most likely put up with the commercials.
 
If it were in the range of the NFL Sunday ticket I think I'd buy in.
 
I never minded the commercials until TNT took over the broadcasts.
 
I just couldn't afford it!
Trackpass is commercial free, you can get the audio, but not live video.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Ok...we have discussed on here many times the NBC vs Fox subject and even touched on pay per view a few times. Right now i am so sick of the commercials, green flag restarts are missed, accidents are missed, and the commentarty on both networks really sucks IMO.
What makes you think the commentary won't suck any more if it's PPV and NASCAR picks the announcers?

I don't like all the commercials more than anyone else. People keep ripping NBC and TNT for all the commercials, Fox was just as bad. I could tell a difference between the races on Fox and on FX. With FX being a cable channel, I guess that had something do with it.

The reason there are so many commercials is the networks paid too much money for the rights, commercials is how the get back most of their money. It's the same way with the NCAA tournament and CBS. It changes the way the game is played because there is actually a stop in play for their commercials. During the tournament, there is a full time out at every scheduled time out (every 4 minutes of play) and during every called time out by either team. It's terrible.

I don't think NASCAR will ever go PPV. They can't make the amount of money off PPV they're getting now from the networks. They need to find a creative way to get some sponsorship without adding more commercials.
 
I wouldn't pay to watch NASCAR on TV but it won't happen anyway. NASCAR needs to get their sponsers air time and it just won't happen on ppv. Also the fan base would shrink because while most people can watch on cable, not everyone will subscribe. It would also be harder to attract new fans without the races being televised on free TV.

On the other hand, NASCAR being on ppv would be the greatest thing ever for the IRL.
 
I tend to dissagree, i think due to the fact that Nascar is so huge it would sell on PPV just like the Sunday Ticket for the NFL. If i had the option of buying Nascar for an entire season on PPV versus watching all the commercials on Fox/NBC/ESPN it would be a no brainer. I could really care less about the commentary, although it is refreshing sometimes to get some one doing color that is interesting. Just being able to watch an entire race without missng anything would be great for me, plus i could record it on dvd and watch it when i want. I hate commercials....lol.
 
OK, there's good arguments on both sides. What if they offered it both ways. PPV w/out commercials and with whoever in the booth and free with the current commercial load. And, the PPV pricing was similar to the NFLST. Would you buy or watch for free? Me, I'm buying. It could replace the in-car broadcast which I never could get into for more than a minute or 2.
 
barelypure said:
OK, there's good arguments on both sides. What if they offered it both ways. PPV w/out commercials and with whoever in the booth and free with the current commercial load. And, the PPV pricing was similar to the NFLST. Would you buy or watch for free? Me, I'm buying. It could replace the in-car broadcast which I never could get into for more than a minute or 2.
Yep i'd even get rid of my current cable if they didn't offer it and get a dish! :D
 
Oh boy, this is something that I've thought about for years and have also talked about it with many different people, both here and other places.

Here's a scenario from NASCAR...
So let's get down to business here and see what would be acceptable for folks. Okay, if we would charge a mere ten bucks a race, we're talking about $360 smackers alone for the Cup races, but we can't let them just get the Cup races, so now we're talking about adding another 35 races for the Busch Series. But wait, we can't charge the same for Busch, so let's halve that to a mere fin and now we're talking about adding another $175, making the total now $515 bucks. Okay, as long as we're doing Cup and Busch, there's bound to be those who want to see the Truck Series, so let's add more for the 25 races. If we charge only 2 bucks a race, we're talking another hundred bucks, but let's give a nice discount of 15 dollars so we will end up with a nice round figure of $600 for the entire season of Cup, Busch and TCS and we'll throw in qualifying at no extra charge.

Now for sure, that's good price, but will there be many takers? Probably not, so let's see how we can make some changes. First off, we always want to include qualifying and happy hour coverage of the Cup cars, so although that's a bonus, we are sure that we can't cut those two items from the package. Now we also know that the CTS is our premier alternate series and we want as many people as we can get to see this series race, we also know that if people are forced to pay more for coverage of this series, they may balk, so here's nice way to cut a big chunk from the package and though we've already discounted it $15, let's give this series to the fans for nothing. Afterall, this is a kind of feeder series that we need and it's a place where the also rans from the Cup series end up, it's also the place where some of the rising Cup stars begin their rise to stardom. So, now were are left with the lowly Busch series, a place where half the field at times if filled with Cup drivers. We at NASCAR really don't respect this series, but know that there are some fools out there who would really pay to watch it, so while we can cut the prices here, let's not be too generous. Afterall, if people want to watch the Busch Series, they should pay for it. We understand that five bucks a race is a bargain, and we hate to do anything more, but what the hell, let's give them the season for an extra #140 bucks and that makes the entire package worth many times more than the $500 we're asking.
Alright, I am sure that NASCAR would never in their serious minds offer that package to the fans for that price, but if they did, how many people would go for it? Remember, there will still be network coverage and the chances are, the PPV coverage would be the same at the network coverage, only they would continue during the commercial breaks. Now I can tell you that those commercial breaks are worth more than $500 per household and so the deal would certainly be a steal, but again, I don't think there are that many people who would go for it. Even if they were to stairstep the coverage to three or four packages, one for Cup, another with Busch or Truck, another for all three and maybe another for the entire coverage including qualifying and practice. At present, with network coverage, I don't think PPV is even a possiblity. Before they even think about PPV, they would have to run the numbers and see what it would cost them. The packages that are availble for football, baseball and basketball are totally different in that they allow the viewer to watch a different game when the local network is showing their regular game. NASCAR only has one game going at one time, so there isn't a conflict with the coverage.

So, my opinion is this...because they would require way too much money to make PPV happen, they wouldn't be able to swing it with enough patrons to make enough money to even break even. Therefore, PPV in NASCAR is at present a moot point. So forget it, it isn't going to happen.
 
If they go to ppv, then i'll just check out the finishes on the net, or listion to da radio. If i could get it on a week to keep deal, i would get Daytona 500, both dega races. and maybe the day Bristol race. orther then that its not worth 300 bucks a year.
 
Ya'll will have to go find a C-Band Sat. You can watch all races without commercials on ESPN and ABC. I still have mine hooked up and only watch it during college football and the Indy 500. I watched all the Nascar races without commercials when ESPN and CBS carried the races. I am glad ESPN is comming back. I can watch the C-Band for free.
 
I think eventually, NASCAR will go to their own television station. Probably cable channel, like HBO or something.
 
Tabasco said:
Ya'll will have to go find a C-Band Sat. You can watch all races without commercials on ESPN and ABC. I still have mine hooked up and only watch it during college football and the Indy 500. I watched all the Nascar races without commercials when ESPN and CBS carried the races. I am glad ESPN is comming back. I can watch the C-Band for free.

What do you see when they go to commercial? Way back when I had Sat. it would be a black screen on a lot of the channels. Or, like MRN on the scanner where you are hearing the studio?
 
some of us old timers will remember back in the early 80's they tried pay-perview on a Ponoco race. a friend bought it and we all chiped in to cover the cost. i really liked it. guess not enough people bought it because i don't remember them offering it again
 
orther then that its not worth 300 bucks a year

See, that's the question. IF you could get the race w/out commercials what would you be willing to pay? $10 a race doesn't sound like much until you realize its $360. How many subscribers do they have for their in-car broadcast? Would a PPV for the race increase that number? And, you'd still have the commercial stations for those who didn't want to pay.
Forget Trucks, Busch, Arca etc. What would it be worth to you to watch a Cup race, start to finish, with the inane blathering of a Waltrip or Parsons nonstop?
 
Mopardh9 said:
I tend to dissagree, i think due to the fact that Nascar is so huge it would sell on PPV just like the Sunday Ticket for the NFL.
The reason the NFL allows the Sunday Ticket is because they have 12-14 games on every Sunday afternoon. You can only see up to 3 of those games in the afternoon. To give fans a chance to see their favorite team that might not be on in their area, they came up with the Sunday Ticket. That's why it's so huge. There is only one Cup race a week and everyone gets to see if provided they get the two cable channels. They'd have to do away with the network coverage. A PPV service and a network broadcast could not co-exist. It would have to be one or the other. Like someone else said, I can see them going to their own channel before going to PPV. But it would have to be in enough homes for them to justify moving it and still bring in the commercial revenue the networks get now.
 
No black screen. They keep the action going, and they bounce ideas off each other on what to cover in the pits.
 
Why couldn't it co-exist, people would have a choice, no commercials or commercials. With PPV, added features would be the selling point, add in the in car audio for your favorite drivers....give added camera angles, get only your drivers' view the entire race or multiple drivers views, the possibilities could be endless, it all depends on what you are willing to pay? It would be like listening to your scanner at live racing event, you would get all the uncensored dialogue. I see this only for Cup, none of the feeder series would work IMO. Given a choice i think there would be enough interest for PPV to make sustantial $$$ and also for Nascar to cash in. If it were $500/season for Cup, i would pay it. Think about it...it would be as close as you could get to actually being at every race, plus you would get replays! Watching an entire race or watching 5 minutes of racing then 4 minutes of commercials, i know what i would choose. :)
 
Why couldn't it co-exist

I'd argue that it co-exists now. It's just the PPV is in the form of in-car, up to 9 different broadcasts you can buy into rather than 1 covering the race. I just don't like the view from inside the car.
 
Who says it has to be inside the car? I'm talking a flat rate $500/season to watch all the races , including the Allstar and Bud Shootout. Just like watching your favorite games during the NFL season, only you are watching a race without commercials. If I had a choice to watch commercial free and pay a fee or turn to Fox/ESPN/NBC and watch 3 hours of commercials, i'd shell out the $$$ to actually watch a race rather than glimpses of it. :)
 
Im a fan, but its just not worth 10 bucks a race, Most the time i can't watch a full race, because i have orther stuff to do, and i could olny watch a sat. night Cup race if one of my races were cancled. I can deal with the ads. sure they do bother me, but Cable cost to much as it is, so i'll deal with it.
 
Yep it comes with a price, but i'd more than bet there are plenty of people that would pay the price, i could be wrong, because occasionally i am....although not too often....lol :beerbang:
 
No Splitscreen option? No says NASCAR: Fans hoping that NASCAR’s move to ABC/ESPN next year would improve their viewing experience may be in for a rude awakening. Although the networks employ a “Side-By-Side” split-screen feature for its Indy Racing League coverage that allows viewers to continue watching the action while commercials play, NASCAR has forbidden ABC/ESPN or any of its other TV partners from marketing that kind of advertising. “We’ve looked at a lot of options to enhance the fan/viewer experience but feel that a split-screen presentation of ads and racing serves neither the fan nor advertiser,” says Ramsey Poston, NASCAR’s managing director of corporate communications. “Our TV partners do an excellent job of immediately returning to significant track action when it happens during commercials. With replays and other technology, the networks make sure NASCAR fans get the best, most comprehensive race coverage anywhere.” But according to George McNeilly, senior director of communications for ESPN/ABC Sports, the networks would be interested in exploring the split-screen option. “We are engaging focus groups and other research in an effort to quantify the positive feedback we’ve received from people who’ve enjoyed the viewing experience,” McNeilly says. “[Allowing the split screen] would be a NASCAR decision. We’re in discussions about that and many other things.”(Long Island Press)(7-20-2006)
 
Mopardh9 said:
I tend to dissagree, i think due to the fact that Nascar is so huge it would sell on PPV just like the Sunday Ticket for the NFL. If i had the option of buying Nascar for an entire season on PPV versus watching all the commercials on Fox/NBC/ESPN it would be a no brainer. I could really care less about the commentary, although it is refreshing sometimes to get some one doing color that is interesting. Just being able to watch an entire race without missng anything would be great for me, plus i could record it on dvd and watch it when i want. I hate commercials....lol.

I agree, I'd pay $60 a year to not have to have all of those stinking commercials! $500 no way.
 
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