nascar press confrence

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Sounded like they said all drivers 400 points behind the championship leader will be in contention. Also everyone behind the lead will be seperated by 5 point increments.

1.matt kenseth 5000
2.jimmie johnson 4995
3.Dale jr 4990
4.Jeff Gordon 4985

Also drivers will get 5 more points for winning.

I might have missherd something but thats what it sounded like.
 
I dont think they are giving drivers enough points for winning a race should have been 10 atleast jmo. Also the top 10 thing still sounds rediculous, they said they would have all types and styles of tracks in the last 10. Yet there is no road course tracks in there, and that is considered by most the most skill demanding track in nascar.
 
thanks. Oh, and Welcome Aboard! Glad to have ya! Noticed you joined in on the Big Dawgs! It'll be fun. During the off season, well, it's usually slow around here. But, when it gets closer to Daytona, it should pick up around here! Again, welcome aboard! :)
 
Well, this is the jist of the news conference:

*******************************************************New NASCAR playoff structure announced
January 20, 2004
9:32 AM EST (1432 GMT)

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- NASCAR announced today a modification in how the champion of its premier series is determined, creating a NASCAR Nextel Cup "Chase for the Championship" covering the last 10 races of the 36-race NASCAR Nextel Cup Series season.

"The Chase for the Championship will provide a better opportunity for more drivers to win the championship, creating excitement and drama throughout the entire season," NASCAR President Mike Helton said. "In addition, the Chase for the Championship will showcase our drivers' talents, increasing the value for all teams and their sponsors."

After the first 26 races of the NASCAR Nextel Cup season, all drivers in the NASCAR Top 10 and any others within 400 points of the leader will earn a berth in the "Chase for the Championship."

No driver outside the top 10 with 10 races remaining has come back to win the championship of NASCAR's premier series, under the current point system.

All drivers in the "chase" will have their point totals adjusted. The first-place driver in the standings will begin the chase with 5,050 points; the second-place driver will start with 5,045, etc. Incremental five-point drops will continue through the list of title contenders.

In addition, NASCAR is making a change to the current point system for the first time since the system's 1975 inception, awarding 180 points to a race winner, compared to the previous award of 175 points. Five-point bonuses for leading a lap and leading the most laps still will be awarded.

The 180-point award will ensure that a race winner gets more points than a race runner-up. This change will be in effect starting this season for NASCAR's three national series -- NASCAR Nextel Cup, the NASCAR Busch Series and the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series.

At season's end, every driver who finishes in the NASCAR Top 10 will receive a point-fund payout of at least $1 million, with the champion receiving more than $5 million. In addition, the 11th-place driver in the final standings will receive a $250,000 bonus.

"This new approach to determining our champion has both the drivers and the fans in mind," Helton said.

"The Chase for the Championship will be a continuation of our season, with heightened drama. It will increase the spotlight on all competitors and increase the value of being in the series for all teams.

"This will be exciting -- and fair. Since 1975, using the current point system, no driver has ever been outside the NASCAR Top 10 with 10 races remaining and come back to win the championship in our premier series. We added the 400-point cutoff to allow drivers outside the top 10 after 26 races to be included in the Chase for the Championship."

The last time the point system for NASCAR's premier series was altered was in 1975 when the current system, designed to reward consistency, was introduced. This marks the 11th time since 1949 that the point system has been changed.

The system instituted in 1975 remains virtually intact for NASCAR's three national series -- aside from the five additional five points for race winners.

In a safety-related move designed to limit the number of damaged cars returning to races merely to accumulate points, NASCAR will increase minimum-speed requirements, in lieu of altering the points breakdown for lower-finishing cars.
 
Well it's a done deal now, as Big Mike Helton said.......It is what it is.
 
Originally posted by belliotn1@Jan 20 2004, 10:48 AM
I dont think they are giving drivers enough points for winning a race should have been 10 atleast jmo. Also the top 10 thing still sounds rediculous, they said they would have all types and styles of tracks in the last 10. Yet there is no road course tracks in there, and that is considered by most the most skill demanding track in nascar.
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agreed on both accounts.At least the 2nd place finisher wont be able to tie the winner of a race by leading the most laps anyway,long overdue tweak IMHO ;) I also was in favor of 10 more points awarded to the race winner,but at least it's a little better now ;)

There should be a road course rescheduled over the final 10 races,also another short track event,but then this is an entertainment based points system now,not based on a comparison of driver's skill as much anymore :p :p

Perhaps I missed it,but I didn't see any mention of what happens to the race winners of the first 26 races that find Themselves outside of the Top 10 and the -400 point cut-off mark,shouldn't any race winner throughout the entire season be eligible for a run at the Cup?JMO.

I also thought that instead of the -400 points cut-off,that it should have been more like -600 or even -800 points cut-off rate ;)

bottom line,I still don't like it overall,but was glad to see NASCAR raise the minimum speed limit,so as to keep down on the moving wrecks on the track ;)
 
I still don't like the whole concept, but will reserve judgement for now.
 
I don't see how NASCAR can't call this a "Play Off" if you have a driver in 3rd Place in points, 250 behind the leader, he gets to come back only 10-15 points behind the leader. I just hate that some one sitting 12th in points 402 points behind the leader can only move up 1 place in points. Just doesn't seem right. I can't wait to see if someone dominates the season from the beginning and is 401 points ahead of 2nd place, Then what? :lol:

This is called the "Really lucky Dog Pass" :p

Now drivers Can focus on being even more consistant, knowing the points are coming to them at the last ten races.
 
Originally posted by Bucky Badger@Jan 20 2004, 12:47 PM
I can't wait to see if someone dominates the season from the beginning and is 401 points ahead of 2nd place, Then what? :lol:
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Good question.

This ain't the answer. The answer lies in doing something to increase actual competition on the track, not in artificially manufacturing a close points battle. It penalizes the best drivers for being the best, it rewards drivers who were just close enough to barely make it. It stinks, it won't work, and I hate it. It reeks of The Winston with its field inversions and stopping every few laps and all the other junk they put on that race in hopes that someone might actually watch it. Count me out.
 
Originally posted by Bucky Badger@Jan 20 2004, 12:47 PM
I don't see how NASCAR can't call this a "Play Off" if you have a driver in 3rd Place in points, 250 behind the leader, he gets to come back only 10-15 points behind the leader. I just hate that some one sitting 12th in points 402 points behind the leader can only move up 1 place in points. Just doesn't seem right. I can't wait to see if someone dominates the season from the beginning and is 401 points ahead of 2nd place, Then what? :lol:

This is called the "Really lucky Dog Pass" :p

Now drivers Can focus on being even more consistant, knowing the points are coming to them at the last ten races.
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The way I read this, he won't be able to move up any positions.
The 11th place car would be within the 400 and would be included in the "not Playoff".
 
I wonder how much different the points finish would have been? Did Nascar mention any thing about how it would have affected last year or has anyone seen a breakdown? If not, I imagine we will see one somewhere in the next couple of days.

Just curious
 
Well, all I know is that there will likely never be anymore than 10 drivers competing for the championship. I went back 10 years throughout the standings and the #10 driver in the standings has always been well beyond 400 points behind the leader. Good thing they didn't use the 400 points behind the leader as the sole criteria for being in the 10 race playoff...oh wait...it's not a "playoff" :wacko: because there would likely only be 5 or 6 at the most.

So, although they say more than 10 drivers have a chance I think they know good an well that it will only ever be 10 drivers.

Of course maybe I'm just nuts.
 
What happens if the 7th place car is 410 points behine the leader. Does thatt mean we only have a 6 car chase to championship. :lol:
 
Gollum-Nope. Minimum 10 cars competing for the championship for the last 10 races.

Using the 10/400 cutoff rule, after Richmond...

Last year, Michael Waltrip was in 10th place, 785 points behind Matt Kenseth. Tony Stewart was 11th, 846 points behind MK. Jimmie Johnson would have been the champion last year under the playoff format.

In 2002, Kurt Busch was 12th, 361 points behind Sterling Marlin-and according to a couple of sites, KB would have won the title under the playoff format.

But I have another question: Sterling Marlin missed the last seven races of 2002...does the 11th place driver move up?
 
Actual someonelse did this (noahproblem) but here's what it would have meant in 2003...

Unofficialy, here's how the final top 10 would have been for 2003:

1) Johnson 6609 (actual finish 2nd)
2) J. Gordon 6549 (-60 behind leader, actual finish 4th)
3) Newman 6496 (-113, 6th)
4) Earnhardt Jr. 6419 (-190, 3rd)
5) Harvick 6387 (-222, 5th)
6) Kenseth 6208 (-401, 1st)
7) B Labonte 6189 (-420, 8th)
8) T Labonte 6090 (-519, 10th)
9) Busch 5965 (-644, 11th)
10) Waltrip 5865 (-744, 15th)

Going into the last race at Homestead, Newman would have had a 5 point lead over Johnson for the championship.
 
NASCAR is racing -- not wrestling, the NFL or major league baseball -- and racing is about getting to the checkered flag before the next guy. So instead of "tweaking" the points system, Brian Freedom Fries concocted something so bizarre that 72 percent of the season is cast aside so that an arbitrary number of drivers can go fast and turn left in 10 races at tracks that average 1.365 miles.

I'm calling bullsh*t -- and NASCAR can ante up to see if fans are bluffing.

-B. Duane Cross (SI)
 
I'm not liking the 5 point differential, I thought it would be at least 20.
 
Originally posted by TonyB@Jan 20 2004, 09:32 PM
Actual someonelse did this (noahproblem) but here's what it would have meant in 2003...

Unofficialy, here's how the final top 10 would have been for 2003:

1) Johnson 6609 (actual finish 2nd)
2) J. Gordon 6549 (-60 behind leader, actual finish 4th)
3) Newman 6496 (-113, 6th)
4) Earnhardt Jr. 6419 (-190, 3rd)
5) Harvick 6387 (-222, 5th)
6) Kenseth 6208 (-401, 1st)
7) B Labonte 6189 (-420, 8th)
8) T Labonte 6090 (-519, 10th)
9) Busch 5965 (-644, 11th)
10) Waltrip 5865 (-744, 15th)

Going into the last race at Homestead, Newman would have had a 5 point lead over Johnson for the championship.
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By useing this line up What if and I said WHAT IF. Stewart was only 10 points behind Waltrip and won the 27th race and had a couple of top 5s. He should be able to move into the top 10 and be recongnized at the Waldorf. But not so. Nascar says Stewart go screw yourself. It just dont seem like a good way to keep fans. :angry:
 
Originally posted by TonyB@Jan 20 2004, 04:32 PM
Actual someonelse did this (noahproblem) but here's what it would have meant in 2003...

Unofficialy, here's how the final top 10 would have been for 2003:

1) Johnson 6609 (actual finish 2nd)
2) J. Gordon 6549 (-60 behind leader, actual finish 4th)
3) Newman 6496 (-113, 6th)
4) Earnhardt Jr. 6419 (-190, 3rd)
5) Harvick 6387 (-222, 5th)
6) Kenseth 6208 (-401, 1st)
7) B Labonte 6189 (-420, 8th)
8) T Labonte 6090 (-519, 10th)
9) Busch 5965 (-644, 11th)
10) Waltrip 5865 (-744, 15th)

Going into the last race at Homestead, Newman would have had a 5 point lead over Johnson for the championship.
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I doubt VERY MUCH that is the way the points would have been. if the new points systen was in effect Drivers would have been racing differentlty than they were. (I know I'ts a what if thing and you are just making a generalization, but it still drives me crazy) :p
 
Nascarfan48, is this you ?-B. Duane Cross (SI) Just curious cause I've really enjoyed the pieces I've seen on TV by her.
 
I kind of like the new points system as I have said before.

The only real problems I have with what was laid out today are...

1. Winning a race should be a 10-20 point bonus in my opinion

2. A 5 point lead is not enough of a reward for being in first place after 26 races.

3. I too think the tracks used to determine the championship should be more varied. A road course, a short track or two and no restrictor plate "race". ;)
 
Originally posted by 4xchampncountin@Jan 20 2004, 07:20 PM
I kind of like the new points system as I have said before.

The only real problems I have with what was laid out today are...

1. Winning a race should be a 10-20 point bonus in my opinion

2. A 5 point lead is not enough of a reward for being in first place after 26 races.

3. I too think the tracks used to determine the championship should be more varied. A road course, a short track or two and no restrictor plate "race". ;)
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No RP race?Michael Waltrip and Dale Earnhardt Jr. would have real tough going without an RP race in the play-offs :lol: j/k :D

I wouldn't mind one RP race as it takes a different type of skill,but there should be a road course in those final 10 races IMHO ;)
 
Well I have stated my case about the play off system. I don't like it. I think it stinks. But there is nothing i can do about it. So prosecution rest. :lol:
 
I wonder how many people that hate this system will change their mind if their driver wins with it?
 
What i want to know is how many drivers are in favor of this ....if any? Does anyone know of any polls regarding this? IMO this just encourages more riding around for Top 5s and Top 10s....how does this increase competition? I just don't see it, maybe i'm blind to change, but give me the old system any day with a few minor tweaks. <_<
 
I'm not liking the 5 point differential, I thought it would be at least 20.
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thats stupid, only 5 points, why any points then 5 is one position in a race, or 2 depending where you finish, winner should get 25 more
 
Originally posted by Parkfan@Jan 20 2004, 08:30 PM
I wonder how many people that hate this system will change their mind if their driver wins with it?
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That's what I'm saying... when their driver wins the Cup, they'll love it.
 
If my driver wins the Cup, yes I will be thrilled. However that will not make me like this system. It'll just show me the he and his team worked hard to do the best they could with the rediculas system NASCAR has put in place. :wacko:
 
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