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Mopardh9

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Nascar is going through some tough times as are the rest of the Nation. What are some of the issues that need to be addressed this season to make this sport stay strong?

Personally I think that lowering ticket prices across the board on all races, on all seats will help. The lowering of already cheap seats that are not attractive in the first place will not get the casual fan to come back. Another change I think needs to be a re-vamp of the chase format, possibly changing the points structure, something...to me it has been boring. The car itself needs tweeking , the teams should be able to make more adjustments, especially to the suspensions, leave the engines alone, maybe allow them more freedom with gearing / transmission packages. The airodynamics package they have for this car leave a lot to be desired also, let the teams play with the downforce by tweaking the front air damn and rear spoiler angle. Give them something to work with, racing in my Opinion, has gone down hill the last 2-3 years. What's your opinion?
 
reduce seat costs

cancel all exclusivity contracts...or most of them

Leave displacement at 355 cubic inches, but limit rockers to 1.6 roller rockers and blocks, heads, all moving components must be steel, and compression ratio can't exceed 10:1 (if not already)

get rid of the gear rules, but keep overdrive unallowed

Make the tires an inch wider

Allow more freedom with splitter and wing

same chassis has to be used for 12 races (3 chassis a year if no wrecks?) unless crashed
 
Don't know what you can do with the price of a ticket, even though there aren't as many sell-outs, the stands are still pretty full and so I'm not sure many of the track owners are willing to change much other than those cheap seats. As for the points and the chase, my opinion is that there is too much emphasis put on the series championship that has caused all of this. As an old time race fan, I have always paid more attention to the winner of any race than the series championship, but I do understand how much that means to a driver and team owner. I've seen more points racing from great teams over the years to make me puke, but such is the name of the game. If they would give the winner of the race 50 more points, I do believe you'd see a lot different racing, especially at the end. I don't mind them separating the top ten for a chase at the end, forget the top 12, but giving a difference of an extra 50 points for a win and maybe even 25 for second, would make for a much better ending. You'd see some real racing for the win instead of a good points finish.
 
buckaroo said:
Don't know what you can do with the price of a ticket, even though there aren't as many sell-outs, the stands are still pretty full and so I'm not sure many of the track owners are willing to change much other than those cheap seats. As for the points and the chase, my opinion is that there is too much emphasis put on the series championship that has caused all of this. As an old time race fan, I have always paid more attention to the winner of any race than the series championship, but I do understand how much that means to a driver and team owner. I've seen more points racing from great teams over the years to make me puke, but such is the name of the game. If they would give the winner of the race 50 more points, I do believe you'd see a lot different racing, especially at the end. I don't mind them separating the top ten for a chase at the end, forget the top 12, but giving a difference of an extra 50 points for a win and maybe even 25 for second, would make for a much better ending. You'd see some real racing for the win instead of a good points finish.
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true that
 
Buck I would agree on the more points for the win, I too can't take the racing just to get points. As a fan for almost 45 years, I like to see an exciting finish with 2 to possibly 4 or 5 cars battling for the win and down the line. To me that is racing, not this follow the leader crap that makes me end up watching something else, then channeling back every 15 minutes or so to see where my guy is. The racing has become generic, it is stale, for me at least, the best racing was back in the late 80s right on through to about 2002 -2004, some where in that area. I couldn't wait for next weeks' race, couldn't wait to see how my driver would fair up against his arch rival or see if he could recover from a bad showing the previous week. Now I am indifferent half the time, I want that excitement back, that enthusiasm for Cup level racing. I get that when I go to my local tracks here in New England, but very seldom do I feel that way when I'm watching a Cup race these days. Bottom line is that we need better racing, which means changing the rules on the cars to get that, whether it be tires, chasis, points, or aero. I think Nascar would be better if some combination of those were enacted.
 
The cheap seats are the only ones that have been reduced that I have seen. That will have to change at some places. Atlanta still has plenty of good seats neat the S/F line. The best way to sell them is to lower the prices.
 
get us back to wedge style cars and something that these teams can actually work on. I don't believe that argument that big teams have the advantages with wedge cars. If its more open then small teams can play as well and find ways to gain advantages to compete. And i believe the last two seasons have killed the argument that wedge cars give a bigger team an advantage. Looks who is still winning under the new system.
 
basscatcher89 said:
get us back to wedge style cars and something that these teams can actually work on. I don't believe that argument that big teams have the advantages with wedge cars. If its more open then small teams can play as well and find ways to gain advantages to compete. And i believe the last two seasons have killed the argument that wedge cars give a bigger team an advantage. Looks who is still winning under the new system.
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I agree, but I think it can be adapted into the CoT. I fear if we make the point curve steaper for the top 5, the big teams will just get more aggressive with testing, and all the crew cheifs will go chad knaus style and play outside the lines to keep up. There really isn't a whole lot that can actually weaken the big teams. I mean, if we REALLY want to contain costs, we can make them have to run factory crate motors from their respective mfgr's. Of course this would force toyota to fit the iForce V8 into a car. THEN you'd have the (fugly) camaro, challenger, mustang, and whatever toyota could cram the iForce into. In other words...go back to the 70's and have real stock cars, but with the CoT chassis/body.
 
Magnethead said:
I agree, but I think it can be adapted into the CoT. I fear if we make the point curve steaper for the top 5, the big teams will just get more aggressive with testing, and all the crew cheifs will go chad knaus style and play outside the lines to keep up. There really isn't a whole lot that can actually weaken the big teams. I mean, if we REALLY want to contain costs, we can make them have to run factory crate motors from their respective mfgr's. Of course this would force toyota to fit the iForce V8 into a car. THEN you'd have the (fugly) camaro, challenger, mustang, and whatever toyota could cram the iForce into. In other words...go back to the 70's and have real stock cars, but with the CoT chassis/body.
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That would be interesting , but will never happen, all the money the teams and Nascar spent on the COT would pretty much be down the drain and they would have to start from scratch again. Crate motors aren't the answer, allowing the teams , more lee-way, more adjustment, will make racing more exciting. Especially if the adjustments come in the form of aero and or suspension.
 
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