NASCAR puts Todd Bodine on probation for 'careless driving'

Originally posted by kat2220
Sorry Todd fans, but about damn time!

I think I have to agree with this one. Impatience can get the better of a person without them realizing it.
 
Even though I think has a great deal of talent, I have to agree that his driving has gotten more careless this season. Unfortunately this probation is going to put him even more under the spot light, but if that's what has to be done, then so be it.
 
I don't know if it is careless driving. So he went three ride on the track and went a little to low. It's not like there is never 3 wide at Lowe's. So he just went a little low, it's a split second decision that should not warrant probation in my opinion.
 
Ciggie, that was more than a little low on the track. The entire tire (front & back) were in the grass which was rain soaked. Yes, these drivers make split second decisions, but just as easily could have use the brake pedal to stay off of Ward's rearend. I don't think nascar based the probation on just last Sunday's race. I have watched several races this year where he has made some really bad driving decisions that he shouldn't have made. Just my opinion.
 
This ought to start a campaign of debate,It looks to me like they should have black flaged him,or penalized at the time of the error.Nascar has opened another can of worms in my opinion.Looks like Wally way in the back has a new name.Wally way to low. :D
 
I think Todd should be on probation.. but i think that nascar should have maybe waited another week to see if he improves by himself. now he will have a little voice in the back of his head saying "Will nascar like what i am about to do?"
 
Up next, Kevin Harvick? He's made some pretty bone-headed moves. For example at Chicago this year. He didn't hit anyone else but when he tried passing on the apron he spun himself out and I believe cars wrecked to avoid him. It was a little irritating to me that he went on to win the race on fuel mileage. He did it again at Kansas but didn't spin. How about last year at Talladega when he spun Bobby Hamilton for no reason at all and that caused a huge pile-up? Nothing against Harvick personally but I have a lot against his driving. My point: "Where is the consistency in this careless driving rule?" I agree with it but have mixed feelings about making Todd the example. Also, how are they going to make the difference between careless driving and just a racing incident. I know Todd has been in several wrecks lately but were they all his fault? I can't remember, did Robby Gordon get put on probation after Bristol's night race or was that just a pit road penalty when he spun Jimmie J. on the restart? Now there's another rough rider.
 
Originally posted by JG2018
Up next, Kevin Harvick?  He's made some pretty bone-headed moves.  For example at Chicago this year.  He didn't hit anyone else but when he tried passing on the apron he spun himself out and I believe cars wrecked to avoid him.  It was a little irritating to me that he went on to win the race on fuel mileage.  He did it again at Kansas but didn't spin.   How about last year at Talladega when he spun Bobby Hamilton for no reason at all and that caused a huge pile-up?  Nothing against Harvick personally but I have a lot against his driving.   My point: "Where is the consistency in this careless driving rule?"  I agree with it but have mixed feelings about making Todd the example.  Also, how are they going to make the difference between careless driving and just a racing incident.  I know Todd has been in several wrecks lately but were they all his fault?  I can't remember, did Robby Gordon get put on probation after Bristol's night race or was that just a pit road penalty when he spun Jimmie J. on the restart?  Now there's another rough rider.

I'm sorry, but you used a word in your post that has no place in any conversation relating to Nascar and it's rule making policies. Would you please refrain from using the word "consistency" when refering to Nascar. Since you are in fact a rookie I believe we can let it slip this time.... :):p :p
 
I'm sorry, but you used a word in your post that has no place in any conversation relating to Nascar and it's rule making policies. Would you please refrain from using the word "consistency" when refering to Nascar. Since you are in fact a rookie I believe we can let it slip this time....
Put them on probation milite.:p
 
I think while Nascar's at it, they should put Todd on probation for being ugly, too. Boy, wouldn't that open up a can of worms...!

I'm just joooooooking. :p

I don't think anyone is really that surprised by NASCAR's announcement about putting Todd on probation, so he better do what he needs to do before his name slips from the sport. He needs to do what Tony Stewart did and turn controversy into a win.
 
Hey I like the cueball look, you know I heard rumor that Michael was gonna get it done :p
 
Michael with a cueball head would just look scary. Nothing against people that are bald, but it just wouldn't look right on Michael.
 
I could see Michael naturally balding, that would be even better than going for the Bic look.
 
yeah, but then Michael would go on probation for scaring children.
 
Originally posted by JG2018
Up next, Kevin Harvick?  He's made some pretty bone-headed moves.  For example at Chicago this year.  He didn't hit anyone else but when he tried passing on the apron he spun himself out and I believe cars wrecked to avoid him.  It was a little irritating to me that he went on to win the race on fuel mileage.  He did it again at Kansas but didn't spin.   How about last year at Talladega when he spun Bobby Hamilton for no reason at all and that caused a huge pile-up?  Nothing against Harvick personally but I have a lot against his driving.   My point: "Where is the consistency in this careless driving rule?"  I agree with it but have mixed feelings about making Todd the example.  Also, how are they going to make the difference between careless driving and just a racing incident.  I know Todd has been in several wrecks lately but were they all his fault?  I can't remember, did Robby Gordon get put on probation after Bristol's night race or was that just a pit road penalty when he spun Jimmie J. on the restart?  Now there's another rough rider.

Last years spins and crashes are done with. He was penalized during that race at Martinsville, not Talladega. Chicago I don't think he did anything wrong. People behind him checked up and thats there fault. I am very proud of Harvick ever since Martinsville this year. He has stayed out of trouble and I think kinda silenced the bad critics. Trying to bring up Harvick is not going to excuse Bodine from wrecking every race and taking others out with him. I just wish that NASCAR had done it sooner.
 
Originally posted by Windsor377
OK...let's see this one applied evenly across the board.


Every bone headed move on the track would be cause for probation......gonna make for some real exciting racing from now on.:(
 
Is is just John Darby that defines "careless"?, that could be interesting. Do you know the man has never competed in any type of auto race. How can he possibly know what goes thru a drivers mind when they meet with a certain set of circumstances. Was Sterling Marlin careless when he used hand signals to a car in his blind spot when he intended to pit at the Winston. Was Rsuty careless when he failed to check up in time to avoid spinning Jarrett in the same race. "Careless driving" is just too broad to merit penalties. It is too difficult to determine intent or malice and I dont envy anyone in that position. They have opened a huge can of worms......where the heck is my fishpole when I need it!

Kel
 
Harvick's wake up call was when Nascar suspended him from a race. This probation should be a wake up call to Todd Bodine.
 
I'm just waiting for someone to bump someone this week and have NASCAR put them on probation.
 
Originally posted by rpmallen
Harvick's wake up call was when Nascar suspended him from a race. This probation should be a wake up call to Todd Bodine.

I don't even think this will help. He is just one of those drivers that has to wreck his car or others weekly or he will not sleep well at night.
 
Originally posted by DE Wrangler 2
Every bone headed move on the track would be cause for probation......gonna make for some real exciting racing from now on.:(

I wonder if they're all taking "charm school" lessons right now?
 
Nascar posse just needed someone to pick at is all.Sorry Todd it's your turn. ;)
 
Originally posted by pbunch
Nascar posse just needed someone to pick at is all.Sorry Todd it's your turn. ;)

Dateline: NASCAR.com, July, 2003

First time in the long history of NASCAR every driver in all three series are on probation for violating the rule enacted October of last year. The fear is now that any driver now driving could be suspended for their second infraction of the "Careless Driving" clause in the new NASCAR Rule Book. Mike Helton's comment: "Well, it sure puts a new twist on the Championship races this year."
 
Great so if anyone touches anyone this weekend it can be deemed careless and they are subject to penalty.
 
:D I don't think that Nascar will do anything about the bump and run or one driver nudgeing one out of the way. But Bodine is on probation because he has caused more than his share of wrecks. It's about time.
 
So did Harvick. Thats why he had to sit out of a race. The same thing needed to happen to Bodine.
 
I am glad that Nascar did something about Bodine, it was getting to the point where he was in a crash or spin-out almost every week. Todd has been driving very hard all the time and it was getting to be dangerous. They aren't making him sit out a race so he just needs to accept this as a warning and adjust his driving style.

I don't think Nacar would punish drivers for bumping and running because then everyone would be on probation, but in cases where it is obvious the driver is driving overaggressively something needs to be done. Nascar did something when they felt Harvick was being too aggressive and now have made the same kind of decision with Todd and I think it was the right move.
 
Todd has consistently torn up race cars this year, his own and those of his competitors. Maybe he will adjust the way he drives his car.
 
From what I understand NASCAR had some prodding into this decision from more than a couple of drivers and owners. Allegedly several folks presented themselves at the NASCAR trailer following the race to voice "concern" over Todd's driving.

It is also reported that NASCAR contacted several other drivers and owners on Monday to get their take on the deal, reviewed tapes of previous races and then made their decision.

Many drivers have found themselves on probation this year and in years past. It hardly spells disaster for a driver. If the reports of multiple and vociferous complaints from his fellow competitors are true, Todd has a more serious issue to face with them than with NASCAR's probation.
 
*laffin at all the people getting their panties bunched up over this*

This probation isn't solely because of Todd's display of poor decision-making at Charlotte, it's because of his bad driving over the course of the year.
 
If NASCAR is acting upon the requests of other drivers and owners then I would have to say that is pretty commendable. My concern was that they would take the "racing" out of racing and start handing out penalaties and put drivers on probation for any racing incident. Every driver makes a mistake (granted, some more than others) and most wrecks happen because someone made a mistake.
 
If it based off of driver's and owners than that is better than just them making a decision. Hopefully, this was the case, because then to me I can understand it more.
 
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