Nascar Really Needs To Quit With All Those BS Yellows

What, someone brushing the wall and continuing on isn't a reason to throw the yellow?

NASCAR's problem isn't the fake yellows: it's that the racing is really boring for long stretches of time.
 
Bucky Badger said:
Kyle was catching him at a good clip
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I saw Truex pulling away but if Kyle has run him down I woulda had no problem with it just hate through when Nascar throws these yelllows just to bunch the field up at the end.
 
I'm pretty sure we all have wanted a debris caution when our driver needs a lap back or is falling behind. Either ESPN or Fox at one time or another said if there is a debris caution we'll show the debris (in an attempt to keep NASCAR honest). But that doesn't seem to happen anymore. I'm not a fan of unnecessary cautions but a car brushing the wall often does drop something which would be a problem if a car runs over it at speed. I'd kinda like the broadcasters to show proof of debris.

Long green flag run tends to cause some fans to whine about boring racing or if they throw phantom cautions we whine about that, and if a caution isn't called and our favorite driver hits debris we will whine about that (we whine like drivers to a crew chief).
 
Zerkfitting said:
I'm pretty sure we all have wanted a debris caution when our driver needs a lap back or is falling behind. Either ESPN or Fox at one time or another said if there is a debris caution we'll show the debris (in an attempt to keep NASCAR honest). But that doesn't seem to happen anymore. I'm not a fan of unnecessary cautions but a car brushing the wall often does drop something which would be a problem if a car runs over it at speed. I'd kinda like the broadcasters to show proof of debris.

Long green flag run tends to cause some fans to whine about boring racing or if they throw phantom cautions we whine about that, and if a caution isn't called and our favorite driver hits debris we will whine about that (we whine like drivers to a crew chief).
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I don't have a problem with long green runs. I like to watch things play out. If guys have to make multiple green flag stops during a run, awesome. NASCAR, if you have to throw a faux caution flag to get the field back together and manufacture racing, why don't you just consider scheduling more races at shorter tracks? There were maybe two or three legit cautions all night.
 
FearThe29 said:
I saw Truex pulling away but if Kyle has run him down I woulda had no problem with it just hate through when Nascar throws these yelllows just to bunch the field up at the end.
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FACT: Kyle was catching the 56 at about 2tenths a lap just before the yellow came out
 
I think the outcome would have been the same, but I would have rather watched Kyle pass him under green on the track.
 
FearThe29 said:
it makes them look like WWE Trying to fix the outcome and it also cost Truex the race last night.
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I agree with this so much, throwing a caution just because someone brushed up against the wall was the weakest caution call I've ever seen.
 
I've always given NASCAR the benefit of the doubt with these phantom cautions because driver safety is paramount, but they lost all credibility in my mind at the fall Phoenix race last year when they let the cars slip and slide in oil and pile into each other without caution because they wanted to end the race after the Bowyer/Gordon brawl in the pits. Like somebody here said at the time, they'll throw a caution for a hot dog wrapper, but they won't stop the race when cars are wrecking on oil because race control wants to go home.
 
In a perfect world every fan's driver would qualify on the pole, lead the most laps and win the Cup Championship. The reality is that qualifying well doesn't necessarily guarantee a good finish, running well doesn't guarantee a win and whining doesn't change the outcome at all.
Unloading with a good set-up, keeping up with the changing racing surface, great pitstops and some good luck are all part of what it takes to get to Victory Lane.
 
KevinWI said:
I've always given NASCAR the benefit of the doubt with these phantom cautions because driver safety is paramount, but they lost all credibility in my mind at the fall Phoenix race last year when they let the cars slip and slide in oil and pile into each other without caution because they wanted to end the race after the Bowyer/Gordon brawl in the pits. Like somebody here said at the time, they'll throw a caution for a hot dog wrapper, but they won't stop the race when cars are wrecking on oil because race control wants to go home.
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If I ever think , for one second that Nascar would create an unnecessary caution , I will stop watching the racing . There would be no way to predict the outcome of such a thing and it would be unfair to each and every team and competitor . My advice to anyone who believes this crap is stop watching .
 
I didn't see the race last night, but I've personally thought they have been doing better with that issue. I mean, at Martinsville, I saw cars spinning and was sure they'd throw a caution, but they never did.
 
I think it would help if TV showed the debris more. I feel like people wouldn't be screaming phantom caution if they showed the debris more.
 
sloggie said:
What, someone brushing the wall and continuing on isn't a reason to throw the yellow?

NASCAR's problem isn't the fake yellows: it's that the racing is really boring for long stretches of time.
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but at least it's real, unlike the debris that brings out the cautions
 
ted@economy said:
If I ever think , for one second that Nascar would create an unnecessary caution , I will stop watching the racing . There would be no way to predict the outcome of such a thing and it would be unfair to each and every team and competitor . My advice to anyone who believes this crap is stop watching .
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thanks for the tip but we'd rather they stop the crap instead
 
ted@economy said:
If I ever think , for one second that Nascar would create an unnecessary caution , I will stop watching the racing . There would be no way to predict the outcome of such a thing and it would be unfair to each and every team and competitor . My advice to anyone who believes this crap is stop watching .
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HAHAHA!!! If that was the case we'd of all stopped watching years ago. They've been horrible with these "phantom cautions" again this year, especially yesterday. If NASCAR's spotters can't tell the difference between metal and duct tape, tire smoke and oil and think brake duct hoses 25ft below the apron is debris they need to find new jobs. It doesn't help the racing and there's no reason for it other then to appease the Bruton Smith crowd.
 
Fans and the media complained last year about a lack of cautions - even complained that cautions weren't thrown for "debris", oil on the track and when cars scraped the wall and kept on going. Damned if you do, damned if you're don't. If Truex had won, Kyle's bandwagon fans would be lighting up social media saying they didn't throw a caution to prevent Kyle from winning.
 
I'd say that it's better to be safe than sorry, but I guess others don't agree. Think of how hot the fans and drivers would be if a missed oil spot caused a 25 car pileup. Like Andy said...damned if you do, damned if you don't. That's one of those quotes/phrases that you learn just how true it actually is throughout your life.
 
Brent said:
I'd say that it's better to be safe than sorry, but I guess others don't agree. Think of how hot the fans and drivers would be if a missed oil spot caused a 25 car pileup.
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That's the thing, they don't throw the yellow when there's oil all over the track but the racing is "exciting" (Watkins Glen, Phoenix II last year).
 
Would Kyle have caught Truex? Probably. But because of what Nascar did, the race felt rigged. Though it did make the end more exciting.
 
Captain Coyfish said:
Would Kyle have caught Truex? Probably. But because of what Nascar did, the race felt rigged. Though it did make the end more exciting.
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Truex cheated... so who cares he didn't belong where he finished anyway. Kyle wouldn't have caught him though he had it in the bag. He definitely had the best car. Too bad it was too low for post race inspection and therefore IMO he didn't even deserve 2nd..or really any position that he passed anyone to get to lol. At least the Penske guys didn't race with the illegal parts and still had great finishes.
 
Captain Coyfish said:
You make it seem like he intentionally cheated...
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Well it doesn't really matter does it? His car was not to spec therefore IMO he does not deserve the finish he got... it doesn't matter if it was his fault or not. Anyone cheating doesn't deserve the finish they get because the speed they have in the car to get by the other drivers is illegal.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Well it doesn't really matter does it? His car was not to spec therefore IMO he does not deserve the finish he got... it doesn't matter if it was his fault or not. Anyone cheating doesn't deserve the finish they get because the speed they have in the car to get by the other drivers is illegal.
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If the car somehow had 20 more hp than fair enoughh, but this was 1/16th of a inch too low.
 
Captain Coyfish said:
If the car somehow had 20 more hp than fair enoughh, but this was 1/16th of a inch too low.
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Key word being too.. I'm just saying my opinion. I don't think they should take it from him. But I can't respect him for having such a good run knowing his car had an advantage.. even if its just 1/16 rules are rules for a reason and obviously if that 1/16 isn't allowed there's a reason for it.
 
stupid penalty. cars are on bump stops, the shocks on the front are only good for pushing the front of the car up to meet minimum height requirements. The rear might be the problem though. Keeping as much of the spoiler out of the air as possible is a big advantage. It's cheatin, a 1/16 is a lot. no telling how much squat it had at 200.
 
pjmolo said:
but at least it's real, unlike the debris that brings out the cautions
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I would argue it's not real when a caution is thrown when there is no danger. NASCAR is getting desperate in it's attempt to get people to pay attention, but they have become fat, bloated, and unable to make bold decisions that can reverse it's decline.
 
A shock locked in compressed mode on the front would allow the car to turn better (loose). Rebound helps the weight of car settle onto the rear wheels through the apex and get good bite off the corner. But if the car was handling good, you could use that to your advantage and get under a car on exit of corner and maybe get a better drive down the straight. But entering the next corner one lane down and under another car would be a testy task at the least.
 
sloggie said:
Texas earned it's lowest overnight TV rating ever. There is a strong disconnect between the hardcore fans and the TV viewers, that's for sure.
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There's more to it than the on track racing product provided to us....I for one have had my fill of the Waltrip Bros....I will be turning down the sound on the tv and listening on the radio.....NASCRAP needs to watch the change in viewership after FOX's 13 race pkg is over....Im sure it's not only me who's burned out on Dw & Mikey........
 
MELROSEMAFIA said:
There's more to it than the on track racing product provided to us....I for one have had my fill of the Waltrip Bros....I will be turning down the sound on the tv and listening on the radio.....NASCRAP needs to watch the change in viewership after FOX's 13 race pkg is over....Im sure it's not only me who's burned out on Dw & Mikey........
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I'm alright with the Brothers Waltrip, Darrell lets lots slip, but I love the way he owns what he said even when he knows he messed up. Mike well crap how much run is that,....... he funny :)

But I think the disconnect is more "what is good tv" and "what NASCAR and the teams want to do on TV" .

Things will change when we see a TV show like the Osbournes or Simmons reality shows. One of the drivers (the brave forward thinking one) is going to have to open his life up for a semi scripted at home reality show.
If you don't think this would work,.ask your self if you would watch it?

THE 48'rs

A look into the Johnson Family in their daily lives.

Plot of the week 1"Helping Genevieve understand what it's going to mean being the big sister"

Plot of the week 2 "Bring it up to Chad that it's time to stop the 3 am phone calls about a new idea"

Blah Blah Blah.................................but you know I would watch and then maybe even respect his accomplishments :)
 
I think that folks need to listen to the Nascar officials channel to get an idea what is discussed about debris before a caution flag is thown . (Sorry if this is offensive to some close minded fans) . Nascar has an obligation to drivers and fans to err on the side of caution and they take this seriously .(Sorry if this is offensive to some close minded fans.)If a fatality occurs and we think a caution flag should have been thrown earlier , some close minded fans will be singing a different tune.Please , if you are a close minded fan , and want to whine about phantom cautions , take it to the podium .Just one fans opinion,no offence.
 
Brian France influencing racing by manufacturing drama...interesting concept.
 
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