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Bruton says 2010 Cup race at Kentucky 'doubtful': Hours before the NASCAR Nationwide Series Meijer 300 was to go green at Kentucky Speedway, the big question to track owner Bruton Smith was whether there would be a Sprint Cup race at the track next year. Smith, chairman of Speedway Motorsports Inc., sounded as pessimistic that it would happen, and Smith is not known for being pessimistic. "I would like to say, 'Yes,' but I don't know," Smith said. "It's doubtful that we get it done. It would take a tremendous cooperation from NASCAR." NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston would not totally close the door on Kentucky's Cup chances for 2010, but indicated that it is doubtful. "As we've said, there can be no consideration of a Cup date for Kentucky while the litigation is pending," Poston said. "Having said that, the sanctioning process is currently under way." Once he gets a commitment to a Cup race, Smith said he would add about 50,000 seats to the track, which currently seats 69,000, as well as add additional roads to and from the facility. He would also move pit road closer to the grandstands - "You saw what I did in Vegas," Smith said.(Scene Daily)(6-14-2009) Comment here

That is too bad, as I thoroughly enjoy the racing at K.M.S. What a great race, and a really great crowd at Kentucky. The track provides far better racing than California, New Hampshire, Indy and Pocono combined. Please NASCAR, let the SPRINT cup guys put on a show up there in Horsepower country.
 
I'm beginning to think it'll never happen. NASCAR would rather have a bunch of races at boring ass tracks that can't sell most of their seats. :rolleyes:
 
I'd like to see Auto Club lose a race in favor of Kentucky. Same goes for Atlanta and Michigan. Not that I have a problem with those tracks, but they all have multiple races and can't sell out one.

Am I the only one here that would like to see more Road Courses added? Not too many more, though. I think 5 or 6 road courses on the schedule would be a good number. With only 2 most teams that don't have good road racing drivers will just try to skate through the race *cough* Junior *cough* rather than becoming better all-around drivers.

Plus there are a ton of tracks that could hold a fair number of people, and are in key racing markets. Sebring, Road America, Miller Motorsport Park, VIR, and New Jersey just to name a few.
 
Just as long as they leave the short tracks alone and The All-Star Race at Charlotte the rest can be where ever. The mile and a half tracks are all the same anyway.:beerbang:
 
tkj24 said:
Just as long as they leave the short tracks alone and The All-Star Race at Charlotte the rest can be where ever. The mile and a half tracks are all the same anyway.:beerbang:
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Agreed. Keep the short tracks, bring back North Wilkesboro!

No to the Road courses, yes to street courses. I always thought it would be neat for the Cupsters to hit the streets.
 
foehammer111 said:
Plus there are a ton of tracks that could hold a fair number of people, and are in key racing markets. Sebring, Road America, Miller Motorsport Park, VIR, and New Jersey just to name a few.
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New Jersey is prime real-estate for a Nationwide or Truck race for sure. 40 miles from Philly and Atlantic City. Racing in the daytime, and fun at night! :growl:
 
Two road course races is two to many. IMHO of course.
These are stock cars (alledgedly) that are meant to run ovals.

With factory support dwindling and sponsors cutting back I can almost bet RCR, JGR, Rousch, Hendrick etc would welcome not having to spend the $$$$ to build "specialty" cars that turn left and right for just 2 outings a year. Those guys can well afford it (but can they really?) but what about the smaller teams who don't have the same massive budgets?

Then there's the ringers, which is another subject all together.

There's always SCCA.
 
I wish California Speedway would get burned to the ground in a fire, and Texas Motor Speedway would get destroyed in a tornado. :mad:

Those two tracks are the reason we don't have races at North Wilkesboro and Rockingham.
 
SST55 said:
Two road course races is two to many. IMHO of course.
These are stock cars (alledgedly) that are meant to run ovals.

With factory support dwindling and sponsors cutting back I can almost bet RCR, JGR, Rousch, Hendrick etc would welcome not having to spend the $$$$ to build "specialty" cars that turn left and right for just 2 outings a year. Those guys can well afford it (but can they really?) but what about the smaller teams who don't have the same massive budgets?

Then there's the ringers, which is another subject all together.

There's always SCCA.
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How can you call yourself one of the best drivers in the world if you only turn left?


People want a street race? How's this? Race on the Crapital Beltway during rush hour... then they can call themselves the best drivers in the world. :growl:
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
I wish California Speedway would get burned to the ground in a fire, and Texas Motor Speedway would get destroyed in a tornado. :mad:

Those two tracks are the reason we don't have races at North Wilkesboro and Rockingham.
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10-4 Roger that Rubber Duckey, take Pocono and New Hampshire with it.
 
GREAT AMERICAN RACE FAN said:
10-4 Roger that Rubber Duckey, take Pocono and New Hampshire with it.
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Where are you going to race in the New England and New York markets?
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Pocono's fine as is. New Hampshire just needs about 20* of banking added.
 
GREAT AMERICAN RACE FAN said:
No to the Road courses, yes to street courses. I always thought it would be neat for the Cupsters to hit the streets.
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Funny that you mention that.

Before Chicagoland Speedway as built, one of the options NASCAR was considering was a street race in Downtown. Part of the purposed curcuit would take the drivers through Grant Park and along Lake Shore Drive. Instead they ended up building a cookie-cutter track in Joliet, one of the worst towns outside of Chicago.

I like street courses, and NASCAR at Long Beach would be awesome. The problem is that it's tough to fit 43 pit stalls plus garage space on a street course. Plus NASCAR doesn't like tracks that can't hold +50k fans. I'd like to see a exhibition race with 20 cars in Monaco. :D

As far as the arguement about road courses vs ovals, you can't call yourself a good driver without being able to do both. That's why it's so laughable that F1 drivers call themselves the greatest drivers in the world. Yet they race on courses that that rarely let them get above 150mph, and use cars that practicaly drive themselves.

F1 drivers would be scared out of their minds at a track like Daytona or Indy where they race at top speed the entire race just inches apart. The road courses are a nice break from the endless 1.5 mile cookie cutter tracks that infest the NASCAR schedule. That's why I want more. At the very least a road course should be included in the Chase.
 
I'd like to see one more road course and more short track races.

But what ive said for years is that i wish NASCAR would move the races around to more tracks and not have so many tracks with two dates.

Still say if ARCA can race on dirt, NASCAR can too. They pack the track pretty hard so its slick and almost like pavement.
 
Lap3Forever said:
I'd like to see one more road course and more short track races.

But what ive said for years is that i wish NASCAR would move the races around to more tracks and not have so many tracks with two dates.

Still say if ARCA can race on dirt, NASCAR can too. They pack the track pretty hard so its slick and almost like pavement.
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ARCA won't race on dirt unless the track is a mile or bigger and is flat (Springfield, Do Quoin). But they used to have races at Hagerstown and West Virginia.

Maybe they should run a NASCAR race at Pimlico! :growl::growl:

Edit to add: There's also a nice track at RFK Stadium that they can bring a race to... of course, the DC politicians will whine about it making too much noise :( and they can't get their work done
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(like we need more of their work done to us:rolleyes:)
 
Thanks TRL.

Well, since the only track within a decent driving distance to me is Watkins Glen, I'd love to see another race at that track. Too bad they don't use the boot though, like all the other cars do.

NY is not just NYC or even just Long Island. We have tons of beautiful farm country and we have A LOT of short tracks. There's a lot of places in this state they could build a big oval if they wanted. I can drive 15-40 min. in any direction but north, and be in farm country. North would be a problem since where I live, I'd end up IN Lake Ontario. LOL
 
WNY24Fan said:
Well, since the only track within a decent driving distance to me is Watkins Glen.
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You're lucky. I think this is one of the best tracks on the schedule, and needs to be part of the Chase.
 
I like street courses, and NASCAR at Long Beach would be awesome. The problem is that it's tough to fit 43 pit stalls plus garage space on a street course. Plus NASCAR doesn't like tracks that can't hold +50k fans. I'd like to see a exhibition race with 20 cars in Monaco.


Could you imagine the brake issues the teams would have in the hairpen turn at Monoco?
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
I wish California Speedway would get burned to the ground in a fire, and Texas Motor Speedway would get destroyed in a tornado. :mad:

Those two tracks are the reason we don't have races at North Wilkesboro and Rockingham.
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CA had a date for about 5 years before Rockingham ever lost a date.
Bruton and Bob Bahre (sp)? bought N. Wilkeboro together and each moved a date to their tracks, TMS & NH. Then Bruton bought Rockingham for $100,000,000 and moved the date to TMS.
And Rockingham lost its dates because it only had around 60,000 seats and hardly ever sold over 40,000.
Even on CA Speedways bad days it still sells over 80,000 , just doesn't reach the 109,000 that it did for 5 years prior to the stupidity of adding the 2nd date.
And TMS sells over 3 times what the Rock sold the last 10 years or so.

People can complain about NASCAR'S Greed all you want, but the fact of the matter is the drivers and team owners are doing great and have become multi millionaires. The purses are based off the income from the tracks and track sponsor dollars and these tracks just could not keep up with NASAR.
 
Eagle1 said:
CA had a date for about 5 years before Rockingham ever lost a date.
Bruton and Bob Bahre (sp)? bought N. Wilkeboro together and each moved a date to their tracks, TMS & NH. Then Bruton bought Rockingham for $100,000,000 and moved the date to TMS.
And Rockingham lost its dates because it only had around 60,000 seats and hardly ever sold over 40,000.
Even on CA Speedways bad days it still sells over 80,000 , just doesn't reach the 109,000 that it did for 5 years prior to the stupidity of adding the 2nd date.
And TMS sells over 3 times what the Rock sold the last 10 years or so.

People can complain about NASCAR'S Greed all you want, but the fact of the matter is the drivers and team owners are doing great and have become multi millionaires. The purses are based off the income from the tracks and track sponsor dollars and these tracks just could not keep up with NASAR.
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And this is why I prefer ARCA and USAR Pro Cup.

Atlanta and California both need to lose a race. Rockingham would still have at least 1 race if California and Texas both didn't get two races. North Wilkesboro might still be around if Texas wasn't built.

Say what you will about tracks not selling out -- I don't know where you're from but I'm assuming you're not from around here. So I'll put it simple... Rockingham also had two of the ****tiest weekends. February and November -- like it's not 40* those times of the year :sarcasm:

Rockingham was selling over 40,000 easily. If you look at the videotapes from even the late races there, you'll see a much higher percentage of stands full than you see at California, Michigan and Atlanta. :rolleyes: Tell ya what, I have the video of the last race run at The Rock before Andy saved it, wanna come to DC and watch it with me and count heads? :sarcasm:

I'm sure California's fans will flock to their seats in 110* heat or Texas' fans when it's 20* :sarcasm:

Bruton and NASCAR have done everything they can to keep Atlanta and California alive, moving dates and what not. Both those tracks need to have a date axed... and I'll say California's Spring race is stupid. Come off the excitement of the Daytona 500 and try to keep fans by having the most boring race in all of motorsports right behind it... brilliant. :sarcasm:
 
GREAT AMERICAN RACE FAN said:
Could you imagine the brake issues the teams would have in the hairpen turn at Monoco?
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I don't think that would be much of an issue. Monaco isn't a fast race even for F1 cars. Before the cars get to the hairpin, they have to make two 90 degree right turns going through casino square. The F1 cars can go fairly quick through there, but the CoT can't. Therefore, the cars wont be going very fast by the time they get to the hairpin, thus requiring less braking.

This could actually be a better race than the GP because the CoT can take a beating unlike the fragile F1 cars. In F1 this isn't a very good passing zone, but would be an excellent passing zone for NASCAR. A lot of drivers would try to out brake going into that corner, and bump the other car to the outside.
 
Martinsville is not a very fast track, and there is always brake issues there.

It won't ever happen, but I agree it would be exciting to see them race there. I also would like to see the Cupsters race at Laguna Seca.
 
You know Andy you can take your :sarcasm: attitude and your false idea of your superior knowledge to everyone else, and stick them right where you keep your head most of the time. Just because it's your opinion doesn't make it a fact.
As many others here have observed and tried polity pointing out many times, it's hard trying to have an intelligent conversation with a mental midget / you.

I have been to most all of the tracks on the east coast several times over the years and Rockingham was one of my favorites so yes I actualy have first hand knowledge of many of these tracks. So I really don't need you explaining things. :sarcasm:
 
Andy, when will you learn that there are posters here who know a hell of lot more about the tracks than you?

Rockingham is a lost cause --- live with it.

Wilksboro is a lost cause --- live with it.

Those of us who loved those 2 tracks have learned to live without them. It's NASCAR's sandbox, we just play in it.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Rockingham is a lost cause --- live with it.

Wilksboro is a lost cause --- live with it.

Those of us who loved those 2 tracks have learned to live without them. It's NASCAR's sandbox, we just play in it.
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I'll give you one thing -- at least the locals support Texas Motor Speedway and that track deserves two races (even if it is extremely boring).

But Atlanta and California? I can't believe NASCAR isn't willing to give Kentucky a chance after the dismal crowd at Atlanta. :rolleyes:

I think Kentucky should get one of Atlanta's dates and St. Louis (Gateway) should get one of California's dates.
 
There is one reason and one reason only why Kentucky isn't getting a date. And that's the lawsuit against NASCAR by the previous owners. If they'd drop it, KMS would be on the schedule.
 
I'd also like to see Portland International Raceway on the schedule.
 
MRM said:
There is one reason and one reason only why Kentucky isn't getting a date. And that's the lawsuit against NASCAR by the previous owners. If they'd drop it, KMS would be on the schedule.
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And I think I read that the previous owner was NOT going to drop the lawsuit.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
And I think I read that the previous owner was NOT going to drop the lawsuit.
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You know I hear Bruton talking about that and saying he was just a victim in the whole deal and I lmao. He had in the purchase agreement the option to NOT purchase the track if NASCAR wouldn't let him have a race date. He could have, and should have demanded that Jerry C. drop the suit or he wouldn't purchase and walk away. But no he let his greed see tha dollar signs IF he had a cup date, and bought it anyway. No the guy he paid millions to for the rack is holding him by gun point sticking him up possibly for years preventing him from doing what he intended out of pure spite with thee appeals. All he's doing is screwing over BS because it is an unwinable lawsuit based on the suit he filed. JMHO

I feel no sympathy for Bruton. lol
 
GREAT AMERICAN RACE FAN said:
Martinsville is not a very fast track, and there is always brake issues there.

It won't ever happen, but I agree it would be exciting to see them race there. I also would like to see the Cupsters race at Laguna Seca.
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OMG, I would love to see the first driver miss the corkscrew turn and go airborne!

Good point about Martinsville, though.
 
Bruton and the previous owner are supposedly good friends. I guess Bruton thought he could convince him to drop the suit and got fooled.
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
I'll give you one thing -- at least the locals support Texas Motor Speedway and that track deserves two races (even if it is extremely boring).

But Atlanta and California? I can't believe NASCAR isn't willing to give Kentucky a chance after the dismal crowd at Atlanta. :rolleyes:

I think Kentucky should get one of Atlanta's dates and St. Louis (Gateway) should get one of California's dates.
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I agree with these losing dates. Kentucky would be the best addition.

I am all in favor of them all losing the second race, adding Kentucky and maybe one other, and shorten the season. It has gotten too long, one reason I think people get disinterested in watching the races on T.V.
Make it short and sweet, and don't try to compete with the NFL in the fall.
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
I'll give you one thing -- at least the locals support Texas Motor Speedway and that track deserves two races (even if it is extremely boring).
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Make up your mind does it or doesn't it deserve 2 races.Any other time Texas shouldn't have 2 races or it needs to be wiped of the map.Now you say it deserves 2 races.:youliketh
 
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mike honcho said:
Make up your mind does it or doesn't it deserve 2 races.Any other time Texas shouldn't have 2 races or it needs to be wiped of the map.Now you say it deserves 2 races.:youliketh
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Last night he was wanting a tornado to blow it down to the ground. Andy you either have alzheimer's or some good drugs. LOL:D:p:D
 
mike honcho said:
Make up your mind does it or doesn't it deserve 2 races.Any other time Texas shouldn't have 2 races or it needs to be wiped of the map.Now you say it deserves 2 races.:youliketh
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Let it have two dates ... until it does get blown apart in a Tornado. :p

Then they can send a race to The Rock and Gateway.
 
mike honcho said:
Make up your mind does it or doesn't it deserve 2 races.Any other time Texas shouldn't have 2 races or it needs to be wiped of the map.Now you say it deserves 2 races.:youliketh
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Two races at Texas is OK but they need to move the fall date to not coincide with opening day of deer season.
 
Update

UPDATE - Kentucky to get Cup race in 2011?: Speedway Motorsports Inc. chairman Bruton Smith was hoping to get Kentucky on the schedule, likely taking a date away from Atlanta, but the former owners of the speedway refuse to drop their lawsuit against NASCAR. Until that happens, NASCAR won't consider Kentucky for a date. But otherwise, expect next year's schedule will be like this year's schedule -- except for two exceptions. If you were paying attention to Sunday's press conference in which Michigan International Speedway officials announced a reduction in ticket prices, you may have noticed a change in date for the track's first 2010 race. The date was June 13, a week earlier than normal. And there's another shift: The Dover race will move from the weekend after Memorial Day weekend to early May. These changes come because there is an extra weekend in between the Mother's Day race date at Darlington and the Memorial Day race at Lowe's Motor Speedway, and one less weekend between then and the Fourth of July weekend. (ESPN Insider)(8-22-2009)
 
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