NASCAR Wants Change at ESPN

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - The chiefs of U.S. hockey and stock car racing on Tuesday said they saw room for improvement at ESPN, the largest U.S. sports network, such as making programming slicker and giving better perks and time slots to smaller leagues.

NASCAR Chairman and Chief Executive Brian France told the Reuters Media Summit in New York that ESPN, owned by Walt Disney Co (DIS.N: Quote, Profile, Research), was in the midst of a learning curve in its new contract with U.S. stock car racing. He said fans have become more demanding and vocal than when the network last carried NASCAR in 2000.

ESPN, which broadcasts races along with sister network ABC, lost its contract with NASCAR in 2000 and renewed it in 2007, along with several other networks, in an eight-year deal valued at almost $4.5 billion in total.

http://www.reuters.com/article/MediaandCommunications07/idUSN2749418220071127
 
Interesting. I guess France is sending a subtle message.

I have to disagree with him the fans are more critical. I think it's a case of the fans are more savy and will not tolerate a bad product. Just give us the race and some useful information.
 
I have to disagree with him the fans are more critical. I think it's a case of the fans are more savy and will not tolerate a bad product. Just give us the race and some useful information.

I don't believe Brian France is going to take responsibility for much of anything, unless it's totally necessary.
 
Obviously Brian France can't make up his mind. Last week, the low ratings were Junior's fault. ROTFLMAO

I think the sentence at the bottom of the first page is the most telling ---"ESPN couldn't be reached for comment."
 
I personally believe nascar has gone down hill since Brian France took office.

I cant stand the chase....i cant stand a lot of the vanilla drivers.
 
I personally believe nascar has gone down hill since Brian France took office.

I cant stand the chase....i cant stand a lot of the vanilla drivers.

I'm not going to say anything, but keep an eye on ARCA. I have a *feeling* this series is going to explode. ;)
 
Interesting. I guess France is sending a subtle message.

I have to disagree with him the fans are more critical. I think it's a case of the fans are more savy and will not tolerate a bad product. Just give us the race and some useful information.

The Chase was great the last two years. It sucked this year.

NASCAR is like the NFL now.

NFL, there are two teams dominating everything, the Patriots and the Colts. If you're going to watch a game, you're stuck with a local team, the Patriots and the Colts.

NASCAR: Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon. Same thing.

NFL: I don't watch much football because all we get are NE, IND, the Redskins and the Steelers. Those are our 4 games each week.

I only like Washington because they're the only team I watch play every week. I can't see any of the Miami games. The ONE Jacksonville game I got to see, CBS (locally) cut off before the game winning touchdown. :mad:

There you go, I don't like the NFL because I have to have DirecTV and a $300 package to watch my favorite team.

NASCAR: Jimmie and Jeff won every race. It's boring as hell when the same guy somehow wins every race. It's even worse when NASCAR seemingly gives wins away.

On top of that, there's ESPN. One race, every time I tuned over to the race (Texas), they had a spit screen with Jimmie and Jeff. That's all they talked about all race long was Jimmie and Jeff even though Juan Pablo was leading. There wasn't any friggin' mention of why Harvick was in 20th after a 6th place starting spot, or something like that. There was no mention of JPM leading ... NOTHING! ESPN was the effing Jeff and Jimmie show.

Why should I watch the race? :idunno:

Brian should know this, people hate dynasties. The media, and only the media, likes dynasties (New England, Boston Red Sox, Jimmie Johnson). It's a story for them to pump up. Say what you want, NASCAR and ESPN WANTED Jimmie to win 5 straight so they could yap away about dynasty.

(yawn)

And, when a driver doesn't do anything to deserve a win, and just has it thrown at him because of a bull-s debris caution in the middle of pit stops, I don't like that either.

Furthermore, how many times this season did ESPN not know what was going on?

Remember when Robby threw something out the window. NBC confronted him about it. If there's controversey (or anything really), NBC covered it.

Did anybody watch Kansas, part 2 (ESPN2)?

They had NO CLUE what was going on. Between Rusty and Andy saying Tony was fine and he shouldn't be worried about the smoke on the tire (BTW, the tire exploded and he wrecked) and them not even mentioning the controversey at the finish.

That was a great (and historic) race. But ESPN2's coverage was downright AWFUL. Even after Jimmie mentioned that Clint should've won, they had no mention of it afterwards.

SPEED, on the other hand, was all over the controversey.

Guys, this was an all season thing with ESPN. They suck. They're awful. The producers know nothing about the sport. The pit road analysts (minus Allen) have no clue. Jamie Little is terrible. Suzy Kolber is punishment to us.

The Chase, COT, those are small factors.

EVERY editorial states ESPN as one of the three biggest problems in the sport right now. That's a huge problem.

NBC's falling apart, their ratings have tanked fast. Racing will never be on NBC again. They won't have football long. NBC won't be around much longer because Jeff Zucker ruined NBC, CNBC, MSNBC, USA and Sci-Fi. When everybody goes to cable in 2009, NBC's gone like a fart in the wind.

TNT, on the other hand, is the top rated cable network. Races being on ABC or TNT? In 2009, TNT will reach as many people as ABC (and we wouldn't have to worry about channels not covering the race at all).

What I'm saying is that NASCAR needs to say to ESPN: Shape up or we're going to TNT.

On the subject of cable: Daytona's on cable now. Indianapolis is on cable. All the road course races are on cable.

A product is unable to expand that way (until the 2009 standard). These are races that have been on ABC, CBS, FOX or NBC for a decade. Now, they're tossed to the back burner on ESPN and ESPN Classic. Not good.

If ESPN doesn't change, NASCAR should go to TNT (who'd put a lot in to NASCAR coverage). That's the bottom line.
 
I'm not going to say anything, but keep an eye on ARCA. I have a *feeling* this series is going to explode. ;)

Andy, I would love for this series to explode, but I don't think that it will happen, regardless of who is covering NASCAR. I've been a fan of ARCA racing for a long time and I've waited to watch those races, but they only come alive when NASCAR wants them to.

Let's face it, the only racing series that will be seen llive on TV is going to be the series that is paid the most money and at present, that's NASCAR's Cup series.

We, as fans want to see good racing on TV, whether it's NASCAR or whatever, but we want to watch racing in it's best. As advertised, that has to be the NASCAR Cup series, but in reality, those of us who are race fans, know that isn't true. What we know is that NASCAR's Cup series is the highest paying series and that is what gets the publiscity and air time. I can guarentee you that if ESPN showed nothing but the races at Bowman Gray Stadium here in Winston Salem, the fans would be clamoring for more and more articles about Burt and Tim...but wait, who the hell are Burt and Tim? Like any other local track around the nation, they are the two top[ dogs that rule the roost.

I've said it before, if the only teams that nation could see on TV playing football were the top high school teams, no one would have heard of OSU, OU, LSU or whatever. Gators! Who are they?

The point here is that it takes notorairty to make something. If you've never heard of ARCA, what will draw you to watch it?
 
that buck is why i wonder why NASCAR hasnt started to get on the guys that keep giving dirt racing a name on tv. All these drivers are on there talking about how they will be over racing in the late models or modifieds some where or they just bought a track. Isnt that giving another sport rivaling NASCAR notoriety. I wonder how many people heard about the prelude on PPV and got curious to watch it and saw those cars and got more interested in watching LateModels. I wonder if we will ever hear a driver get fined for talking about dirt racing on camera.
 
At this point, Dirt Racing isn't getting enough TV time to bother Nascar. But I really believe that Nascar's stock is going to tumble next year, then at that point they'll warn the drivers about getting the free advertisement(thats how they'll justify their actions) to the local tracks that they race.

Nascar has made a bed that they have to lay in for a while, even the novice fans are sick of change, sick of errent yellows and sick of BS by Nascar. You can't muzzle the drivers and make all the cars equal and expect anyone to want to watch it. JMO Duane
 
The Chase was great the last two years. It sucked this year.

NASCAR is like the NFL now.

NFL, there are two teams dominating everything, the Patriots and the Colts. If you're going to watch a game, you're stuck with a local team, the Patriots and the Colts.

NASCAR: Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon. Same thing.

NFL: I don't watch much football because all we get are NE, IND, the Redskins and the Steelers. Those are our 4 games each week.

I only like Washington because they're the only team I watch play every week. I can't see any of the Miami games. The ONE Jacksonville game I got to see, CBS (locally) cut off before the game winning touchdown. :mad:

There you go, I don't like the NFL because I have to have DirecTV and a $300 package to watch my favorite team.

NASCAR: Jimmie and Jeff won every race. It's boring as hell when the same guy somehow wins every race. It's even worse when NASCAR seemingly gives wins away.

On top of that, there's ESPN. One race, every time I tuned over to the race (Texas), they had a spit screen with Jimmie and Jeff. That's all they talked about all race long was Jimmie and Jeff even though Juan Pablo was leading. There wasn't any friggin' mention of why Harvick was in 20th after a 6th place starting spot, or something like that. There was no mention of JPM leading ... NOTHING! ESPN was the effing Jeff and Jimmie show.

Why should I watch the race? :idunno:

Brian should know this, people hate dynasties. The media, and only the media, likes dynasties (New England, Boston Red Sox, Jimmie Johnson). It's a story for them to pump up. Say what you want, NASCAR and ESPN WANTED Jimmie to win 5 straight so they could yap away about dynasty.

(yawn)

And, when a driver doesn't do anything to deserve a win, and just has it thrown at him because of a bull-s debris caution in the middle of pit stops, I don't like that either.

Furthermore, how many times this season did ESPN not know what was going on?

Remember when Robby threw something out the window. NBC confronted him about it. If there's controversey (or anything really), NBC covered it.

Did anybody watch Kansas, part 2 (ESPN2)?

They had NO CLUE what was going on. Between Rusty and Andy saying Tony was fine and he shouldn't be worried about the smoke on the tire (BTW, the tire exploded and he wrecked) and them not even mentioning the controversey at the finish.

That was a great (and historic) race. But ESPN2's coverage was downright AWFUL. Even after Jimmie mentioned that Clint should've won, they had no mention of it afterwards.

SPEED, on the other hand, was all over the controversey.

Guys, this was an all season thing with ESPN. They suck. They're awful. The producers know nothing about the sport. The pit road analysts (minus Allen) have no clue. Jamie Little is terrible. Suzy Kolber is punishment to us.

The Chase, COT, those are small factors.

EVERY editorial states ESPN as one of the three biggest problems in the sport right now. That's a huge problem.

NBC's falling apart, their ratings have tanked fast. Racing will never be on NBC again. They won't have football long. NBC won't be around much longer because Jeff Zucker ruined NBC, CNBC, MSNBC, USA and Sci-Fi. When everybody goes to cable in 2009, NBC's gone like a fart in the wind.

TNT, on the other hand, is the top rated cable network. Races being on ABC or TNT? In 2009, TNT will reach as many people as ABC (and we wouldn't have to worry about channels not covering the race at all).

What I'm saying is that NASCAR needs to say to ESPN: Shape up or we're going to TNT.

On the subject of cable: Daytona's on cable now. Indianapolis is on cable. All the road course races are on cable.

A product is unable to expand that way (until the 2009 standard). These are races that have been on ABC, CBS, FOX or NBC for a decade. Now, they're tossed to the back burner on ESPN and ESPN Classic. Not good.

If ESPN doesn't change, NASCAR should go to TNT (who'd put a lot in to NASCAR coverage). That's the bottom line.

I have to disagree with your statment about Dynasties. Viewers love that IMO, it gives them something to root against. Every week it gives them a chance to hope something goes wrong with the "dynasty". It is all cylical anyway. Back in the 80s and early 90s we had the Cowboys as Americas' team, now it is the Red Sox...so says the media. If you go to a game in a Park other than Fenway it is amazing how many fans wear Red Sox gear. Only place you won't see much is Yankee Stadium. Football now has the Patriots gearing for a 16-0 season and Miami a 0-16 record, i for one find that highly entertaining. The Jeff and Jimmie show will become the Kurt and Kyle show or The Kasey show and so on. Dynasties are very hard to achieve in any form of sports in this era. When they do happen i feel they are embraced even more today than 20 or 30 years ago. Just an opinion from a DH Patriot and Red Sox fanatic.:growl: ;)
 
I have to disagree with your statment about Dynasties. Viewers love that IMO, it gives them something to root against. Every week it gives them a chance to hope something goes wrong with the "dynasty". It is all cylical anyway. Back in the 80s and early 90s we had the Cowboys as Americas' team, now it is the Red Sox...so says the media. If you go to a game in a Park other than Fenway it is amazing how many fans wear Red Sox gear. Only place you won't see much is Yankee Stadium. Football now has the Patriots gearing for a 16-0 season and Miami a 0-16 record, i for one find that highly entertaining. The Jeff and Jimmie show will become the Kurt and Kyle show or The Kasey show and so on. Dynasties are very hard to achieve in any form of sports in this era. When they do happen i feel they are embraced even more today than 20 or 30 years ago. Just an opinion from a DH Patriot and Red Sox fanatic.:growl: ;)

Your opinion is skewed. Your bias is getting in the way of judgement.

You know how many people here are sick of the same games every week. :eek:
 
We, as fans want to see good racing on TV, whether it's NASCAR or whatever, but we want to watch racing in it's best.

I thought Nascar said the fans only want to see Lil'E do good and that was why their ratings was down.
And, if I'm to read anything on here then it's Jeff that the fans want to see.
Me, I'm just watching to see if the aliens will release the real Rusty Wallace and take back the pea pod they left in his place...
 
NFL ratings are down this year, so that should give NASCAR something for their arguement. But CBS' ratings, showing mostly Patriots games, are up this year. So one could say fans do like dynasties as long as there is some hate there. No one likes seeing Jimmie Johnson win all the time, but he doesn't run his mouth or get into altercations on a regular basis. So that hatred isn't there, just a dislike for seeing his face in victory lane all the time.
 
NFL ratings are down this year, so that should give NASCAR something for their arguement. But CBS' ratings, showing mostly Patriots games, are up this year. So one could say fans do like dynasties as long as there is some hate there. No one likes seeing Jimmie Johnson win all the time, but he doesn't run his mouth or get into altercations on a regular basis. So that hatred isn't there, just a dislike for seeing his face in victory lane all the time.

CBS also airs the Patriots games in EVERY market.

Like I said, we get the same 4 games: Redskins, Steelers (who are going to be slaughtered by Jacksonville :bounce:), Patriots, whatever the NBC and ESPN games are.
 
I thought Nascar said the fans only want to see Lil'E do good and that was why their ratings was down.
And, if I'm to read anything on here then it's Jeff that the fans want to see.
Me, I'm just watching to see if the aliens will release the real Rusty Wallace and take back the pea pod they left in his place...
:XXROFL:

Like I said, I've been watching a lot of Redskins Football this year.

I hope NASCAR offers a better product with this COT next year. Loudon was as awful as 2000.

The Dover and Bristol races were really exciting though.
 
CBS also airs the Patriots games in EVERY market.

Like I said, we get the same 4 games: Redskins, Steelers (who are going to be slaughtered by Jacksonville :bounce:), Patriots, whatever the NBC and ESPN games are.


Where are you located at?
 
He's in Waldorf Maryland, a bedroom community for Washington DC. And knowing that Andy lives there I'm sure you now understand why it's nickname is beantown...

I wish I could've been around to see Southern Maryland in the 1960s.

It's not the same anymore. All that exsists now is a mere memory. Waldorf is the third largest "city" in Maryland. There are strip malls everywhere. Now, a baseball stadium.

I love it here, quite honestly. Once you get out of Waldorf and out of La Plata city limits, it's a different place. Southern Maryland is rich in tradition.

If this were any other town, the remains of Aquasco Speedway would've been torn down and turned in to another shopping outlet. Marlboro Motor Raceway would just be a parking lot, with a McDonald's and an Arby's.

Unfortanently, Waldorf and La Plata have changed. Overall, Southern Maryland has not.

Plus, Extreme Southern Maryland is still very conservative.
 
After reading through this thread for the first time, it's clear to me what's skewed here and it's not Mopardh9.

But like everyone else, that's just my opinion.

Also, I avoid the political threads -for obvious reasons - but find that hard to do when it's brought into the Nascar Chat threads.
 
Thanks Patrick. I like to avoid that kind of discussion myself.
 
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