NASCAR's most underrated drivers.

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  1. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Watching Greg Biffle in this truck race running second inspired me to make this thread. This guy is easily one of the most underrated drivers in history.

    Who else?
     
  2. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    Chris Buescher, Ryan Newman, Ross Chastain, Timmy Hill, Landon Cassill, Jordan Anderson, Bayley Currey
     
  3. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    Kyle Busch
     
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  4. Madman88

    Madman88 Crew Chief

    I don't think underrated means what you think it means. Biffle drove for a top tier organization (Roush) for a number of years with a top tier sponsor (3M) during a time when his teammate(Kenseth) won the title and others were in the hunt other years(Biffle and Edwards depending on the year)

    His ultimate lack of a championship(Cup) and more wins is the reason he isn't rated higher.
     
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  5. Madman88

    Madman88 Crew Chief

    He does have the distinction of being the only one ever called a bug eyed dummy on national TV that I am aware of though ;)
     
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  6. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Biffle was driving the fastest truck in the series with the best crew chief. Granted Biffle was rusty, driving a strange piece, but he won the race. I think that would make him a highly rated driver.
     
  7. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Underrated?

    Hut Stricklin, David Reutimann, Todd Bodine off the top of my head.
     
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  8. ToyYoda

    ToyYoda Team Owner

    I always thought Joe Nemechek was a little underrated. He was actually a pretty decent driver when he wasn’t driving his own junk.
     
  9. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    I think this is closer to accurate. He likely would have won more races if Roush had remained a top-tier organization from 2012-2016, but how many more? If he finishes with 24 Cup wins rather than 19, does that change his career assessment that much?

    He's a wheelman and fun to watch, but I'm not sure who would be typically ranked ahead of him who is actually not as good.
     
  10. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    I don’t feel that Roush was ever “top tier.”
    They were always a step behind.
    The drivers that had success at Roush did so out of personal skill and determination.
    JMO.
     
  11. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    I don't know. There was a time when they had a clear organizational advantage on intermediates, back in the early Roush / Yates days. NASCAR made the four-car rule largely to contain Jack from running 6, 7, 8 of them out there.
     
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  12. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    Jack micromanaged himself out of many wins.
     
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  13. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    That he did.
     
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  14. Revman

    Revman Stop asking me about the package!

    Martin Truex Jr. All damn day.
     
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  15. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    Kurt Busch
     
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  16. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Roush was a victim of their own circumstances. Jack wanted a sh!t ton of money for sponsorship, remember when Kurt Busch during his championship season was unsponsored? Carl Edwards was as well when he started in Cup for Roush.

    They had up to five cars at one point. Jack micro-managed everything and had his crew along with Jimmy Fenig for years. Jack became successful in his own way and Mark Martin was the generational talent to carry the banner for years. Jack didn't keep up with the times and fell behind the curb when the Gen 6 came about. Post 2014, Roush was riding in the mid-field on a weekly basis.

    He's like the Frank Williams/Patrick Head (w/ Fenig) of NASCAR. Hot-headed, stubborn, and it was his way or gtfo of the way type of deal.
     
  17. ToyYoda

    ToyYoda Team Owner

    I can see that. He’s been a bit overshadowed by Kyle, but a championship and 30 Cup wins including a Daytona 500 is a pretty impressive career in itself.
     
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  18. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Underappreciated, not really underrated. Folks just started to warm up to Kurt again since his issues.

    Everyone knows Kurt is incredible in his own right.
     
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  19. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    And it doesn’t matter what you put him in. He’s going to get everything out of a car, every time.
     
  20. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    Not everyone. SHR let him go for Daniel Suarez’ sponsor money.
     
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  21. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I don't think Kurt's personality jived over at SHR. He found himself driving for some iffy teams because of his personality, but his driving talent was hard to deny. So far it looks like a good fit with Ganassi.
     
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  22. DaBiff1618

    DaBiff1618 Team Owner

    Under appreciated: Greg Biffle, Kurt Busch, Ricky Rudd

    Underrated: Marcos Ambrose, Ricky Stenhouse, Chris Buescher, Dave Blaney
     
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  23. hidesert cowboy

    hidesert cowboy Team Owner

    you must have started watching after '05, I don't think biffle was underrated. I don't think he ever won on a short track. don't get me wrong I thought it was cool seeing biffle win tonight. but hey as kyle said today can't get it done in a KBM truck, you suck basically. underrated, I am going to go with robby gordon.
     
  24. BobbyFord

    BobbyFord Resident Gearhead Contributor

    I started watching in the late 60s
     
  25. sky

    sky Zombie Zoom LLC

    Hut Stricklin, Chad Little, Bobby Hillin Jr, Lake Speed
     
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  26. dirtfan

    dirtfan Team Owner

    As a long-time Roush fan, I completely agree
     
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  27. Truex_rox

    Truex_rox 19 looks better than ever.

    Underappreciated: Kurt Busch, Ricky Rudd, Bobby Isaac, Billy Wade

    Underrated: Chris Buescher, Matt DiBenedetto, Michael McDowell, Dick Brooks, Ernie Irvan, Dick Hutcherson
     
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  28. JohnHill

    JohnHill Rusty Wallace & Terry Labonte Rule!

    Someone else threw it out there as well, but I’ve thought about this over the years...

    I’m highly impressed with what Ricky Rudd did in his career. I honestly think his name should be dropped around a lot more.

    I give him credit for pulling off the ‘gutsy-ist’ Drive in my opinion... when he did what he does and roughed out that hot afternoon in martinsville to win that race after they splashed him with hot water in the pits too... dude was getting oxygen in victory lane! That’s a moment right there.

    Also, didn’t he tape his eye lids open, to run a race... after he got banged up in a wreck?!
     
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  29. 2 Sweet

    2 Sweet Legend

    Ricky Rudd and Ernie Irvan were both very underrated.

    Rick Mast was underrated, and IMO one of the best drivers to never win a Cup race.

    Chris Buescher is currently the most underrated driver in NASCAR.
     
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  30. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Taking a 10-200

    Underrated Kasey Kahne
     
  31. be9ak7ts16

    be9ak7ts16 Hick

    Mark Martin and Ernie Ervin.
     
  32. 2 Sweet

    2 Sweet Legend

    I know we can play the "what could have been" game all day long, but if Ernie doesn't wreck at Michigan in '94, he had a good shot at the championship that year. If it weren't for the injuries, maybe he wins a couple of titles in the 28 car. If Rudd doesn't leave Hendrick in '94 to start his own team, I think he could have won a championship too. The 5 team won the title a couple years later with Terry.

    And as far as owner/drivers go, Rudd was one of the most successful. He deserves a lot of credit for that.
     
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  33. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

    Clear winner here
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  34. Switchback

    Switchback Team Owner

    I'm not sure if underrated is right but Steve park was very good before the Darlington. wreck

    Rom Hornady was so good in the trucks at twice the age of a lot of his competition. I would like to know what he could have done in a quality cup ride in his prime years.
     
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  35. Greg

    Greg 2014 RF YAHOO CHAMP Your leader

    Ward Burton aka Wad Burton
     
  36. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    He was amazing for Bill Davis, I would have liked to see Ward drive for a bigger team.

    @Switchback I also agree about Steve, injuries really did him in. Another guy was Jerry Nedeau before that awful accident had a lot of promise.
     
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  37. Steve Park
    David Reutimann
    James Buescher
    Ricky Stenhouse
    Bobby Hamilton
     
  38. REBS31

    REBS31 LASTCAR Specialist

    I’ve been waiting for someone to appreciate me
     
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  39. Greg

    Greg 2014 RF YAHOO CHAMP Your leader

    John Doe. For all the unknowns that never got a decent ride. I am not blaming anyone, it is the nature of the beast. Racing like a lot things in life will never be fair.

    @KenBurns this here is a good quote to use for whenever you do a racing documentary
     
  40. Madman88

    Madman88 Crew Chief

    The team won back to back Championships in what is now the Monster Energy Cup Series in 2003 and 2004, kurt bush and Matt.k.

    Roush Racing set a NASCAR record by putting all five of its race teams in the Chase
    for the Nextel Cup in 2005

    Biffle drive for Roush from 2003 - 2016, they were most definitely top tier during Biff's early tenure.
     
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