NASCAR's "Overtime"

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the current overtime rules were put in place after dega 2015 when Harvick wrecked the field, IIRC.

The overtime line is a mornic system. It ruined the finish to a great race today. Id prefer we go back to the GWC with unlimited attempts but change it to 5 laps instead of 2.

Any other ideas that will fall on deaf ears?
 
If the yellow waves before the white, 3 lap shootout to finish the race, unlimited attempts. Fuggit
 
Simple Fan said:
Always thought that the overtime line shouldn't come into effect until after the white flag flies. Every race should end under green flag racing though in my opinion.
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that would be a heck of a lot better than it is now.
 
who's to say what is right or wrong. they could change the rule all they want, sometimes it not going to do/ work the way they thought it would.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
the current overtime rules were put in place after dega 2015 when Harvick wrecked the field, IIRC.

The overtime line is a mornic system. It ruined the finish to a great race today. Id prefer we go back to the GWC with unlimited attempts but change it to 5 laps instead of 2.

Any other ideas that will fall on deaf ears?
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Everyone forgets why Harvick wrecked the field too. NASCAR said one GWC, then there was a wreck and Harvick had a sour engine. Then they changed the rules in the middle of the race after changing them before the race. Only reason I defend Harvick. If NASCAR would've stripped him of his Chase berth, they would've looked so bad.

The overtime line is a dramatic overreaction to all that.
 
I would have liked this overtime setup somewhere about 5 or 6 years ago... but this OT setup does not work well with "the NASCAR" that NASCAR is going for right now... They want drama and crazieness, so when they rolled the field to the yellow checkers it stands out like a sore thumb here in 2017.
 
But I thought the unlimited attempts pissed off fans because there were a bunch of torn up cars after the race was over? I'd prefer the race to end under green, but I'd think three attempts should be enough. Get rid of the overtime line if the yellow comes out before the leader gets the checkered flag, bunch them up and do it again, but only give them three attempts.
 
How about anytime the leader crosses the start\finish line the lap counts. On the restart they throw the green, if there is a crash the lap counts. Line them up one more time. This time they get the green and white, if there is a crash, throw the yellow, freeze the field, the race is over. I don't want to see guys running out of gas on the third restart. I don't want to see them finish under yellow either, but they shouldn't have to go an extra 10 to 15 miles to complete a race.
 
Brentford said:
But I thought the unlimited attempts pissed off fans because there were a bunch of torn up cars after the race was over?
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It didn't. NASCAR did away with unlimited attempts because of one wacky Truck race over 10 years ago. As for wrecked cars during the three attempts thing ... all this stuff goes back to restrictor plate racing. They changed the rule before a restrictor plate race, then changed it during a restrictor plate race, then everyone got mad about wrecked cars and the racing ending under caution, so they changed it again.

All this stuff keeps happening because of two racetracks.
 
(the following is all just my opinion)
Screw green white checkers, period.
Aside from rain shortened finishes, the race shoud be the exact number of laps as originally prescribed. Screw the last laps roulette.
Larson got ****ted out of the race due to the GWC rule, and the speedy dry crapping his tires, not so much the O.T line.

It could be argued that lane choice was a miss for Larson, but still the same the speedy dry was a factor imo.
 
Greg said:
(the following is all just my opinion)
Screw green white checkers, period.
Aside from rain shortened finishes, the race shoud be the exact number of laps as originally prescribed. Screw the last laps roulette.
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Thank you. Many people will bemoan NASCAR's ever increasing gimmickry, yet it was starting to seem like everyone has lost sight of what a 400 or 500 mile race is supposed to mean.

No overtime. No GWC. Races end under yellow when there is a late caution without enough laps left for a proper restart. Period. This should be a sport for adults (of all ages), not prescripted, guaranteed 'excitement' for ADD-addled man-children in the mold of Brian France and Steve O'Donnell.
 
Dale Earnhardt Jr. says NASCAR should dump the overtime line

Dale Earnhardt Jr. thinks NASCAR needs to rethink one of its newest rules — the overtime line.

The popular driver watched his teammate, Jimmie Johnson, win in overtime Sunday at Dover International Speedway. But the way Johnson won — taking the lead on the overtime restart, then winning under caution after a multicar crash erupted behind the leaders — made Earnhardt Jr. think the overtime line rule should be modified. He said as much in a post Sunday evening on Periscope.

“I kind of helped come up with that idea, so this is going to be kind of strange, but I think they should get rid of the overtime line at all the racetracks except for Daytona and Talladega,” Earnhardt Jr. said. “I think we should race it out everywhere. And no overtime line, just keep on doing green-white-checkereds until you get it right everywhere. And then at Daytona and Talladega, you probably can do something different.”

http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/...m8pyf91?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
 
Interesting thoughts from Earnhardt, Junior.

Given how very objective NASCAR fans are, I wonder what the collective reaction would have been had he been the beneficiary of the current, convoluted “overtime” rule.
 
This is the same bunch that has been creating artificial game 7 moments for years. They have arguably an authentic game 7 moment, an actual real game 7 moment and what do they do? Overtime line. Got segments, playoffs, get out of jail free points. They have a point system that takes a computer to follow and for the most part is meaningless...win and your in is like survivor immunity , so what do they do with the closest to a real drama finish system..overtime line. lol
 
sdj said:
I guess I am too old school, but, just race the stated distance no matter what and how the leader at that time crosses the finish line is irrelevant.JMHO
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Well, old school also raced back to the flag stand which created many exciting racing moments. NASCAR did away with that due to safety reasons and now we have OT. Get rid of the OT line, it's ridiculous to call it a race when cars still haven't made it through turn 2.
 
Until a few minutes ago, I was in favor of 3 G/W/C. Now I'm starting to think more like Greg. If Nascar has to throw the yellow flag coming to the checkers, then that's what they have to do. Not every race can end with an exciting run to the s/f. I would even favor racing back to the line under caution if it wasn't for the lack of seasoned drivers in the field today. With the up and coming young drivers and all the safety features of the cars now, the drivers are more likely to drive on the edge. So, I think I prefer Nascar end the race at the predetermined distance.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
the current overtime rules were put in place after dega 2015 when Harvick wrecked the field, IIRC.

The overtime line is a mornic system. It ruined the finish to a great race today. Id prefer we go back to the GWC with unlimited attempts but change it to 5 laps instead of 2.

Any other ideas that will fall on deaf ears?
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I have always hated the GWC. A driver who is leading and deserving of the win gets the shaft because those behind him get 3 chances to beat him. Stupid rules like that are 1 reason the best car doesn't win and gives special chances to the 3rd place car.
That one rule almost caused me to give up Nascar and if it comes back I will be done.
Nascar always thinks ( or they don't think) that when something works like stage racing
having more stages will make it better and that is just wrong. Drivers won't race as hard if they know they will have more chances to get those points.
 
Can't really put a finger on it but something about racing to the checkers has always been a little
more appealing to me than rumbling across the line under a yellow.
 
One thing about it. Nascar has managed to find a way to piss everybody off, the GWC people and the ok for yellow finishers. :dunce:
 
R Clarence said:
Interesting thoughts from Earnhardt, Junior.

Given how very objective NASCAR fans are, I wonder what the collective reaction would have been had he been the beneficiary of the current, convoluted “overtime” rule.
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IDK if Junior is flapping his gums more than in years past but it seems so.
 
Greg said:
(the following is all just my opinion)
Screw green white checkers, period.
Aside from rain shortened finishes, the race shoud be the exact number of laps as originally prescribed. Screw the last laps roulette.
Larson got ****ted out of the race due to the GWC rule, and the speedy dry crapping his tires, not so much the O.T line.

It could be argued that lane choice was a miss for Larson, but still the same the speedy dry was a factor imo.
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I blame Richmond for this.

Dale Jarrett was leading when a caution came out with 7 or so to go. Finishing under yellow was the standard practice at that time. Somebody decided to toss a red flag, although there was plenty of room for the crews to safely clean up the track. After several minutes (long enough that the race would have otherwise ended), they went green with 4 or so to go. Terry Labonte stole one that day.

Not long after, the original version of G-W-C was pumped out of the septic tank and paraded around as the Next Great Thing.
 
Indycar doesn't have the G-W-C and will end a race under caution but yesterday they red flagged the race to clean the track (I don't know if it was warranted or not). They've also done it for the 500 but as I recall that was the best approach for that particular race.

I have mixed feelings about the G-W-C and ending under yellow. (It probably has a lot to do with who I'm cheering for at the end of the race).
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I blame Richmond for this.

Dale Jarrett was leading when a caution came out with 7 or so to go. Finishing under yellow was the standard practice at that time. Somebody decided to toss a red flag, although there was plenty of room for the crews to safely clean up the track. After several minutes (long enough that the race would have otherwise ended), they went green with 4 or so to go. Terry Labonte stole one that day.

Not long after, the original version of G-W-C was pumped out of the septic tank and paraded around as the Next Great Thing.
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Jarrett forgot the golden rule. Keep your seat belt fastened until the race comes to a full stop.
 
Wasn't Dale Jarrett involved with the not racing to back to the stripe under yellow rule? My memory says that Ernie Irvan and the Skittles car hit DJ racing back to the stripe but I wouldn't bet a nickle on it.
 
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Charlie Spencer said:
I blame Richmond for this.

Dale Jarrett was leading when a caution came out with 7 or so to go. Finishing under yellow was the standard practice at that time. Somebody decided to toss a red flag, although there was plenty of room for the crews to safely clean up the track. After several minutes (long enough that the race would have otherwise ended), they went green with 4 or so to go. Terry Labonte stole one that day.

Not long after, the original version of G-W-C was pumped out of the septic tank and paraded around as the Next Great Thing.
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that would be Bill Jr. One can see why Brain comes by it naturally.
 
The whole point of the GWC was to end races under green. In fact, the color yellow or its associated flag is not referenced in the acronym at all.

NASCAR instituting this overtime line overcomplicated a much simpler issue. Sounds kind of familiar actually.
 
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