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Kinda pricey. My son and I stopped in at the local Dodge dealer, wished it have been the Chevy guy though. He knows better to ask me to go look at Furds.

2010 Challenger SRT, black with silver hood and deck stripes ala '69 Chevelle. Wheels reminded me of the old Cragar chromed 5 spokes. 5 speed and yes the itty bitty Hemi. Salesman reminded me of the 2 guys in the commercials when the hemi first came out with "it's a hemi" slogan. If he said it once he said it a dozen times. I finally told him he didn't have a clue and would be crying under his bed if he ever saw what a real hemi could do. That ended the sales presentation.

47,000 !!!!!!!!!
 
Kinda pricey. My son and I stopped in at the local Dodge dealer, wished it have been the Chevy guy though. He knows better to ask me to go look at Furds.

2010 Challenger SRT, black with silver hood and deck stripes ala '69 Chevelle. Wheels reminded me of the old Cragar chromed 5 spokes. 5 speed and yes the itty bitty Hemi. Salesman reminded me of the 2 guys in the commercials when the hemi first came out with "it's a hemi" slogan. If he said it once he said it a dozen times. I finally told him he didn't have a clue and would be crying under his bed if he ever saw what a real hemi could do. That ended the sales presentation.

47,000 !!!!!!!!!

You must of been looking at the top of the line model, I've seen them at $28K, with no frills, but still nice.
sorry a few more dollars , but still not too bad:http://www.dodge.com/hostc/bmo/summary.do
 
It was a SRT 8. They had a few of them, the sticker was 46,510 but "on sale" for 40,510. Lowest sticker price I saw on other Challengers on the lot was 34,000 and they were V-6's.

Web site, Bald Hill Dodge, breaks down the payments, a 9+ grand down payment and $600 a month for 60 months @7.9% interest!!

I'm just guessing but I'm thinking insurance would run at least $250 a month for insurance for a single guy under 30.
 
It was a SRT 8. They had a few of them, the sticker was 46,510 but "on sale" for 40,510. Lowest sticker price I saw on other Challengers on the lot was 34,000 and they were V-6's.

Web site, Bald Hill Dodge, breaks down the payments, a 9+ grand down payment and $600 a month for 60 months @7.9% interest!!

I'm just guessing but I'm thinking insurance would run at least $250 a month for insurance for a single guy under 30.

The price i saw on line was for the base model V-8 not the V-6. Still not a practical care here in New England, you could only drive it basically 7 months per year.
 
It was a SRT 8. They had a few of them, the sticker was 46,510 but "on sale" for 40,510. Lowest sticker price I saw on other Challengers on the lot was 34,000 and they were V-6's.

Web site, Bald Hill Dodge, breaks down the payments, a 9+ grand down payment and $600 a month for 60 months @7.9% interest!!

I'm just guessing but I'm thinking insurance would run at least $250 a month for insurance for a single guy under 30.

Yikes! :eek:
 
Still not a practical care here in New England, you could only drive it basically 7 months per year.

Why do you say that? I drove my 396/375hp Chevelle year round. Along with many other high hp cars. I do admit they weren't the best in snow.:)
 
Why do you say that? I drove my 396/375hp Chevelle year round. Along with many other high hp cars. I do admit they weren't the best in snow.:)
Just send me that SS396 and I'll never ever say a bad thing about you again...NEVER. Oh but wait, it's gotta be a '66 or '67. :D Oh, and if it's not blue, have it painted first.
 
Why do you say that? I drove my 396/375hp Chevelle year round. Along with many other high hp cars. I do admit they weren't the best in snow.:)

Umm yeh 400hp at the rear wheels in snow= not good
 
Just send me that SS396 and I'll never ever say a bad thing about you again...NEVER. Oh but wait, it's gotta be a '66 or '67. :D Oh, and if it's not blue, have it painted first.

Mmmmm.... just saw a 66' next town over with a 396, but it was black!
 
Just send me that SS396 and I'll never ever say a bad thing about you again...NEVER. Oh but wait, it's gotta be a '66 or '67. :D Oh, and if it's not blue, have it painted first.

Sorry Buck, this one is a '69. Guess you'll pass on it,,,

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Twin to the one I bought when I got out of the service. Different rims and tires though.
I'll have to dig up pictures of my Chevelles, 2 '64's, small blocks, a '65 with a 428 HO Pontiac out of a Judge and a '69 396 SS.
 
Sorry Buck, this one is a '69. Guess you'll pass on it,,,

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Twin to the one I bought when I got out of the service. Different rims and tires though.
I'll have to dig up pictures of my Chevelles, 2 '64's, small blocks, a '65 with a 428 HO Pontiac out of a Judge and a '69 396 SS.
Well, I could add that '69. Never rode in one of those however. When I was a sophomore in college, one of my friends had a '66 Blue of course, and we would often run the boulevard in the afternoon just tooling around. One day a little old lady was pulling out on to the street and my friend knew that he didn't have time to stop so he slammed it down into second and floored it. The sensation I got in the back seat was overwhelming. From that moment on, I wanted that car. Never did get it, but I never stopped wanting it.
 
Now I'm losing respect for you guys. Sorry, but if you can't handle 'any' car in bad weather, park it, or better yet, sell it to someone who can ... and does. I'll bet you panty waists can't handle it because you had to have an automatic tranny. Was shifting too much work for you? Gimme a stick shift, a decent budget for tires and access to some old rail iron, and I'll drive anything, anywhere, anytime.

Does 400hp to the back wheels warrant special consideration ... damn straight. Does it warrant parking it? Hell no. I cringe and weep when I see cars treated like trailer queens. But to park it because 'that's too much power for the road"???? for shame. Yer grandpappy didn't park his car when the weather turned bad and he had a helluva lot less advantages and options than we do today.
 
Friend of mine has a '58 Vette. Nice car. He's weird. He keeps it under cover in a heated/ac'd garage and up on jack stands too. His idea of a wild time is removing all the visible phillips heads screws in the dash and scrubbing the heads with a toothbrush to remove any dirt/grime from the slots.

He won't uncover the car in the garage if there's a cloud in the sky. He won't drive it unless no rain is forecast for the next 2-3 days. Yes. Told you he was weird.

Me? I drove them, day or night,rain or snow. It's great to have a nice car but I'd rather put my money in the car first rather than on the car. I never lost any sleep because I had a fender in primer.

Chrome won't get you home,,,,,
 
Now I'm losing respect for you guys. Sorry, but if you can't handle 'any' car in bad weather, park it, or better yet, sell it to someone who can ... and does. I'll bet you panty waists can't handle it because you had to have an automatic tranny. Was shifting too much work for you? Gimme a stick shift, a decent budget for tires and access to some old rail iron, and I'll drive anything, anywhere, anytime.

Does 400hp to the back wheels warrant special consideration ... damn straight. Does it warrant parking it? Hell no. I cringe and weep when I see cars treated like trailer queens. But to park it because 'that's too much power for the road"???? for shame. Yer grandpappy didn't park his car when the weather turned bad and he had a helluva lot less advantages and options than we do today.

Yeh ok I'd like to see you drive a 69 Camaro up a hill in a foot of snow! Won't happen i'll wave to you as I pass by in my Subaru. Classics are meant for nice weather and no salt.
 
Bull****, junior. Been there, done it many times, with a 300hp rear wheel drive pickup. Dad did it with a '70 Nova, and a '66 Malibu too. I've also driven a Subaru in 4x4 mode (not the ***** AWD they've got today) on the same country roads. The camaro of which you speak came from the factory with better ground clearance than your Scooby. Chuck on appropriate winter tires ... studded naturally, throw a couple of hundred pounds of iron in the trunk and I'll leave you standing. You might want to remember ... that classic used to be a daily driver. It wasn't built for the show floor.

But if you want to doubt me, feel free to come visit. I'm always looking for an excuse to open up the cottage for Christmas. Tell me what date you want to come, and I'll pm you the address and I'll have the fire going for ya ... if you arrive.
 
I love this argument. Having lived in the northern climes and now in the southern climes, I know the arguments. While I was stationed in the Air Force in North Dakota (snow lies there from October until April), I had a roomy who was from Alabama and drove a 68 Firebird. There were times when he couldn't get his car out of our parking lot for one reason, and one reason only. I asked him why his tires always seemed to be buried in solid ice, he told me this..."the only way to get around in this crap is to keep your foot in the carburetor". I laughed at him but didn't argue. His car seemed to be parked most of the time in the winter.

While living in Iowa, I used to have a small pickup, real wheel drive. I got around quite well in the winter, but I always had seven or eight concrete blocks in the bed of the truck. Otherwise, I wouldn't go anywhere. When it comes to driving in snow and ice, those who live and drive in it most often, know what to do. That's why when there is a "THREAT" of snow here in the south, they close the schools. Doesn't matter if it does snow or not. They are not used to that here and thus, their mindset.

But back on the original subject, I will accept a '68 or '69 SS 396. Hell, I'd accept any Vette from that era.
 
Bull****, junior. Been there, done it many times, with a 300hp rear wheel drive pickup. Dad did it with a '70 Nova, and a '66 Malibu too. I've also driven a Subaru in 4x4 mode (not the ***** AWD they've got today) on the same country roads. The camaro of which you speak came from the factory with better ground clearance than your Scooby. Chuck on appropriate winter tires ... studded naturally, throw a couple of hundred pounds of iron in the trunk and I'll leave you standing. You might want to remember ... that classic used to be a daily driver. It wasn't built for the show floor.

But if you want to doubt me, feel free to come visit. I'm always looking for an excuse to open up the cottage for Christmas. Tell me what date you want to come, and I'll pm you the address and I'll have the fire going for ya ... if you arrive.

Been there done that with 4 Camaros i'd bet a weeks pay I'd smoke your ass in My all wheel drive Legacy, wouldn't even be close.
 
Been there done that with 4 Camaros i'd bet a weeks pay I'd smoke your ass in My all wheel drive Legacy, wouldn't even be close.

Bring it. I'll put my '85 land yacht up if you can't supply something with more power. Like I said ... been there, done it. I'd offer my girl's s-10, but I don't have the v8 in it yet.
 
LOL... your are telling me seriously that a 69 camaro with a 396 can make it up a snow covered hill quicker than an all wheel drive car? I'd truly like to see that, I grew up in New England, still live here, learned how to drive on a rear wheel drive Chevy wagon, and when there was more than 8" of snow it was very difficult to drive up any kind of substantial hill. Common sense will tell you 4 wheels driving vs 2 wheels driving is a no brainer. Even with weight in the back the Camaro is going to lose.:D
 
I grew up and learned to drive somewhat north of you. First car I ever drove was a 70 nova in the middle of winter. And like I said ... I also owned a Subaru .. A loyale. You're overlooking several things ... like that magical foot of snow. Your legacy is going to be pushing 6" of snow in front of it. The camaro has enough clearance that it won't touch. Let me put the tires I want on it, load the trunk with iron, and give me a stick shift .... I'll take the challenge any day. I drove for a living every day for 15 years .... from N.B to Hearst, ont. and everywhere in between. Burned through half a dozen cars in the process. Sub compacts, mid-sized station wagons, pickups and minivans, and even econolines. Even had to run an almost empty cube from Mtl to Toronto, and completely empty back in a snow storm. Give me a clutch and stick, and I fear no hill.

I wish I had photos of the climbs in the mountains from QC city to Lac St-Jean and Mtl to Abitibi. Ran them any number of times summer and winter, made no difference. Every car, truck or van, I took the time to outfit correctly, and in 15 years, was never stuck once, no matter what I drove or where I drove it. The closest I ever came to it was when the company tried to foist off a FWD venture with 4 season tires on it on me. I outright refused to take it. Once it was properly shod, I put 200,000km on it ... never a lick of trouble. And that's the key. Knowing what you've got and how to drive it. And more importantly .. how not to.

I suggest you read "how to go in the snow" by e.d.fales. I suggest everyone read it for that matter. I believe he updated it several times, but the version I own was published in 1968. It speaks exactly of this era of vehicle.
 
Prof i know how to drive in the snow, been driving in it for 35 years, I had a Impreza Outback sport that would go through a foot of snow no problem, didn't push a load of snow in front of it . It had 8" of clearance, had all season tires too, no snow or studs. I prefer a stick also, haven't got stuck since i had an 85 T-bird. Had weight in the ass end 300lbs, studded snows on all 4 wheels but that car just sucked in the snow, so did all my Camaros. I don't doubt your driving abilities, but a Subby isn't going to lose to a rear wheel drive muscle car in a race up a hill with a foot of snow on it.....never happen. From a standing start on the bottom to the top 4 wheels are better than rear wheel any day ....sorry just the way i see it...lol cheers:beerbang:
 
I never tried to drive a hi-perf car in a foot of snow. I have however driven them on snow and ice covered roads. I never used studded tires or chains either. Not a pleasant experience at times. Maybe that's why I kept 'Ol Blue', a old Chevy 4wd pickem up truck.

I owned my Camaro when I lived in Fla. It was explained to me that they used ground up coral mixed in with the cement for roads, true or not I really don't know. I do know the concrete roads back then were slippery like snot on a door knob when wet.

If you've ever lived in So Fla you know there are times of the year it rains every day at precisely 4:15, stops raining at 4:25 and we got out at 4:30

Frank had a Mach 1 with the 351, Rick had a [beep-beep] Road runner with a 383, another guy had a Charger with a real hemi, I had my Camaro. There were others too but can't remember their names.

When we left work it looked liked the staging lanes at the U S Nationals. :D
Because we worked for National airlines we called it the Parking Lot Nationals. Lotsa fun but the company didn't appreciate it and put a end to it.:(
 
Last post on the subject. Mop, read the article. Only a right nul would even attempt starting a hill from a dead stop. That's what I was talking about when I said knowing what not to do. If you're going to attempt stuff like that, I'm not surprised you think the car's not appropriate.
 
Last post on the subject. Mop, read the article. Only a right nul would even attempt starting a hill from a dead stop. That's what I was talking about when I said knowing what not to do. If you're going to attempt stuff like that, I'm not surprised you think the car's not appropriate.

well anyone can get up a head of steam and fish tale his way up a hill, maybe, but from a standing start that rear wheel drive isn't going anywhere. that is what i was trying to say, I've never driven a better car in snowy conditions, the Subby will out do my truck as far as handling.
 
Okay, for another story about driving in the snow...back in 73, I had a 72 Porche 914, a mid engine little plaything. I was living on the Illinois side of the Miss. River and we could get a few nice amounts of snow. My other car was a 72 Vega and that car would hydroplane in a quarter inch of water. But that little 914 would go where other cars couldn't. Though it was low to the ground, I could almost plow my driveway with it because it would just keep on going.
 
One For The Chevy Guys

I saw this tonight at the local car meet, thought you Chevy guys might like it.
'59 Impala Rag. Aluminum-headed, dual-quad 409...

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Engine swap? IIRC '59's had the 348, 409's didn't come out until 1961. Hard to tell the difference between them externally. Nice car though.:D
 
Yep sweet ride, my sister had a 64' SS with a 427, needed some work, but i remember my dad saying too much car for you. My sister could drive though, didn't have that car long think she bought a 57' chevy after that.
 
Engine swap? IIRC '59's had the 348, 409's didn't come out until 1961. Hard to tell the difference between them externally. Nice car though.:D

Yup. But if you are going to spend that kind of money, the more cubes the better. My buddy said it was a 348 but the owner said 409.
Apparently he has 5 of these, hard tops, rags, Elcos.
 
Engine swap? IIRC '59's had the 348, 409's didn't come out until 1961. Hard to tell the difference between them externally. Nice car though.:D
The 348 was that standard in 59, but the 409 was an option. My parents had a '59 348 and I did a lot of work on it. I actually rebuilt the 4 barrel carb.
 
LOL... your are telling me seriously that a 69 camaro with a 396 can make it up a snow covered hill quicker than an all wheel drive car? I'd truly like to see that, I grew up in New England, still live here, learned how to drive on a rear wheel drive Chevy wagon, and when there was more than 8" of snow it was very difficult to drive up any kind of substantial hill. Common sense will tell you 4 wheels driving vs 2 wheels driving is a no brainer. Even with weight in the back the Camaro is going to lose.:D


Umm...I drove up a half-mile long hill on Rte 528 in a 1976 Chevy Nova. On the way up I passed a semi with trailer, one Honda Civic,, a Chevy Citation, and an AWD Brat. I only lost traction once...going over the crest of the hill and onto the flat. A little raising of the right foot got me right back on track. AWD/4WD gives you an advantage at launch, but only skill with the right foot will keep you there. ;)
 
Umm...I drove up a half-mile long hill on Rte 528 in a 1976 Chevy Nova. On the way up I passed a semi with trailer, one Honda Civic,, a Chevy Citation, and an AWD Brat. I only lost traction once...going over the crest of the hill and onto the flat. A little raising of the right foot got me right back on track. AWD/4WD gives you an advantage at launch, but only skill with the right foot will keep you there. ;)

Yeh like i said you can do it from a head of steam , try doing it from a standing start, my Legacy will beat you every time.!;)
 
Yeh like i said you can do it from a head of steam , try doing it from a standing start, my Legacy will beat you every time.!;)

Maybe, maybe not. One must assume that, in my scenario, all vehicles were moving up that hill with a 'head of steam'. If I made it up the hill, the Brat should have made it up as well.
 
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