New Qualifying format in 2005?

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Bob Dilner reported on Speed Channel that qualifying in 2005 for the Cup Series could have a different look in 2005, with the top 35 teams [owners points? drivers points?] be assured to make the top 35 no matter how fast or slow they are. From 36 on back could not get the pole and would be set by speed. No word on if provisionals would still be used. This is supposedly one of a few scenarios NASCAR is thinking about regarding qualifying in 2005.(10-30-2004)
 
Sure would put a damper on the Carl Longs and Kurt Shelmerdines in the series. Think of the Bud Shootout...........no new blood to race the week before the Daytona 500. Well, I was pretty much dead set against the C4C when they first announced it but once I thought it through I saw many pluses........maybe this will be the same! We'll see, but on the surface, I really don't think the purposed format is anywhere near what I would like. I would like to see them do what they have done a few times in the Busch series..........impound the cars after qualifying. Race what you qualified on!! :)
 
Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Oct 31 2004, 11:01 AM
Sure would put a damper on the Carl Longs and Kurt Shelmerdines in the series. Think of the Bud Shootout...........no new blood to race the week before the Daytona 500. Well, I was pretty much dead set against the C4C when they first announced it but once I thought it through I saw many pluses........maybe this will be the same! We'll see, but on the surface, I really don't think the purposed format is anywhere near what I would like. I would like to see them do what they have done a few times in the Busch series..........impound the cars after qualifying. Race what you qualified on!! :)
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I agree with ya here DE_W. :cheers:
 
I really don't have a problem with regular cars not making the field. I disagree with Kenny Wallace say NASCAR needs to guarantee Regular teams making the field because they have obligations to their sponsers. The answer to that is if you are a funded team by a sponser there is absolutly no excuss not to quallify against an under funded team. You've got the money, maybe you're spending to much on new shop buildings and not enough on R&D for your team.

I don't see any reasonable excuss for Scott Wimmer and Scott Riggs not making the field. Rigg's team mate is outside pole, Wimmer's team mate made the field on time.

I think all 43 spots should be on speed perriod! No excusses.
 
Personally, I've come around on the C4C but THAT purported tweak is just rediculous. What happens to the Rookies, Bill Elliot, Terry Labonte, etc . who have chosen to race part time before retiring under this system? :eek:
 
If there are more than 43 cars entering qualifying.........someone (or many someones) is going home early. I understand the provisional reasoning and the tweak this year helps eliminate some of the abuse that has been somewhat rampant over the last few years (BTW, I know my all time favorite used to use provisionals instead of taking times........I didn't like it either). But the way I see this purposed format it looks like provisionals gone beserk!! Get in on time or use a limited supply of provisionals...........or go home. No matter how well funded or popular you are.
 
I much prefer the two day race weekend proposal---show up on Friday, practice, qualify on Saturday, impound the cars, and race on Sunday---or whatever variation needs be done for a Saturday night race.

If NASCAR lets advertisers totoally control the cars kmaking the race---NASCAR will become AdvertisingCAR to the point of excluding anyone without big money----and the whole sport suffers.
 
If I owned a company (let's say Valvoline for instance) and I pumped all that money into a race team, and my car could not make the field, I be moving my money to a car that could that didn't have a sponsor say the 99.

But I don't own Valvoline. Well, except for a quart I keep for the lawnmower and tiller...
 
Originally posted by WideOpenPhoto@Oct 31 2004, 10:06 AM
Bob Dilner reported on Speed Channel that qualifying in 2005 for the Cup Series could have a different look in 2005, with the top 35 teams [owners points? drivers points?] be assured to make the top 35 no matter how fast or slow they are. From 36 on back could not get the pole and would be set by speed. No word on if provisionals would still be used. This is supposedly one of a few scenarios NASCAR is thinking about regarding qualifying in 2005.(10-30-2004)
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My gut check reaction is BOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!

But when I think about it for a couple minutes, How often do the top 35 teams not make the field. If the next 8 cars have to race their way into the field then it is realistic to believe you will have the fastest 43 cars in the race every week.


One problem NASCAR would have totally eliminating provisionals is what if some one like Jr wrecked in qualifying. Then 2/3s of the fans that paid to see him race, wouldn't get the chance.
 
This question in various incarnations has been tossed around many times. Aftermuch careful thought, trying to balance total fairness with the reality of sponsorship dollars and ticket considerations, I would like to see it done thusly:

1 - For every event, a maximum number of starting spots is announced when the season schedule is announced. If they want 50 for the Daytona 500 and 36 at Martinsville, so be it. Just announce it before the season even starts and stick to it.

2 - For every event, all spots are based on time only EXCEPT the final 5. For example, let's say Pocono has 43 starters. I will use that scenario for the remainder of this post. The top 38 are strictly on time. No ifs, ands or buts...make the time or go to plan B.

3 - Spots 39-42 (the next 4 spots) are settled in two heat races. Heat races are to be 1/10 the length of the main event. The top two finishers in each heat advance, with starting spot order reverting back to speed trial. Example: Pocono's heat races finish thusly...Heat A, Casey Mears and Kyle Petty, Heat B, Carl Edwards and Kirk Shelmerdine. Kyle had the fastest time trial, he starts 39th, and so forth.

4 - The final spot on the grid is an event sponsor's exemption. Any driver who attempted a time trial and is not otherwise in the field may be given this spot. If a company bellies up the cash to sponsor a race, they should be rewarded with the "out" of having a major star who crashed in time trials remain in the field, or to allow a local favorite in, or whatever they choose. We're talking one car here, folks...not the end of the world. It's a "thank you" to the company that made the race possible in the first place...throw 'em a bone.

In the unlikely event that TWO major drivers crash in time trials AND finish poorly in the heat races...tough luck for somebody. This is a car race...bring your best game or stay at the house. If luck conspires against a (for example..) Ryan Newman to the point that the event sponsor chooses Jamie McMurray over him, tough. Next time keep your tail out of the fence and you too can play.


Just my opinion. I'm sure NASCAR has been waiting with much anticipation to see what I thought though. :rolleyes:
 
Set the times by speed.

then run a 10 lap quick 6, (sets the 1st 3 rows)

and then run 10 lap heat races.


that way even if 60 cars show up they all have a chance to get in the show.




(i got dirt track on my mind again) :lol:
 
I still like EMP's post.
Otherwise, I say, you qually on speed. The 43 fastest run the race. All others GO HOME!!!!! Simple!!!
If you are in the wall while quallifying, under the present system most can bring out the ole back up and start at the end of the field. Pooooooooooooooo on that too.
It would also make it better for the lower funded teams by not having to have a second car to run as back up.
And if Jeff Gordon, Jr, Ryan, Kurt, or anyone, don't qually on speed, ....................
TOUGH!!!!!
 
Ladydragon, that's a bit tough, and while I agree with most of that, I'd be willing to give two, maybe three provisionals, all based on what the sponsors of the race decide. That way the sponsor should be able to allow who he likes into the race. That's what it is in other sports.
 
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