New Sway Bar Rule in effect for Kentucky

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I didn't see another thread on this although it could have been mentioned in the Matt Kenseth thread for all I know. Anyhow, I've been away from ready much about the sport recently but I saw this article today about the new sway bar rules going into affect starting this weekend. This seems like it could be a big deal to many teams, including the one that I root for. Anyhow here's the story on this.....

Impact Of New NASCAR Sway Bar Rule Unclear Heading Into Kentucky Weekend

NASCAR's rule changes concerning the rear sway bars of Sprint Cup Series cars are a significant story to watch heading into this weekend's Quaker State 400 at Kentucky Speedway.

The sway bar rule has the potential to impact the performance of teams which had been making advances in that area. Those teams, which include Hendrick Motorsports, had set up the sway bar at an angle that would skew the rear ends and helped the cars turn better in the corner.

NASCAR frowns upon skewed rear ends because it makes the cars look like they're "crab-walking" down the straightaways. In 2008, officials implemented another in-season rule change to try and restrict the angle of the rear-end housing (remember Sam Hornish Jr.'s Charlotte car that year?).

Starting at Kentucky, the sway bar arms must be perpendicular to the ground. Therefore, the advantage some teams gained in making the cars turn might be taken away. The key word is "might," because it's unclear to everyone just exactly how big of an advantage it was.

"Very curious to see how that resets the competition from a speed platform," Brad Keselowski said Thursday. "... I think it's going to be a major game-changer on who is fast and who is competitive and who is not."

Hendrick's setups were not "illegal" during its recent hot streak, when it won five of six events (including the All-Star Race) prior to Sonoma. But the team had creatively found something with the sway bars that worked within the rules, and other teams began to notice and follow suit.

During the recent Michigan race won by Hendrick's Dale Earnhardt Jr., the Richard Childress Racing cars each used the angled sway bar as part of their setups for the first time (Stewart-Haas Racing cars, which share setup information with Hendrick, were rumored to be using it as well).

"I think everybody has caught on to what they were doing with the bars...and everybody was getting ready to venture down that road and spend a lot of time (in that area)," RCR's Kevin Harvick said last week. "There is some significant speed in that particular package."

Keselowski estimated "half of the field" was using the angled sway bars and said those cars will "slow down quite a bit" without it.

"It was certainly worth some speed," said Keselowski, whose Penske Racing team was not working in that area. "Those teams deserve the credit for develop those parts and making them work. NASCAR felt like they were outside the intent of the rules, obviously, by creating a rule specifically to stop it.

"They didn't do anything illegal, they just took advantage of the rules as they stand and found some performance."

So what kind of impact will the new rule really have for cars like Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s No. 88? A handful of drivers polled via text message on Thursday generated opinions ranging from minimal to wait-and-see, though none predicted a dramatic slowdown for Hendrick's cars.

In other news, the Cup teams will also lose some aerodynamic grip this week thanks to another NASCAR rule change concerning the length of the side skirts. But most people in the garage feel that rule change will have a minimal impact compared to the sway bar change.

NASCAR is changing the side skirt length in an effort to promote more side-by-side racing (the thought being that if cars depend less on aero devices, it will improve the racing).

From here.
 
It was pretty neat to listen to Brads live media session, which is where he first found out about the away bar rule change. What I found interesting is that Brad knew all about what teams were doing, and which teams were doing it. But Penske wasn't. I've always seen Rogers refusal to do this kind of thing because "it isn't in the spirit of the rules" as the major reason he hasn't been more successful in NASCAR.
 
It was pretty neat to listen to Brads live media session, which is where he first found out about the away bar rule change. What I found interesting is that Brad knew all about what teams were doing, and which teams were doing it. But Penske wasn't. I've always seen Rogers refusal to do this kind of thing because "it isn't in the spirit of the rules" as the major reason he hasn't been more successful in NASCAR.

Penske hate, Keselowski love. Nice ;)
 
As most of you know I stay kinda in the middle ground on here because its fun to watch the minor squabbles without getting my blood pressure up, but this is one of the things that really chap my ass. Read into this what you will but I Love Stock Car Racing but it is all but nonexistant in the U.S.. Nascars ills come from a variety of reasons, it grew too fast, Brian France took the reins, cookie cutter cars that with a primer coat they all look the same from more than a few feet away and the article here about making all of the cars the same. Every time there are some innovative advances made by a team, any team, nascar squashes them because it interferes with their concept of a vanilla race car. Do not start spouting Safety, Safety, Safety advances because the things I am talking about have nothing to do with safety, they have to do with taking away the individual aspects of the cars, drivers and teams.
 
As most of you know I stay kinda in the middle ground on here because its fun to watch the minor squabbles without getting my blood pressure up, but this is one of the things that really chap my ass. Read into this what you will but I Love Stock Car Racing but it is all but nonexistant in the U.S.. Nascars ills come from a variety of reasons, it grew too fast, Brian France took the reins, cookie cutter cars that with a primer coat they all look the same from more than a few feet away and the article here about making all of the cars the same. Every time there are some innovative advances made by a team, any team, nascar squashes them because it interferes with their concept of a vanilla race car. Do not start spouting Safety, Safety, Safety advances because the things I am talking about have nothing to do with safety, they have to do with taking away the individual aspects of the cars, drivers and teams.

Agreed. You're back in the club but I'm still going to contact Jim Sockolove about our rights.
 
I agree, Johali. But I also remember when NASCAR would mandate that one manufacturer or another had to change ther roof height or rear window or grille opening - in the name of competitive balance. This is nothing new...
 
Agreed. You're back in the club but I'm still going to contact Jim Sockolove about our rights.

Doesn't Jim special in domestic partner law? ;)

Well said, Johali. When nascar went away from street car looks and decided to aero race, everything went south. The sad part is, they thought that saying 'have at it' would fix it. They don't even understand their own product. The aero package and cussin fines brought about the boring gentlemans agreement, because you can't bend your fender or allow yourself to get too emotional out there.
 
Doesn't Jim special in domestic partner law? ;)

Well said, Johali. When nascar went away from street car looks and decided to aero race, everything went south. The sad part is, they thought that saying 'have at it' would fix it. They don't even understand their own product. The aero package and cussin fines brought about the boring gentlemans agreement, because you can't bend your fender or allow yourself to get too emotional out there.

Yes, he does, and I'm not getting caught in the middle your guys' messy divorce. I want to to know my rights if custody because in issue.
 
I agree, Johali. But I also remember when NASCAR would mandate that one manufacturer or another had to change ther roof height or rear window or grille opening - in the name of competitive balance. This is nothing new...

I did not say it was new. When a person is of my age very little is truly new.
 
The cream always rises.

I still don't think raising the side skirts will make much of a difference. Until they stop the splitter from being sealed to the track there is no way to get air to the nose of the trailing car.
 
The cream always rises.

I still don't think raising the side skirts will make much of a difference. Until they stop the splitter from being sealed to the track there is no way to get air to the nose of the trailing car.

Yes there is. Take out the rear window of the leading car. :D
 
Take out the rear window of the leading car. :D

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Loudon this week will show the effect of the roll bar rule much more than Daytona did, some teams don't even run a rear rollbar at Daytona with the banking and rear spring rule it's just not effective. Now a Flat Track will be an entirely different matter.
 
Loudon this week will show the effect of the roll bar rule much more than Daytona did, some teams don't even run a rear rollbar at Daytona with the banking and rear spring rule it's just not effective. Now a Flat Track will be an entirely different matter.

We will definately see whose figured it out and whose got work to do.
 
"Starting at Kentucky, the sway bar arms must be perpendicular to the ground."

hmm. So if you have 1" of stagger in the car.....
 
Loudon this week will show the effect of the roll bar rule much more than Daytona did, some teams don't even run a rear rollbar at Daytona with the banking and rear spring rule it's just not effective. Now a Flat Track will be an entirely different matter.

It was in effect at Kentucky and it was a non-issue. I think it will remain a non-isure at NHMS.
 
"Very curious to see how that resets the competition from a speed platform," Brad Keselowski said Thursday. "... I think it's going to be a major game-changer on who is fast and who is competitive and who is not."

Hendrick teams finished 4 of the top 6 and Keselowski won. I guess he can thank Nascar for that as HMS would've dominated had they not changed that rule :eek:
 
"Very curious to see how that resets the competition from a speed platform," Brad Keselowski said Thursday. "... I think it's going to be a major game-changer on who is fast and who is competitive and who is not."

Hendrick teams finished 4 of the top 6 and Keselowski won. I guess he can thank Nascar for that as HMS would've dominated had they not changed that rule :eek:

Aparently, Penske never went to the tilt because it was a gray area, something Roger tells his engineers not to mess with. IMO, this is the kind of thing that has kept Penske from winning a championship.
 
"Starting at Kentucky, the sway bar arms must be perpendicular to the ground."

hmm. So if you have 1" of stagger in the car.....

Your getting it, so do you or don't you want to preload the bar to stay within the guidelines of the rule? Or maybe just use a creative way to get around it completely?
 
"Very curious to see how that resets the competition from a speed platform," Brad Keselowski said Thursday. "... I think it's going to be a major game-changer on who is fast and who is competitive and who is not."

Hendrick teams finished 4 of the top 6 and Keselowski won. I guess he can thank Nascar for that as HMS would've dominated had they not changed that rule :eek:

Yeah, HMS didn't miss a beat. Makes one wonder if Hendrick had a "plan B" in place prior to the rule change. Wouldn't surprise me.
 
Your getting it, so do you or don't you want to preload the bar to stay within the guidelines of the rule? Or maybe just use a creative way to get around it completely?
If there's 1" of stagger in the car, and the arm is perpendicular to the ground, the arm is no longer perpendicular to the car. Also, where does it say the arm must be straight? If 1" of a 5" arm is perpendicular to the ground, does that count?
 
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