NFL lockout, starting to look like a sure thing now

What a shame the GREEDY Bastages can't agree on how to split 2 or 6 BILLION Dollars.
 
Andy that was one day that was cancelled, they will be back at it in a few weeks. Think about this, the NFL is the most popular sport in the USA, makes the most money, has a huge viewership.....do you really think the owners are going to throw away an entire season? Lose all that money, not to mention the money the players will lose too. I still feel that there will be an agreement in place by June, there is way too much money on the line and profits to let the season get thrown away.
 
i don't see a lockout happening. i don't know about an agreement by june but both players and owners would be stupid to delay/cancel the upcoming season. from what i've read it is the owners wanting a bigger cut of the pie driving all of this. pure greed imo.
 
Didn't a similar thing happen in baseball not all that long ago?

I think it's disgusting owners want more yet it's the taxpayers that pay for their stadiums.
 
The players have virtually no leverage here. They will stop getting medical coverage and any payments they may have coming next month when the current CBA runs out. The players will cave very soon thereafter and the owners know it. Very few players manage their money very well and many can't afford for this to last very long at all and the owners know that too. I read last night that they are fighting over $9 BILLION. It is hard for me to believe that they can't figure out how to split that much money. Another thing the NFL has going for it is that they used replacement players once upon a time and it worked out very well or them. Most fans still watched the games and since there were games, all those tickets sold stayed sold. They can always do that again and the players know that too.
 
Benevolent One said:
The players have virtually no leverage here. They will stop getting medical coverage and any payments they may have coming next month when the current CBA runs out. The players will cave very soon thereafter and the owners know it. Very few players manage their money very well and many can't afford for this to last very long at all and the owners know that too. I read last night that they are fighting over $9 BILLION. It is hard for me to believe that they can't figure out how to split that much money. Another thing the NFL has going for it is that they used replacement players once upon a time and it worked out very well or them. Most fans still watched the games and since there were games, all those tickets sold stayed sold. They can always do that again and the players know that too.
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I don't think you will see fans take to kindly to replacement players in this day and age, not do i think the players will allow that to happen. What you say is true about the players, but the main thing is a quality product, loosing sponsor dollars, and gate attendance, especially season ticket holders. If that is lost with a strike/lockout it is hard to get back. I see the season happening with an agreement in place.
 
SST55 said:
Didn't a similar thing happen in baseball not all that long ago?

I think it's disgusting owners want more yet it's the taxpayers that pay for their stadiums.
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That's what sickens me about the NFL. These people make billions of dollars, they can pay for their stadiums and pay their teams' salaries.

Los Angeles, which cannot afford to pay it's teachers' salaries, is planning on leasing land to an NFL team for $1/year. Guess who would absorb the costs of that team?

And while the taxpayers basically pay for the stadiums and, in some cases, 100% of the players' salaries, guess who pockets the profit?
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
That's what sickens me about the NFL. These people make billions of dollars, they can pay for their stadiums and pay their teams' salaries.

Los Angeles, which cannot afford to pay it's teachers' salaries, is planning on leasing land to an NFL team for $1/year. Guess who would absorb the costs of that team?

And while the taxpayers basically pay for the stadiums and, in some cases, 100% of the players' salaries, guess who pockets the profit?
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The NFL has really turned me off right now.After seeing all the greedy crap that goes on during Super Bowl weeks.Since we hosted our first and hopefully last one.
 
mike honcho said:
The NFL has really turned me off right now.After seeing all the greedy crap that goes on during Super Bowl weeks.Since we hosted our first and hopefully last one.
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And I bet the taxpayers in Arlington absorb 90% of the cost while Jerry Jones and the NFL pocket 100% of the profit.
 
It looks to me like many here are siding with millionaires. I feel sorry for many of the players who have their lives interrupted by a football injury, but from where I stand, I see a whole lot more people in the work force that have injuries that change their lives as well, but have never made anywhere near the money that the average NFL player makes. Don't get me wrong, these guys are worth every cent they can get from the owners, but every one of them know the dangers of this sport and what can happen. This is a gladiator sport and the public pays to see the violence of the sport. Everyone of those guys can purchase an insurance policy that will take care of them for life if they so choose, but most of them are not smart enough to even understand that.

The average salary for an NFL player in 2009 was 770,000. Interestingly enough, the highest average that year was the Steelers at 1.1 million while the lowest average was the Packers at 440,000. The average career of an NFL player is 3 years, so keeping that in mind, the average Packer made less than a million after taxes. But let's make this a whole lot easier. The minimum salary for that year was 310,000. So let's say that the average rookie is 22 or even 23 years old. By the time he is 26, he has cleared over a half million dollars. Just for comparison, are there anyone here on this forum that has cleared a half a mil over a period of three years?

Okay, okay, so the owners make a bazillion more bucks than the players. Who fronts the money for these teams? Are they greedy? Are the players greedy? Why do so many people feel sorry for those who will clear more than a half million bucks over a three year period (the lowest of all NFL players)? Our society is so fixed at griping about big business they give athletes, actors etal a pass? The players have a choice to strike if they want, and the owners have a choice to shut them out if they so choose. Whatever happens, both sides will lose. Tell me, will you feel sorry for Albert Haynesworth?

Mopar, you say people won't watch scabs play. I've heard that before and those who said it were wrong.
 
buckaroo said:
It looks to me like many here are siding with millionaires. I feel sorry for many of the players who have their lives interrupted by a football injury, but from where I stand, I see a whole lot more people in the work force that have injuries that change their lives as well, but have never made anywhere near the money that the average NFL player makes. Don't get me wrong, these guys are worth every cent they can get from the owners, but every one of them know the dangers of this sport and what can happen. This is a gladiator sport and the public pays to see the violence of the sport. Everyone of those guys can purchase an insurance policy that will take care of them for life if they so choose, but most of them are not smart enough to even understand that.

The average salary for an NFL player in 2009 was 770,000. Interestingly enough, the highest average that year was the Steelers at 1.1 million while the lowest average was the Packers at 440,000. The average career of an NFL player is 3 years, so keeping that in mind, the average Packer made less than a million after taxes. But let's make this a whole lot easier. The minimum salary for that year was 310,000. So let's say that the average rookie is 22 or even 23 years old. By the time he is 26, he has cleared over a half million dollars. Just for comparison, are there anyone here on this forum that has cleared a half a mil over a period of three years?

Okay, okay, so the owners make a bazillion more bucks than the players. Who fronts the money for these teams? Are they greedy? Are the players greedy? Why do so many people feel sorry for those who will clear more than a half million bucks over a three year period (the lowest of all NFL players)? Our society is so fixed at griping about big business they give athletes, actors etal a pass? The players have a choice to strike if they want, and the owners have a choice to shut them out if they so choose. Whatever happens, both sides will lose. Tell me, will you feel sorry for Albert Haynesworth?

Mopar, you say people won't watch scabs play. I've heard that before and those who said it were wrong.
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I think when it happened the last time with the scabs, the sentiment and the era was totally different, we didn't have all the information to the players at our finger tips like we do today. I don't think fans will put up with scabs playing the game, they want the best, they want their team to field the best team they possibly can. Season ticket holders paying oodles of cash for their tickets aren't going to want to go to a game to see scrubs play. I won't watch, I didn't watch last time it happened, basically the games were meaningless to me.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I think when it happened the last time with the scabs, the sentiment and the era was totally different, we didn't have all the information to the players at our finger tips like we do today. I don't think fans will put up with scabs playing the game, they want the best, they want their team to field the best team they possibly can. Season ticket holders paying oodles of cash for their tickets aren't going to want to go to a game to see scrubs play. I won't watch, I didn't watch last time it happened, basically the games were meaningless to me.
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And then there's the big money invloved in fantasy football. Thats driven by the big names of the sport, not by the no-name replacement players.
 
I'm siding with the taxpayers. They don't deserve to get ****ed the way they are because the owners and players want more money at their expense.

I hope the NFL folds over this.
 
VaDirt said:
And then there's the big money invloved in fantasy football. Thats driven by the big names of the sport, not by the no-name replacement players.
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Good point , I didn't even think of that angle.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I think when it happened the last time with the scabs, the sentiment and the era was totally different, we didn't have all the information to the players at our finger tips like we do today. I don't think fans will put up with scabs playing the game, they want the best, they want their team to field the best team they possibly can. Season ticket holders paying oodles of cash for their tickets aren't going to want to go to a game to see scrubs play. I won't watch, I didn't watch last time it happened, basically the games were meaningless to me.
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fans aren't in the mood to watch billionaire owners and millionaire players fighting over who gets the most of too high ticket prices, parking, memorabilia, etc. that the average football fan can't afford to pay. they will be pissed. pissed off fans aren't good for any sport. they just might say see ya.
 
SlowNeasy said:
fans aren't in the mood to watch billionaire owners and millionaire players fighting over who gets the most of too high ticket prices, parking, memorabilia, etc. that the average football fan can't afford to pay. they will be pissed. pissed off fans aren't good for any sport. they just might say see ya.
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What was the average attendance across the NFL vs the other sports, TV revenue, all that goes along with it....I'd be willing to bet the NFL had the best attendance and generated more revenue than all of them. I just can't see either side risking all that money, letting it slip away. The NFL is huge, very popular here in the USA and even in parts of Europe. When we are talking billions, not millions of dollars at stake, an agreement will be reached to insure that money is made. What would these networks fill the time slots with in the fall if there is no NFL? People won't pay to watch minor league or scab players. If in fact they do strike or lockout for an entire season people will be chomping at the bit the following year for REAL football.
 
stupidity never ceases to amaze me. so will there be a partial/full nfl season this year? to tell the truth i honestly don't care.
 
I really thought they would get this done, but it doesn't look very good now. If there isn't a season College football ratings will go sky high for sure, I'll certainly miss it if it isn't on on Sunday.
 
Benevolent One said:
The players have virtually no leverage here. They will stop getting medical coverage and any payments they may have coming next month when the current CBA runs out. The players will cave very soon thereafter and the owners know it. Very few players manage their money very well and many can't afford for this to last very long at all and the owners know that too. I read last night that they are fighting over $9 BILLION. It is hard for me to believe that they can't figure out how to split that much money. Another thing the NFL has going for it is that they used replacement players once upon a time and it worked out very well or them. Most fans still watched the games and since there were games, all those tickets sold stayed sold. They can always do that again and the players know that too.
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It goes both ways no one held guns to the owners heads forcing them to pay players way too much money in the 1st place. At one point it became a bragging point for owners to say they had the highest paid player on their team and it became a bidding war to see who could pay the most for a player. Now it's biting them in the a$$. As far as playing 18 games I don't see what the players are bit¢hing about, all they are doing is taking 2 of the preseason games and making them count. Watching 4 preseason games was boring as all get out.
 
I find it amusing that these guys are following all the same scripts as we always hear in these type of negotiations. They each say the other side is not negotiating in good faith. They each say they are trying to help the fans. I do think it is a BS move by the union to decertify because they know they don't have the leverage to win in negotiations and they know the players will cave quickly. I just don't like the legal precedent it sets if it works.

That being said, I don't really have a rooting interest in the whole thing other than the game coming back, and hopefully soon so that the Cleveland Browns can have enough time to teach their players the entirely new offense and defense that the new coaching staff is going to use. I really don't think either side is dumb enough to kill the golden goose. They know they have the biggest money maker in sports. I figure this will all work out and we will have football to watch. If we don't, it won't be the end of the world. When this is done, one set of millionaires will be a little richer and another set will be a little less rich, but still not exactly struggling with real life issues like we face on a daily basis.
 
Benevolent One said:
When this is done, one set of millionaires will be a little richer and another set will be a little less rich, but still not exactly struggling with real life issues like we face on a daily basis.
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There will always be those who are not smart enough to take care of their money and will be in dire straights within months. We've seen it happen time and time again when an ex-pro has to sell his Super Bowl ring, or trophy or whatever. It isn't necessarily the player's fault, though they should know from the beginning that hangers and agents will suck them dry if allowed. The smart players, which is probably the biggest majority, will be okay I believe and so will the owners.
 
I have absolutely no sympathy for either side on this lockout.

I do empathize with those "NASCAR fans" who "watch" only up until the start of the NFL season, and then lose interest. And there are a lot of them.

Imagine that, following the Sprint Cup series and it's championship races until the season finale at Homestead.

Who does that?
 
nascage said:
I have absolutely no sympathy for either side on this lockout.

I do empathize with those "NASCAR fans" who "watch" only up until the start of the NFL season, and then lose interest. And there are a lot of them.

Imagine that, following the Sprint Cup series and it's championship races until the season finale at Homestead.

Who does that?
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me
 
nascage said:
I have absolutely no sympathy for either side on this lockout.

I do empathize with those "NASCAR fans" who "watch" only up until the start of the NFL season, and then lose interest. And there are a lot of them.

Imagine that, following the Sprint Cup series and it's championship races until the season finale at Homestead.

Who does that?
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Some people are still very upset about the Chase. And, quite honestly, the football games are already in the 3rd quarter by the time the green flag waves.
 
maybe, but nothing is being done. i've yet to see an explanation on how the draft can go ahead when there is no cba and no union. every potential draft choice should be a free agent, period. without a cba the draft reeks of collusion and anti-trust violations. everyone not currently under contract should automatically be free agents also and theoretically able to negotiate any deal he can get, without compensation to his previous team.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=6439599
...Attorneys for the players had dismissed the NFL's argument that it risks either violating antitrust laws by coming up with new league rules without a collective bargaining agreement in place or harming its competitive balance by allowing a potential free agency free-for-all.

"If the NFL defendants are faced with a dilemma, they put themselves in that position by repeatedly imposing rules and restrictions that violate the antitrust laws," the attorneys wrote. "Any alleged predicament is of their own making."

The solution, the players argued, is to simply implement a system that does not violate antitrust laws.

Nelson agreed.

"Again, the NFL argues it will suffer irreparable harm because it is now 'forced to choose between the irreparable harm of unrestricted free agency or the irreparable harm of more treble damages lawsuits," Nelson wrote. "But no such Scylla-or- Charybdis choice exists here. There is no injunction in place preventing the NFL from exercising, under its hoped-for protection of the labor laws, any of its rights to negotiate terms and conditions of employment, such as free agency."

The NFL will now place its hopes with the 8th Circuit, viewed as a more friendly venue to the league than the federal courts in Minnesota....
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anybody else have a feeling the nfl owners are headed for a smackdown?
 
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