No more restrictor plates...

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smack500

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Me and lap3 were talking and we both think they should stop useing restrictor plates I notice alot of you feel the same way. I was thinking of starting a online petition would any of you sign it. Also if you want to do this, I need a volunter to make up the petition text. Make it look profestional becuase if we get enough signatures Ill get it submitted to nascar HQ.
 
I believe NASCAR is a private entity......they can and do do what they want. A petition might help them to let them know what fans think, but what's the incentive for them to change? Are we going to boycott the restrictor plate tracks? Dega and Daytona are sell outs every year so that would only open up more seats to the people who like restrictor plate races. Think NBC/TNT or FOX/FX will stop carrying the those races? Even if half of us quit watching those races, there is still plenty of viewers for the advertisers to advertise too. I'm not overly fond of restrictor plate races but, hey, I'll watch them........just like I do the road courses (not all that fond of them either). What needs to happen is for some way to slow the cars down and make a safer race without the restrictor plates.......reducing the banking, ripping up the tracks and reconfiguring them are just two ways. But that is extremely expensive and I doubt if that is going to happen anytime soon. The other alternative is to petition the drivers and get them to "boycott" the races.........but do you think that will ever happen?
 
Well Im not sure what Nascar could do to slow these cars up enough. I think that they do need to make some changes to get rid of the side by side racing, but I doubt that Plates will be gone...
 
hey it cant hurt lol they might figure it could even get them more viewers if we get enough signatures. Who knows
 
I dont know if I wanna see a strike because then they might use that to get more salary ..
 
Originally posted by smack500
I dont know if I wanna see a strike because then they might use that to get more salary ..

Did I mention strike or more money? The drivers have to make an effort here too...........and I've yet to see much on their part. Maybe they actually like the plate races......it is entertainment you know. A dangerous sport and I'm sure they know what it's about much more than you or I...........or 99% of fans.:)
 
didn't someone try to start a petition about whatever a while back?

#1...signing on a public forum is dangerous...exposes too much info.

#2...won't stop plates
 
if they took the plates and through them in the can there would be no side by side racing.

but i still say go back to 'STOCK CARS" and nothing STOCK about a STOCK car. the hood trunk and top are not look at a ford street and then a food nas car not the same. same with the dodge. but the chevy and ponitac look all most stock. but the hood is flard out and looks a little bigger.
 
Assuming such a petition would influence NASCAR to remove the restrictor plates, without some solid plan of steps to provide competitve racing and keep speeds at or near their current levels such a thought if fruitless.

I'm sure many tire of my references to the past, but it is from the past that many of todays policies and regulations draw their sustenance. So first a look back at one of the early challenges to the very existence of NASCAR, the second one actually but most germaine to this issue.

May 19, 1957 there was a 250 mile Grand National event run at the Martinsville Speedway. Billy Meyers was leading the race in his Mercury when he collided with a lapped car driven by Tom Pistone. Meyers' Mercury was sent spinning and cannonballed through the guard rail and a fence becoming airborne. It never should have happened. There was a big sign right there that clearly read "NO Spectators". But there were people gathered around that area to enjoy an up close view of the race and Meyers car struck seven of them. Four people were seriously injured, including an eight year old boy who suffered critical head injuries. The race was red flagged to let the medics attend to the injured and never resumed because of rain. The wire services and other media quickly broadcast the tragedy in time for the evening news and morning papers. Most accounts included a note that Meyers was driving a Mercury, and that's not the sort of publicity the auto maker needed. In retrospect it seems difficult to lay blame at the feet or Meyers or Mercury, and fault lays with whatever adult bought the little boy into such a dangerous area, but the car companies were horrified and even those besides Mercury knew that the next such incident might involve one of their cars.

A few weeks later the AMA met, and on June 6th, 1957 they reached an accord. All the major auto manufacturers agreed that they would no longer have any association with or support auto racing of any sort. Overnight all that factory support money dried up. There was real concern if stock car racing could survive without that factory money, because even then, as today, the race purses alone just weren't enough to support a team even if they ran well. That complaint seems to have been around as long as NASCAR. But at that critical juncture, with the future of his sanctioning body at stake Bill France stepped into the void and immediately convinced promoters that they needed to increase their purses if the sport wanted to survive, and NASCAR itself guaranteed that any team that came to a race would earn at least 300 dollars. 300 dollars, "Travel money" as it was called, may not sound like much but racing was much cheaper then. The payment of Travel money cost NASCAR a good chunk of it's profits, but Bill France had enough foresight to see he was investing in the future of his sport, and that investment eased the transition of the sport after the factories packed up their fat wallets and went home.

One of the reasons that NASCAR continues to mandate the unpopular restrictor plate rules is a fear once again a race car could go into the crowd, which once again could put the future of auto racing at stake. A horrific accident would no doubt once again set the short sighted politicians and gloom and doom safety advocates scrambling for a seat on the bandwagon to ban auto racing, and the media into a feeding frenzy of lop sided reporting with lurid footage of the accident. The ability to participate in and watch the sport we love may seem a freedom guaranteed to us all, but the cost of freedom is eternal vigilance.

With the ever growing litigousness of todays society, even if the politicians, manufacturers, sponsors and press could be endured, the rash of lawsuits and civil actions brought against the sanctioning body could very well bankrupt the sport entirely. And the sad fact is that most lawsuits would be likely be won. NASCAR has through its actions tacitly admitted the possibility of a racing vehicle entering the stands at the speeds un restricted cars would be capable of. Add that events of the 80's demostrated that fact even further and a very legitimate basis for negligence is established.

NASCAR to its credit is working hard to find an answer to the plate problem. The testing which has gone on at Daytona and its sceduled to continue is pursuit of just such a resolution. The simple act of removing the restrictor plates is in IMHO not viable.
 
Lappy, I remember seeing the races at Dega and Daytona before restrictor plates......those cars were so fast that they would actually fly if they were in the slightest way upset. Totally unacceptable for any type of racing. The roof flaps helped but still at over 200 mph any air get under the car and it would flip backwards. NASCAR came up the restrictor plates and it was hailed by many to be the best thing they could ever do in the interest of safety.......the aero stuff of recent years is what makes the restrictor plates so dangerous. They are still going nearly 200 mph but they are really bunched up and one car wrecks are just not the thing that happens anymore.......it's "the big one". Restrictor plates have outgrown their use........something else needs to be done (and no one has come up with anything practical to take their place).

Returning to truly stock looking cars isn't the answer either. It's a problem of speed and lift.......you get air under those cars and you go fast enough they fly!! What stock looking car have you seen that has an inch or less of ground clearance? Something needs to be done......but until that something is discovered, I guess we will have to live with restrictor plates.
 
Seriously HS, I have never tired of your knowledge or facts on the history of racing.
I believe plates were a good idea at the time, but there has to be a better way than smaller fuel cells and plates.
What do you think about a totally radical change in body/aero/HP/weight, etc. only for Daytona and Talledega? I know it would be expensive but could be the future of such tracks.
Personally, I wouldn't mind loosing 1 date at each in favor of adding 1 more road race and 1 at KY.
 
I think the package will have to involve all aspects of the car. Aero, HP, Chassis and Tires. This seems to exactly what the powers that be are working on now. The expense will just have to be borne, though I don't know for sure that a really good answer will only have to apply to Daytona and Talledega. It could be suitable for all the larger and faster tracks.

The first steps are underway with the tests at Daytona last month and the next scheduled test. The results will not eliminate the plates completely. but could go a long ways to breaking up the packs and putting the racing back in the hands of the drivers and crews.

Look for new rules and better racing at Daytona in February.
 
Thanks again HS. Dega and Daytona just scare me as is, and I honestly believe some serious changes are needed. Too bad Nascar doesn't release more info to the general public. PURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
 
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