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Waltrip had Roush part, refutes notion it was stolen
By Raygan Swan, NASCAR.COM
March 29, 2008
03:58 PM EDT

type size: + -MARTINSVILLE, Va. -- Like others in the NASCAR garage, Michael Waltrip is making light of Jack Roush's allegation that his team may have maliciously stolen a proprietary part -- a sway bar -- from Roush-Fenway Racing last season.

Inside the Martinsville Speedway media center Saturday morning, Waltrip, owner of Michael Waltrip Racing, admitted he had the part, however, he said "no one went to [Roush's] toolbox and swiped his sway bar."


Bain of his existence
When Jack Roush says he doesn't like Toyota in NASCAR, he isn't kidding. Now comes accusations of a stolen swaybar directed at one of the manufacturer's teams. While some may be laughing, Joe Menzer writes its Roush who needs a good chuckle.

Complete story, click here
Furthermore, Waltrip said if anyone had any more questions to go ask Jeff Gordon, the Hendrick Motorsports driver who contends the incident, now referred to as "Partgate," has been blown out of proportion.

"Our spokesperson on this subject is Jeff Gordon, so if y'all have anything to ask go ask Jeff. I don't think I could've said it near as well as he did," Waltrip said.

Tongue-in-cheek, Gordon said, "I think we should investigate more. I think we should get the FBI involved."

Both Gordon and Waltrip said that after post-race inspections parts are left lying around and at times get picked up or even mixed up. Mistakes are made and Waltrip said the part was returned to Roush without dramatics or under any threat from the Roush organization.

"The told us, hey you have our sway bar and we said, 'we do?' ... it was laying in a storage room somewhere," said Waltrip, a Toyota owner who said he learned his team had the part in January.

Two opinions are being exchanged around the NASCAR garage this weekend in Martinsville. On one hand, some are of the opinion Roush, a Ford-supported operation, is being over-dramatic while others feel the allegation is substantial and when a noted team owner talks of a lawsuit, it should be taken seriously.

Waltrip said, "He [Roush] feels like he was wronged and that is his prerogative and I respect that man," said Waltrip, before adding, "I hope we don't dignify this with a whole lot of time and effort ... this is not intellectual espionage."

On Friday, Roush held a lengthy news conference explaining his frustration about the missing sway bar (Garage Pass), which he said is not subject to NASCAR teardown in post-inspection.

"It was not a part that would have been mixed up with other Toyota parts, a front anti-roll sway bar ... we designed our own part and we did an analysis of it. We optimized the torsional effect of it with minimizing the weight of it through heat treating ...," Roush said.

The sway bar had a distinctive paint job, was numbered and uniquely configured, Roush continued.

"They wouldn't fit somebody else's car unless they copied it," he added. "The other team, the non-descript Toyota team, went behind my toolbox and took my bar out of my inventory and put it with their inventory and took it home with them. That's the fact."

Still, Waltrip maintains his innocence and said on an average race weekend there are more than 70 racing vehicles in a NASCAR garage and that parts get strewn about and mistakes are made.

"If I truly felt if someone purposely got it for any specific reason, I could see why he's upset," Waltrip said.

Upon the return of his sway bar, Roush believes the appearance of the part was altered and said the incident has yet to be resolved.

"We are still considering what, if any, legal action we'll seek in the public sector," he said.
 
I'm sure he either confused it with his own numbered parts or the culprit who dumped in the jet fuel is at it again and trying to set him up.

Defer the situation to Jeff Gordon - nicely done, Mikey.

As far as Waltrip and his "spokesperson" go, I'd put that swaybar in a place where no one would find it - painted, numbered or not.

Either way, they've served notice that is okay to steal from RFR so I guess we'll have to wait and see if it's cool to do it the rest.
 
I'm sure he either confused it with his own numbered parts or the culprit who dumped in the jet fuel is at it again and trying to set him up.

Defer the situation to Jeff Gordon - nicely done, Mikey.

As far as Waltrip and his "spokesperson" go, I'd put that swaybar in a place where no one would find it - painted, numbered or not.

Either way, they've served notice that is okay to steal from RFR so I guess we'll have to wait and see if it's cool to do it the rest.

Wait a second.

You've got one guy claiming the part was stolen, and then we have at least two other guys saying; "during tear down inspection parts are everywhere, and it's easy to get them mixed up (sic)", and one of the "two other guys" happens to be a guy that's not involved in any way, yet we're supposed to just say; "Welp, Jack said it was stolen, musta been stolen - LOCK EEM UP!"

That is a completely ridiculous notion.

I said in the other thread that I have a lot of respect for Jack, I respect the fact he's got the sack to say what he thinks. However, you cannot sit here and just blindly believe what an emotional accuser has to say, in any situation. He's openly stated he didn't want Toyota in the series. He openly has a beef with their GM. (Aust I think?) He is also making this accusation as an obvious reaction to Toyota allegations he rigged his oil tank. On top of all that, this happened a YEAR AGO, and his accusation conveniently comes after the oil tank debacle? So, there's NO WAY you can say "they stole from RFR" ; case closed, they got screwed.

I don't have a dog in the fight. As far as I'm concerned Toyota v Roush, or Toyota v Ford can spiral out of control and become a huge distraction for those teams, I could care less; my boy drives Chevy :). However, I'm making the point because we can't just blindly believe anyone in the garage. It doesn't matter if it's Richard Petty, or the rookie qualifying for his first race. Everyone needs to be on even turf, and I think in this case, if it was a newer team, or someone else - no one would be even talking about it.
 
Great reading never the less! Its always something with somebody in NASCAR. Gotta love it! :bigfight:
 
Wait a second.

You've got one guy claiming the part was stolen, and then we have at least two other guys saying; "during tear down inspection parts are everywhere, and it's easy to get them mixed up (sic)", and one of the "two other guys" happens to be a guy that's not involved in any way, yet we're supposed to just say; "Welp, Jack said it was stolen, musta been stolen - LOCK EEM UP!"

That is a completely ridiculous notion.

I said in the other thread that I have a lot of respect for Jack, I respect the fact he's got the sack to say what he thinks. However, you cannot sit here and just blindly believe what an emotional accuser has to say, in any situation. He's openly stated he didn't want Toyota in the series. He openly has a beef with their GM. (Aust I think?) He is also making this accusation as an obvious reaction to Toyota allegations he rigged his oil tank. On top of all that, this happened a YEAR AGO, and his accusation conveniently comes after the oil tank debacle? So, there's NO WAY you can say "they stole from RFR" ; case closed, they got screwed.

I don't have a dog in the fight. As far as I'm concerned Toyota v Roush, or Toyota v Ford can spiral out of control and become a huge distraction for those teams, I could care less; my boy drives Chevy :). However, I'm making the point because we can't just blindly believe anyone in the garage. It doesn't matter if it's Richard Petty, or the rookie qualifying for his first race. Everyone needs to be on even turf, and I think in this case, if it was a newer team, or someone else - no one would be even talking about it.

Then how did MRW come into possession of a part that was clearly not theirs? Mix up? The part was numbered and painted.

Yes, your honour, I got that Black 2008 Silverado confused with my own 1994Green S-10. That's why it's in my driveway.

I didn't say to lock anyone up - those are your words.

As for the oil tank...does Toyota have any proof that is tampered with?

People sure as heck want to believe it was, as does Nascar.

What we have here is people wanting to believe anything bad about Roush but then turn a blind eye to numerous/varied infractions by other owners.

Well, I'll tell ya' right now that I'll stand up for Roush and just because there are only a few of us here wont stop me for a second.
 
I have nothing against Jack R. The only problem I'm having is with the way this is being played out with the media.

I don't understand why this story is just now coming out. If Jack got the part back in January, and he didn't even know it was missing until then, why now?
 
Then how did MRW come into possession of a part that was clearly not theirs? Mix up? The part was numbered and painted.

Yes, your honour, I got that Black 2008 Silverado confused with my own 1994Green S-10. That's why it's in my driveway.

To use to whole vehicles as a metaphor is silly. I would liken to your car keys being next to someone else's on a table. You're in a hurry, maybe at work on your way to lunch, you snag 'your' keys and head to the parking lot. Once there you go to unlock your car; "damn, these aren't mine." Then, you return them.

Which in this case however, the employee's keys you accidentally picked up waits until after you accuse him of cheating in the March Madness office pool to tell everyone you tried to steal his car last summer.

That scenario is a whole-helluva-lot closer to what we actually have here, whether you like it or not.

I didn't say to lock anyone up - those are your words.

That's your attitude.

As for the oil tank...does Toyota have any proof that is tampered with?

No, and who said they did?

I hate to answer a question with a question, but to make a point; Where is Roush's evidence they purposely stole this part?

People sure as heck want to believe it was, as does Nascar.

What we have here is people wanting to believe anything bad about Roush but then turn a blind eye to numerous/varied infractions by other owners.

No they don't. Just because I don't wear a 6 or 99 hat doesn't make me 'want to turn a blind eye'. I'm just not drinking the Roush Kool-Aid. Quite frankly, I don't believe either of them. I think it's a vendetta by two old-farts that can't settle it on the track so they want to use the media to toss barbs at one another.

Well, I'll tell ya' right now that I'll stand up for Roush and just because there are only a few of us here wont stop me for a second.

I don't want to stop you, but don't expect for a minute that I'll let silly one-sided ramblings regarding a subject I have an opinion on to go un-responded to.

I have nothing against Jack R. The only problem I'm having is with the way this is being played out with the media.

I don't understand why this story is just now coming out. If Jack got the part back in January, and he didn't even know it was missing until then, why now?

Because Jack is pissed they said he cheated, period.
 
Lets not be naive. The Easter Bunny didn't put the part in Mikey's tool box.
 
Lets not be naive. The Easter Bunny didn't put the part in Mikey's tool box.

If that's aimed at me; I'm hardly naive. However, we have other crews stating this happens. Could they have stolen the part knowing what it was, who's it was, and tried to duplicate it?

Yes.

However, according to drivers/teams not involved; do parts get mixed up, are parts laying all over the garage during these tear downs, is it possible to pick up a part thinking it's yours and it not be?

Yes.

I reiterate-

Quite frankly, I don't believe either of them. I think it's a vendetta by two old-farts that can't settle it on the track so they want to use the media to toss barbs at one another.

And that's my biggest point. If it was such a huge deal NASCAR would be involved, and they're not. In fact, it seems as if they don't even care. Why?

...it's a vendetta by two old-farts that can't settle it on the track so they want to use the media to toss barbs at one another.

:)
 
I usually don't like to get involved in all this arguing but here is my opinion whether anyone wants to hear it or not. OK here is what it boils down to: Jack Roush is a crybaby and always has been. I still haven't forgiven him for accusing Gordon and Evernham of soaking tires. They were beating him Mikey isn't so what is his problem.
 
I usually don't like to get involved in all this arguing but here is my opinion whether anyone wants to hear it or not. OK here is what it boils down to: Jack Roush is a crybaby and always has been. I still haven't forgiven him for accusing Gordon and Evernham of soaking tires. They were beating him Mikey isn't so what is his problem.

The problem's with Toyota's GM or whatever. Mikey just happens to be the card Jack's been holding on to waiting for Toyota to take a shot at him. They did. So, he played it.

As far as the soaking tires thing. You don't laugh at all that now? Honestly, it makes me grin everytime someone talks about it. I mean really, it just showed utter and silly desparation.

Here you go:

:cheers:

We can let it go now. :)
 
The problem's with Toyota's GM or whatever. Mikey just happens to be the card Jack's been holding on to waiting for Toyota to take a shot at him. They did. So, he played it.

As far as the soaking tires thing. You don't laugh at all that now? Honestly, it makes me grin everytime someone talks about it. I mean really, it just showed utter and silly desparation.

Here you go:

:cheers:

We can let it go now. :)

I do laugh about it now. Still everytime I see the face of The Cat In The Hat I remember it. LOL

:punkrocke
 
why would any team want a sway bar from another team that was clearly struggling with the new cars last September?
Why wasn't Jack crying about this back in January?
And who called who first back in January? did Waltrip call Roush and say I think we have your part? or did Roush call Waltrip and say do you have it?
Gordon is right call the FBI.
I sure am getting a lot of laughs out of this.
:beerbang::beerbang::beerbang:
 
Despite all the hype, I don't think that this is really going to turn out to be anything. If the person who took the part did it on purpose, I think they simply should be fired and lose their NASCAR hard card. In reality, I bet that nothing is going to happen. Roush is just making this a bigger deal than what it really is.
 
From Jayski.com:
Roush Fenway Racing doesn't plan any legal action against MWR: Roush Fenway Racing doesn't plan to take legal action against Michael Waltrip Racing for what it characterized as the theft of a sway bar unless there is evidence that the piece has been duplicated. Team president Geoff Smith said the issue would not have surfaced at all had Toyota general manager Lee White not insinuated that Roush's team of Carl Edwards intentionally cheated at Las Vegas.(see full story at ESPN.com), so lets hope this whole thing is over.(3-30-2008)
 
From Jayski.com:
Roush Fenway Racing doesn't plan any legal action against MWR: Roush Fenway Racing doesn't plan to take legal action against Michael Waltrip Racing for what it characterized as the theft of a sway bar unless there is evidence that the piece has been duplicated. Team president Geoff Smith said the issue would not have surfaced at all had Toyota general manager Lee White not insinuated that Roush's team of Carl Edwards intentionally cheated at Las Vegas. (see full story at ESPN.com), so lets hope this whole thing is over.(3-30-2008)


Wow - they admitted it. They're even more juvenile than I thought.
 
From Jayski.com:
Roush Fenway Racing doesn't plan any legal action against MWR: Roush Fenway Racing doesn't plan to take legal action against Michael Waltrip Racing for what it characterized as the theft of a sway bar unless there is evidence that the piece has been duplicated. Team president Geoff Smith said the issue would not have surfaced at all had Toyota general manager Lee White not insinuated that Roush's team of Carl Edwards intentionally cheated at Las Vegas.(see full story at ESPN.com), so lets hope this whole thing is over.(3-30-2008)
Lovely.
 
Is it really any surprise though? When Lee White accused Roush Racing of cheating, the only way Roush could fight back was by making a scandal of an accident. There is no doubt that there is "intellectual theft" among teams, but this certainly wasn't the situation.
 
So it really is just two old farts (Jack roush & lee White} slinging cheap shots back and fourth.
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Gotta admit I really thought " torsional effect " was a good one.
 
So it really is just two old farts (Jack roush & lee White} slinging cheap shots back and fourth.
:XXROFL::XXROFL::XXROFL:

Unfortunately, that is what it looks like. I just don't understand how Jack Roush, one of the most respected owners in all of motorsports, can let his ego take place of his intelligence and let this thing get as out of control as it has.

The only plus side is that NASCAR is getting a lot of press as a result of all the controversies in the the first 6 weeks of the season.
 
I don't know who to believe in this situation. We have Mikey, who had some ridiculous story last year at Daytona and Jack Roush who points his finger at everyone.
 
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