Non-charter Cup teams that make Chase will have guaranteed starting spot

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New rule today.....

NASCAR on Tuesday announced a change to Sprint Cup Series race eligibility rules for non-charter teams that qualify for the championship Chase.

Effectively immediately, any team without a charter that qualifies for the Chase will be awarded a provisional starting position in every Chase race, guaranteeing the team will be able to compete for the championship through the 10-race Chase.

Currently, non-charter teams must qualify each week for the 40-car field based on speed. There are 36 starting positions for chartered teams and four “open” spots in the field.

This story and a couple other changes here.....

http://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cu...se-will-have-guaranteed-starting-spot-793281/
 
@jayski

new rule: Open #NASCAR Cup Series teams (no Charter, such as #21) that earn a berth in Chase guaranteed a starting spot for every Chase race
 
As of now this benefits no one. Maybe Ryan Blaney will get back in the chase but who knows?
 
In addition, NASCAR announced beginning with this weekend’s Coke Zero 400 at Daytona, current year owner points will replace practice speeds for determining race eligibility and starting position in the event qualifying is canceled.

Don't like this change mid-season and more specifically just before Daytona where qualifying could easily be rained out.
 
dave corthell said:
In addition, NASCAR announced beginning with this weekend’s Coke Zero 400 at Daytona, current year owner points will replace practice speeds for determining race eligibility and starting position in the event qualifying is canceled.

Don't like this change mid-season and more specifically just before Daytona where qualifying could easily be rained out.
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I read it as chase races only. Won't apply at Daytona.
 
dave corthell said:
In addition, NASCAR announced beginning with this weekend’s Coke Zero 400 at Daytona, current year owner points will replace practice speeds for determining race eligibility and starting position in the event qualifying is canceled.

Don't like this change mid-season and more specifically just before Daytona where qualifying could easily be rained out.
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I agree, practice speeds should be used not owners points.
 
dave corthell said:
In addition, NASCAR announced beginning with this weekend’s Coke Zero 400 at Daytona, current year owner points will replace practice speeds for determining race eligibility and starting position in the event qualifying is canceled.

Don't like this change mid-season and more specifically just before Daytona where qualifying could easily be rained out.
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I didn't like it back at Richmond when it was rained out and they sent Cool Whip home instead of that kid in the 93.

To be fair, though, I just don't like the charter system.
 
jws926 said:
I agree, practice speeds should be used not owners points.
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So you think a team that's only tried three races this year deserves a spot more than a team that's been showing up week in and week out?...
 
Roman Nodonyet said:
So you think a team that's only tried three races this year deserves a spot more than a team that's been showing up week in and week out?...
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Its not like that three week team is going to be sending home a top level team, we are talking about the four open spots.
 
Team Penske said:
A driver can show up half the season and still make a championship run.
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Only if they get a waiver. For instance, Jeffrey Earnhardt's not getting a waiver because Go FAS can't get enough sponsors to use one driver a year instead of nine...
 
jws926 said:
Its not like that three week team is going to be sending home a top level team, we are talking about the four open spots.
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So, basically, you're saying "screw backmarkers, we don't need them"? And what happens if NASCAR decides to strip the 41 of its charter because Kurt Busch steps out of line again? Are you still gonna be boohooing a rule that offers a full-seaosn open team protection against a rainstorm?
 
Strip one of Gene Haas' charters because a contract employee steps out of line?

Dream on.
 
Roman Nodonyet said:
So, basically, you're saying "screw backmarkers, we don't need them"? And what happens if NASCAR decides to strip the 41 of its charter because Kurt Busch steps out of line again? Are you still gonna be boohooing a rule that offers a full-seaosn open team protection against a rainstorm?
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I think NASCAR feels that they dont need back markers, not me, I hate the 40 car field and want to see it go back to 43 spots. But thats not the point, my point is this, you read way to much into what I said, and are trying to make a mountain out of a flat surface, I said I like practice speeds over owner points, that gives those back markers teams you are going on about a chance that they might not have if their owner points outside of 40th.


Look, owners points/ practice speeds, I really dont care all that much, it was just a reply, NASCAR going back to owners point is fine with me, I really wish NASCAR would just pick something and stick with it for more than a few years before changing it again.
 
Roman Nodonyet said:
So you think a team that's only tried three races this year deserves a spot more than a team that's been showing up week in and week out?...
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My point was more towards a unnecessary rule change during the season. Did the smart people that established the rule in the first place not think this through? Do they just come up with an idea and say, "Not sure how well that will work Jim Bob, let's give it a try and if we don't like it we can always change it during the year."
 
Looks like you got Nascar all figured out. They haven't progressed much since they did the point deal on a napkin. :)
 
...and one more thing, I am not sure this is a real positive for Blaney and the Wood Brothers. They are generally fast in practice and practice speeds would give them a good starting spot. BUT, if qualifying is rained out now, the charter teams are ALL placed ahead of the non charter teams, notwithstanding owners points for the Wood Brothers. See how NASCAR is actually helping the charter teams with this decision, not so much helping the 21 team?
 
dave corthell said:
BUT, if qualifying is rained out now, the charter teams are ALL placed ahead of the non charter teams, notwithstanding owners points for the Wood Brothers.
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Where did you get that? The announcement said "current year owner points will replace practice speeds for determining race eligibility and starting position in the event qualifying is canceled." Wood Brothers is 17th in owners points, so why do you say they would be placed behind 36 charter teams?
 
Question: if an unchartered team makes the Chase, but fails to advance beyond the first round, is it still guaranteed a provision through the rest of the Chase?

Sorry if this was answered in an earlier post.
 
No team is guaranteed a championship run after the first round. It does mean they can't finish worse than 16th which to me is a gift not earned. I am saying after race 26, any team should be able to race to a season top 10 finish if they are capable.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Where did you get that? The announcement said "current year owner points will replace practice speeds for determining race eligibility and starting position in the event qualifying is canceled." Wood Brothers is 17th in owners points, so why do you say they would be placed behind 36 charter teams?
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From everything I read including a post from Bob Pockrass and the Wood brothers, the top 36 charter teams are lined up first, then the non charter teams. So as in the case for Daytona this weekend, instead of using practice times, which Blaney was 4th, he will line up 37th if qualifying is rained out. Furthermore, they are 17th in owners points, but according to the Wood brothers they would start 37th.
As I said before, it really isn't about the Wood Brothers/Blaney, it is about giving the charter teams the
 
I might stand corrected...Now this from the Wood Brothers...What the heck do I know about NASCAR anyhow!

Beginning next week, if qualifying is cancelled the line-up will be set by owner points.
 
Team Penske said:
No team is guaranteed a championship run after the first round. It does mean they can't finish worse than 16th which to me is a gift not earned. I am saying after race 26, any team should be able to race to a season top 10 finish if they are capable.
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But the chartered teams will still start, regardless of championship eligibility. Will those non-chartered teams who were in the Chase have their provisional start all the way through the Chase, even if they fall out after one or two rounds?
 
There are 36 Charters and 4 open positions at every race. If you don't have a charter then you better be one of the top 4 fighting for a position. This is the rule. However if you are still in the chase at any round your points are going to get you into the race.

My big argument is that once you are "out of the chase" you should revert to your season long points and "NOT" have a top 16 guaranteed season finish. This would allow someone who had a bad start to the season ( not a charter team) race for points and position all 36 races.
 
Team owners should stay home once eliminated, especially the non chartered teams. Save some money and hope to come back next season with a better chance to compete. This should boost the sagging ratings. They would have just about the same chance of winning a race as they do if they showed up. ZERO. The stands are usually empty, why not the starting lineup/field? Or.......when you win a race, you have to give/sell that car to a 30th place or worse team.
 
jws926 said:
I think NASCAR feels that they dont need back markers, not me, I hate the 40 car field and want to see it go back to 43 spots. But thats not the point, my point is this, you read way to much into what I said, and are trying to make a mountain out of a flat surface, I said I like practice speeds over owner points, that gives those back markers teams you are going on about a chance that they might not have if their owner points outside of 40th.


Look, owners points/ practice speeds, I really dont care all that much, it was just a reply, NASCAR going back to owners point is fine with me, I really wish NASCAR would just pick something and stick with it for more than a few years before changing it again.
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Yeah, I have a history of reading way too much into what others say. And the announcement reminded me of how irritating it was to hear that OP/race attempts was the determining factor (as it will be starting at Kentucky) through much of the early season only to find out that practice speeds had a say again (and also how irritating it was for Ol' Cool Whip not to race at Richmond).

I would like them to go back on one rule (the Charter system) and then keep things the same for a few years. The aero changes, in particular, need to stop for awhile, and I'm inclined to think that they're another way to squeeze out the microbudget brigade (by spending them into bankruptcy just to keep their cars in line w/ the rules).
 
Charlie Spencer said:
But the chartered teams will still start, regardless of championship eligibility. Will those non-chartered teams who were in the Chase have their provisional start all the way through the Chase, even if they fall out after one or two rounds?
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I've been wondering about that too, Charlie, although it's not a matter of much importance. Have not seen that scenario addressed in any of the announcements.
 
Nascar has to wait and see what car will be the subject before making a rule.
 
rocket dawg said:
Team owners should stay home once eliminated, especially the non chartered teams. Save some money and hope to come back next season with a better chance to compete. This should boost the sagging ratings. They would have just about the same chance of winning a race as they do if they showed up. ZERO. The stands are usually empty, why not the starting lineup/field? Or.......when you win a race, you have to give/sell that car to a 30th place or worse team.
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This would actually cost them money, as they'd be making none from either sponsorships or race winnings that see little influence from their Chase standing.
 
It was a joke guys, its an empty lineup to match the empty stands joke. Although a cash poor team could really use a winning car to turn things around for them, again its a joke.
 
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