OK, The Baseball Report Is Out

[muggle not]

So where is Sosa and McQwire on the list. They seem to be missing.

 

[Digger]

So where is Sosa and McQwire on the list. They seem to be missing.

MLB has to save itself somehow. Did you hear them say they were going to do ... nothing about it?

 

[DanicaFan]

MLB has to save itself somehow. Did you hear them say they were going to do ... nothing about it?

Yes, but to be honest, what can they really do ? I mean the statute of limitations is probably key here. For those unsure what statute of limitations are, it means that there is only a certain amount of time charges can be filed on a person for a crime committed. The only charge as of this time that has no limitation is murder.

And other than a confession of the player who took them, what evidence is there if no drugs are found in thier system ?

Be a hard thing to prove, if not impossible to prove in a court of law without a confession by the so-called accused player.

 

[muggle not]

What ca they do. Take a look at what was done to Marion Jones.

 

[kat2220]

Kick all of them out of Hall of Fame running. Bonds still deserves an * with Hank Aaron as the legit HR KING!

 

[DanicaFan]

Kick all of them out of Hall of Fame running. Bonds still deserves an * with Hank Aaron as the legit HR KING!

Kicking them out of the Hall of Fame would be a disgrace to baseball. It doesnt need another hard blow to the sport.

These guys are professionals and adults. The way I see it, using performance enhancement drugs to improve your game is a personal choice for them.

 

[buckaroo]

I say we should disband baseball altogether. Everyone in the sport wants to cheat. No one's immune. We simply cannot allow anything other than what is natural in human life to get in the way of any type of sporting event. That will mean that glasses or contact lens will no longer be allowed. Those are only things that help what nature has made worse. Just think of the things that have allowed athletes to compete at levels much better than what nature has made them.

 

[muggle not]

Kicking them out of the Hall of Fame would be a disgrace to baseball. It doesnt need another hard blow to the sport.

These guys are professionals and adults. The way I see it, using performance enhancement drugs to improve your game is a personal choice for them.

Actually, baseball players have been prohibited from usually steroids since 1971 under the drug policy prohibiting the use of any prescription medication without a valid prescription....and....steroids were specifically included in Vincent's 1991 policy on drug use by players.

The disgrace is on the players that used performance enhancing drugs and it would be unfair to all the ballplayers that performed without cheating.
None of the players that used the drugs should be admitted into the Hall Of Fame and I personally believe that any record that was set by them should be erased or at the least an asterisk stating it was obtained while using performance drugs.

Marion Jones is a disgrace and so are the baseball players that falsified their performance.

 

[buckaroo]

None of the players that used the drugs should be admitted into the Hall Of Fame and I personally believe that any record that was set by them should be erased or at the least an asterisk stating it was obtained while using performance drugs.

Should the teams those players played on also have an asterisk? This report did nothing but open up a huge can of worms. Everyone has been wanting an asterisk behind Bond's name for homeruns, but if they do that, they can't stop there and again, how about the teams? How about the league?

 

[muggle not]

Sure it opened up a bag of worms but I am glad to see the players identified that played under performance enhancing drugs. What is needed is a strong commissioner that comes out and states....."This is the way it is gonna be"...
"All records or statistics by those players identified will have an asterisk". maybe what we need is another Mountain Landis. I believe that the sportswriters will exclude those players guilty from the Hall Of Fame.

let us not forget that most players did not use the drugs.

 

[Mopardh9]

I think this problem was a result of MLB turning a blind eye to it in order to generate more interest and ultimately profit. Players entering the twilite of their careers in some instances able to extend their careers 5-7 years. That amounts to a lot of money. Anyone that has ever played sports at higher level understands how you feel when you are reaching the point where you maybe have one or two good years left. I think for some it was wanting to play the sport they loved for another year or two. For the most part though it is greed and envy that has fueled their use of performance drugs. MLB let this go on for years to increase their revenues, so they are in my eye, just as guilty as the players. Now when all the dirt comes out MLB has to act, it truly is a sad state of affairs. Baseball is my favorite sport, probably for a lot of people here it is also. For me this hurts at a personal level, while many of the players on the list were not personal favorites of mine, it is still a gut check on the game i have loved since i was a little kid. I don't know if excluding these guys from the Hall is the solution, possibly creating a seperate category all together would work...i don't know. It makes you appreciate achievements of the non-cheaters all that much more. I hope Baseball can overcome this problem somehow and be the game we all used to love.

 

[muggle not]

I don't know if excluding these guys from the Hall is the solution, possibly creating a seperate category all together would work...i don't know. It makes you appreciate achievements of the non-cheaters all that much more. I hope Baseball can overcome this problem somehow and be the game we all used to love.

Amen!!! Not many remember for example the adversity that Maris played under with the fans when he was in a battle with Mantle in pursuit of Babe Ruth's home run record. They were 2 great ballplayers.

 

[kat2220]

Sounds like some of you approve of performance enhancing drugs or turn a blind eye.
Remember Pete Rose and the gambling scandal?

 

[buckaroo]

I heard an interesting something today that I want to ask of everyone. This person said that in his opinion, and I might add that I whole heartedly agree, that had these drugs been available in their day, the likes of Mickey Mantle, my only baseball hero and Babe Ruth would have both used them. I don't condone the use of the juices, but I do think we need to look and try to understand why they were being used. Yeah, yeah, yeah, to improve their skills, but there is a deeper reason than that. Why would they want to improve their skills when they were great to begin with? When it was first used, it was legal so at that point, I don't see any difference between doing that and as I mentioned before, wearing glasses. When it was made illegal, then that's a different story and of course, something must be done to stop it. But as most of us know, someone, somewhere will be able to make a product that can't be detected with todays means and for the same reason, there will be athletes who will use the product until they are found out. There's no difference in my mind between athletes juicing and Mikey Waltrip using jet fuel in his car. It's cheating and we all know that people are going to cheat, no matter what.

I find that the biggest roar over the juicing of players come from the fans and say they don't want their kids, or other kids to get the idea that they can do it if the pros do it. And of course, the sports writers are all a twitter on the subject as well, but take a minute and look at what has been happening in the sport of baseball. The stands are becoming full once again and imagine Yankee Stadium has averaged over 54,000 for every one of their home games. People are going to see those games and to see those big shot players, many of whom the fans already suspected of using the dope. So on one hand, you have the fans who yell and scream CHEAT, all the while filling the stands and paying the big bucks to watch those cheaters. It's intertainment and when there are more homeruns, more strikeouts, more stolen bases, and there are great races to see who has the most of those, people fill the stands.

Take the money out of the sports and you just might see most of this stuff go away.

 

[muggle not]

It is late at night and I have just got home from a wine tasting party where I had too many glasses. However, I am one that condemns those that took drugs. The game was at its heifgt basck in the 50's and 60's when no one even thought of performance enhancing drugs. Most players were more interested in drinking beer, which had nothing to do with enhanced performance. Chit....time to go to sleep.

Jeez, what was more exciting than mazerowski turning a double play or Clemente doing a basket catch or throwing out a runner at home. In this case the "good ole days were king".

 

[buckaroo]

Muggle, a little too much vino huh! Back in those days, the game was pure baseball, just as the racing was pure racing. Today, it's more of a business than anything and along with that comes the money factor. Baseball was king back in those days as it was really the only sport that was tops across the country. Today there is of course the NFL, the NBA, the NHL and NASCAR not to mention college sports. We have big huge stadiums/arenas with corporate names and such. What counts today is being the best at whatever. The competition is at it's highest and that means that more and more people are vying for those positions. Any little thing that helps accomplish this will be done. These days, even in NASCAR, there are weight training programs year around to help keep the athletes in tip top shape year around. In the old days, the guys might not have even used weight training because they were at the top already. When it was time to say goodbye to the sport, they did so willingly. Again, not so today and we all know why.

 

[Benevolent One]

I have a real hard time with people who say that they should erase all of the records of players who used steroids or HGH. And here is partly why..

1. In the absence of an actual positive drug test there is really no way to prove who is actually guilty. Many people call Barry Bonds a cheater. There is a lot of "evidence" that says he might be guilty, but in the end he has been tested more than any other athlete and has never, ever had even one failed drug test. In my mind Roger Clemens seems like a perfect example of a guy who seems like a steroid or HGH user. Clemens' body and in particular his head is much bigger than it was when he pitched in Boston many years ago. He also seemed to pitch much better after he left Boston than he did while he was there and he was much older. How many pitchers get that much better when they get that much older and fatter? That being said (and while I admitted can't stand Clemens) he has never tested positive either. The problem here of course, is that we will never know every player that was using this stuff. Everyone says how great it is that Ken Griffey Jr is doing what he is doing without the benefit of steroids. How do we really know? How about Alex Rodriguez? He is on pace to break almost every hitting record there ever was. Jose Canseco says that he knows for a fact that A-Rod is a user, but they haven't caught him yet.


2. How do we know how many other players there are who cheated, particularly those who played against these alleged cheaters. If Bonds was hitting homers while juiced up and he was hitting them against pitchers who were juiced up, where was his advantage? The same with Roger pitching to juiced hitters.

3. I'm also of the opinion that players have been using performance enhancing drugs for a whole lot longer that 20 years. How do we know what Mickey Mantle, Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb (who were certainly no choir boys) were doing to improve their performance? When Kurt Gibson came off the bench to hit a pinch-hit home run that turned the World Series in the Dodgers favor he was so shot up on pain medication for his knee injury that he could barely circle the bases. If it hadn't been for those drugs he would have missed the game entirely as he wouldn't have even been able to get in the batter's box. And if you think about it, shouldn't all of the players who have been able to play better (or even play at all) because of these medications or even surgical procedures have some kind of asterisk saying that they had an unfair advantage over the real old timers if we use the same logic?