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SpeedPagan

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How come we haven't seen another Stock Car racing series rise up and challenge NASCAR? I mean right now, a large portion of NASCAR fans are fed up with the way Sprint Cup is being handled. The Chase, COT, the cookie cutter tracks, etc. IMHO, this would be the PERFECT time for another stock car racing league to rise up and show NASCAR how it's done.

I would love to see a true stock car racing series that competes with NASCAR and shows Brian Frances and the NASCAR board members how it's done.

Thoughts?
 
I'm glad that I have got nhra and indy car racing to fall back on when nascar turns out the lights and closes the doors. Because I just don't see any way nascar can survive with so many fans on this forum so unhappy.:(
 
I know everybody considers them "minor leagues" which is far from true, but the Dirt Late Model series are starting to get really big on TV and with race fans. As well as the ASA series and CRA series on asphalt. They are racing the way it oughta be. The teams actually need to run well to stay on the road. Not to mention a lot of people can connect with the drivers being as alot of them still work 40 hour a week jobs or farm and then race on the weekends. It aint strictly stock or anything but at least the rule books are a whole lot smaller and you get to see more drivers that are truly the best in the country. Just because they don't have million dollar sponsors to race in the top 3 tiers doesn't mean they aren't the best. IMO
 
Someone please tell me this isn't the same Kyle Busch.....:mad:
 

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How could another league be competitive with Nascar? First off to be any type of competition they need a tv deal for every race. They need sponsorship to help run the series. And they need big name drivers that make people want to watch them. Now if something happends like what happend when the IRL/CART split then yes there would be two differant series. It could make racing more interesting if Nascar doesnt have everything monopolized the way it is now. They can pretty much make any rule they want and teams cant do crap because there is no other telivised series to turn to. On the other hand what if it completly destroys the credability of both series like it did to Open Wheel racing. What would happen if the raced at the same time and one race had say Kyle Busch, Dale Jr, JJ, and Tony Stewart while the other series had Jeff Gordon, Carl Edwards, Denny Hamlin, and Mark Martin?
 
I've wondered from time to time over the years why someone hasn't challenged Nascar and believe that if you offer better racing and you'll have a TV deal soon enough.

The issue is with getting big name drivers from the outset as they're most likely going where the money is...Nascar.

I've also pondered why the drivers haven't formed an association to deal with Nascar and their my way or the highway attitude.

If the drivers dont like plate racing, get together and refuse to race with plates.
 
NASCAR is a monopoly that will never be challenged. It would take a network itself with a lot of sponsorship dollars to challenge NASCAR. Tony George formed the Indy car series and it strugled a few years until it took racers from CART and about ran it into the ground before they merged. They did it by taking open wheel racing a little ways back to what the fans really liked in open wheel racing.

A few have tried to start new leagues. A group of folks including Cale Yarbourough tried to start a new series, having teams based in different cities like franchises. Never got a leg up. I think Bruton Smith also tried to get a new league started back when he was gobbling up all the tracks for sale. Knowing him though, it was probrably in a attempt to grab NASCAR by the hoo yahs and get what he wanted.

Something needs to be done, and I think the first thing is to get rid of france, and let someone like say Rusty Wallace or Bill Elliott run the company. I thought the made a step in right direction with the have at it and the new body styles and point systems. But taking races away from IRP seems to not settle well with real racing fans and looks like NASCAR is stepping back in wrong direction again. I still watch by habit, but am disapointed in the continued downward spiral the sport seems to be going.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Someone please tell me this isn't the same Kyle Busch.....:mad:
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They book a big name driver like Kyle and watch the attendance grow for that race. Or maybe he ran that race just because he knew it would piss you off.:)
 
Nitro Dude said:
I'm glad that I have got nhra and indy car racing to fall back on when nascar turns out the lights and closes the doors. Because I just don't see any way nascar can survive with so many fans on this forum so unhappy.:(
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I don't know about the NHRA but the IZOD Indy Car Series doesn't exactly seem to be flourishing. They have no major television network that seems to want to back them at all. ESPN has pretty much given up on them. Heck they are only signed to something like five races a year and the rest have been thrown onto Versus. The racing may be good but people just aren't tuning in.

NASCAR..... While the viewer numbers are still down to what they were a few years back, they seem to be turning that around. At the same time though, FOX is talking about moving some of their races to SPEED. It seems that NASCAR may follow in the Indy Car Series footsteps. I guess time will tell.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I don't know about the NHRA but the IZOD Indy Car Series doesn't exactly seem to be flourishing. They have no major television network that seems to want to back them at all. ESPN has pretty much given up on them. Heck they are only signed to something like five races a year and the rest have been thrown onto Versus. The racing may be good but people just aren't tuning in.

NASCAR..... While the viewer numbers are still down to what they were a few years back, they seem to be turning that around. At the same time though, FOX is talking about moving some of their races to SPEED. It seems that NASCAR may follow in the Indy Car Series footsteps. I guess time will tell.
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What happened in the Indy Car series? :confused:
 
SpeedPagan said:
What happened in the Indy Car series? :confused:
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What happened in the Indycar series? really? Aside from a looong decline as a result of the CART split from 95, the switch over to Vs for TV coverage except for a few races on other networks. They seem to be going in the right direction, but for the last few years it appeared that they could die at any second.
 
VaDirt said:
What happened in the Indycar series? really? Aside from a looong decline as a result of the CART split from 95, the switch over to Vs for TV coverage except for a few races on other networks. They seem to be going in the right direction, but for the last few years it appeared that they could die at any second.
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Hey, I don't watch all forms of racing. I just like the kind of racing where you can have alittle bit of rubbin' and it won't take your car out for the rest of the race. :p
 
VaDirt said:
What happened in the Indycar series? really? Aside from a looong decline as a result of the CART split from 95, the switch over to Vs for TV coverage except for a few races on other networks. They seem to be going in the right direction, but for the last few years it appeared that they could die at any second.
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According to a certain "media critic", VS is the death of the IZOD IndyCar Series and they would be thriving on any other network (even though every other network, including SPEED, turned them down).



NHRA pays ESPN to televise their races.
 
Nitro Dude said:
They book a big name driver like Kyle and watch the attendance grow for that race. Or maybe he ran that race just because he knew it would piss you off.:)
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Or it's more like: Several CRA events pay very well to win, so Kyle runs them.

Unfortunately, if you run a stock car race and the purse is pretty large, the Cup drivers will show up.
 
basscatcher89 said:
I know everybody considers them "minor leagues" which is far from true, but the Dirt Late Model series are starting to get really big on TV and with race fans. As well as the ASA series and CRA series on asphalt. They are racing the way it oughta be. The teams actually need to run well to stay on the road. Not to mention a lot of people can connect with the drivers being as alot of them still work 40 hour a week jobs or farm and then race on the weekends. It aint strictly stock or anything but at least the rule books are a whole lot smaller and you get to see more drivers that are truly the best in the country. Just because they don't have million dollar sponsors to race in the top 3 tiers doesn't mean they aren't the best. IMO
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The dirt late model people (World of Outlaws, Lucas Oil) need to run far away from SPEED. It looks like there's something to build on with CBS and, possibly, NBC/VS.
 
Don't know if you would consider these stock cars, but in 2012 we'll be able to watch V8 Supercars race on the new F1 track in Austin, Tx. What I have seen if your a lover of road courses and full bodied cars then V8 Supercar is your huckleberry.

One of the reasons I think NA$CAR is loosing the younger/newer fans is technology. We all live in this new technical age and NA$CAR refuses to come along with us. I always thought racing was about who could take what you have and build a faster car than your competitors, well NA$CAR doesn't do this any more. It used to be racing pushed the auto builders to builder sleeker cars to keep up with auto racing and it still does in Europe but no longer in the US because NA$CAR wont get aboard.

If NA$CAR is going to run spek cars why not use every once of the latest technology like they do in F1? F1 doesn't have a "Chase " and they sell out every venue and boast they have the best drivers in the world.
 
ASA Midwest Tour is getting good car counts, just not sure about the competition level.

CRA's never going to succeed outside the midwest... UARA, PASS and K&N Pro Series are the best shows on asphalt on the east right now.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
ASA Midwest Tour is getting good car counts, just not sure about the competition level.

CRA's never going to succeed outside the midwest... UARA, PASS and K&N Pro Series are the best shows on asphalt on the east right now.
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The K&N Pro Series probably has the best chance of growing large enough to challenge the Sprint Cup racing. However, they're still under the NASCAR banner, so that'll be difficult.
 
SpeedPagan said:
The K&N Pro Series probably has the best chance of growing large enough to challenge the Sprint Cup racing. However, they're still under the NASCAR banner, so that'll be difficult.
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Yep. When NASCAR finds that series getting large numbers, they'll put it on the superspeedways and the Cup drivers will invade that as well.


ARCA had a chance, ARCA management blew it.
 
basscatcher89 said:
Cascar folded a few years back NASCAR bought them up and they are the Nascar Canadian Tire Series now.
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Yeah they had some awesome races back when they were "Cascar" but I haven't seen any races since then. They came on Speed back in the day but I guess they are only shown in Canada now?
 
SPEED is the other problem. They are the NASCAR network, NASCAR takes priority over everything.

Hell, they've cut out of live races for NASCAR bulletins before. If any series wants to succeed against NASCAR, they're going to have to look at other networks.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
SPEED is the other problem. They are the NASCAR network, NASCAR takes priority over everything.

Hell, they've cut out of live races for NASCAR bulletins before. If any series wants to succeed against NASCAR, they're going to have to look at other networks.
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They should look at networks like NBC/ABC. Not everyone has Speed, and ABC/NBC has a wider range of audience than Speed does.
 
SpeedPagan said:
They should look at networks like NBC/ABC. Not everyone has Speed, and ABC/NBC has a wider range of audience than Speed does.
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They'll need cable to grow.

SPEED collects money from all the other racing divisions to air their races. Since SPEED already has the profit, they don't need to promote the races and build an audience and they don't.

SPEED cares about NASCAR, NASCAR owned Grand-Am, AMA and F1.

Everyone else is leaving SPEED and going to CBS, ESPN and NBC/VS.
 
Honestly if I had the money. I'd create a Nationwide Street Stock Racing League. It would be a touring series that'd race at tracks like Rockingham, N. Wilkesboro, and stay primarily in the Southeast with one or two races in other parts of the country.

I would work with car manufacturers for a racing package for their production cars to use in the series. That way, a Ford, is a ****ing FORD!

No Chase, No Phantom Debris or Competition Caution, No G-W-C either, mainly because it just creates too many wrecks on the last three laps. It was a good idea at one time, but now it's just awful.

Races would be no longer than 300 miles, and I would actually keep the point system for the Sprint Cup. One of the few things they've gotten right lately.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Honestly if I had the money. I'd create a Nationwide Street Stock Racing League. It would be a touring series that'd race at tracks like Rockingham, N. Wilkesboro, and stay primarily in the Southeast with one or two races in other parts of the country.

I would work with car manufacturers for a racing package for their production cars to use in the series. That way, a Ford, is a ****ing FORD!

No Chase, No Phantom Debris or Competition Caution, No G-W-C either, mainly because it just creates too many wrecks on the last three laps. It was a good idea at one time, but now it's just awful.

Races would be no longer than 300 miles, and I would actually keep the point system for the Sprint Cup. One of the few things they've gotten right lately.
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You have some great ideas.

The only thing I differ with you is the GWCs. I don't want to see a race to ever finish under caution, no matter how many additional GWCs or laps it takes to get there. When's the last time we saw 3 GWCs in CUP, anyways? Maybe it has happened recently and I'm just forgetting about it. Nevertheless, it seems, races with 3 GWCS to finish a race are far and few between.
 
Actually, I disagree with the GWC concept. The change I would make in that department is this: Caution laps are not counted dring the last ten laps of the race (which can be adjsuted based on the size of the track). If the last handful of laps were stopped being counted near the end of the race, no need for the mythical GWC finish, it would always finish under green.
 
VaDirt said:
Actually, I disagree with the GWC concept. The change I would make in that department is this: Caution laps are not counted dring the last ten laps of the race (which can be adjsuted based on the size of the track). If the last handful of laps were stopped being counted near the end of the race, no need for the mythical GWC finish, it would always finish under green.
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So, instead of a two lap shootout, you are suggesting a one lap shootout, meaning the waving of the green and white flags simutaneously? Otherwise, I see no difference.
I could live with this if it were to occur on the 3rd GWC.

Ok, VaDirt. I read you're post a third time. I see what you're saying. Gotcha.
 
nascage said:
So, instead of a two lap shootout, you are suggesting a one lap shootout, meaning the waving of the green and white flags simutaneously? Otherwise, I see no difference.
I could live with this if it were to occur on the 3rd GWC.
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No, here's the thing. Right now, a yellow flag comes out with, say, 5 laps left. What do they do? The wait until 2 laps are left, and use the green white checker. The get a lap in, the cars roll around under yellow another three laps, and they do another GWC. With laps not counting and a caution come out, guess how many laps are left? Yup, 5. Same thing if a caution comes out with three or two.
 
VaDirt said:
No, here's the thing. Right now, a yellow flag comes out with, say, 5 laps left. What do they do? The wait until 2 laps are left, and use the green white checker. The get a lap in, the cars roll around under yellow another three laps, and they do another GWC. With laps not counting and a caution come out, guess how many laps are left? Yup, 5. Same thing if a caution comes out with three or two.
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I just edited my post. I see what you're saying. I like the idea. Maybe with a rule like this, with 5 laps to go, we can eliminate those huge pile-ups at the plate tracks at the end when the field would have a longer time to get strung out.

Maybe.
 
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